Myanmar Defence Forum

[Tagaung]

Why are Bamars and other Buddhist groups against the army when the army protects the Bamars and other Buddhist groups.

If there is democracy in Myanmar, Bamars and other Buddhist groups will become minorities in the near future and will be dominated by Rohingyas and other non buddhist groups.

Democracy in Myanmar is a threat to Bamars and other Buddhist groups.

@Aung Zaya @tarpitz @Tagaung @MINN

WTF, are you an idiot?

Democracy means more transparency and more transparency means less corruption.

it has nothing to do with non-buddhist groups. And why would we hate non-Buddhist groups. They are our friends, neighbors, colleagues, and sometimes even relatives.

Our civil war has nothing to do with religion. A lot of armed rebel groups are Buddhist, too. It has to do with leaving the Union of Myanmar. That we cannot stand.



Just a piece of advice, kindly given.


This is an old sutra from old Buddhist texts.
A long time ago, there is a man who wore Buddhist monk clothes and tells people he is a monk to receive donations. But he didn't behave like a monk and didn't perform monastic duties.
When Buddha saw this and told his disciples that he is not a monk even though he is wearing monk robes and believes himself he is a monk. He is just a man in monk robes.

If you don't practice, observe, and abide by Buddhist principles, you are just a guy with a mistaken Buddhist identity.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

WTF, are you an idiot?

Democracy means more transparency and more transparency means less corruption.

it has nothing to do with non-buddhist groups. And why would we hate non-Buddhist groups. They are our friends, neighbors, colleagues, and sometimes even relatives.

Our civil war has nothing to do with religion. A lot of armed rebel groups are Buddhist, too. It has to do with leaving the Union of Myanmar. That we cannot stand.



Just a piece of advice, kindly given.


This is an old sutra from old Buddhist texts.
A long time ago, there is a man who wore Buddhist monk clothes and tells people he is a monk to receive donations. But he didn't behave like a monk and didn't perform monastic duties.
When Buddha saw this and told his disciples that he is not a monk even though he is wearing monk robes and believes himself he is a monk. He is just a man in monk robes.

If you don't practice, observe, and abide by Buddhist principles, you are just a guy with a mistaken Buddhist identity.

Good luck with that. One day Rohingyas will become majority in Myanmar and will impose their culture and values on you and your children. The rate at which they produce children, Buddhists will soon become a minority in Myanmar. It is the army who is protecting you people from being dominated by Rohingyas.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Glad we threat your kind badly. You deserve no mercy.

Dude every muslim country legally protects the muslim majority and makes sure that minorities do not overpower them. That's why you have Islam as state religion in many muslim countries. Therefore I see no reason why Buddhist countries cannot legally protect the interests of the Buddhist majority.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

there are already some test marks on that green pavement, indicating some rocket engine tests have been done before. This means, there are already some prototypes.

The test stand was build before 2014 according to Google Map imagery. There was nothing in 2004.

The Tatmadaw has tested rocket motor for a decade now. It is possible to see the scorch marks on the ground after each tests!

And that means the program should be completed or near completion.

Expect a ballistic missile launch or a satellite launch soon!

 

[Buddhistforlife]

The test stand was build before 2014 according to Google Map imagery. There was nothing in 2004.

The Tatmadaw has tested rocket motor for a decade now. It is possible to see the scorch marks on the ground after each tests!

And that means the program should be completed or near completion.

Expect a ballistic missile launch or a satellite launch soon!

Medium range or short range ballistic missile?

 

[X-ray Papa]

Dude every muslim country legally protects the muslim majority and makes sure that minorities do not overpower them. That's why you have Islam as state religion in many muslim countries. Therefore I see no reason why Buddhist countries cannot legally protect the interests of the Buddhist majority.

Then stop complaining about your treatment and ask your people to leave bangladesh ASAP.

 

[Tagaung]

Expect a ballistic missile launch or a satellite launch soon!

the satellite launch is not possible.
our country is not that advance.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

Medium range or short range ballistic missile?

the satellite launch is not possible.

our country is not that advance.

Remember Saddam Hussein?

As declared by Iraq, Al Abid, was a project to design and manufacture a space launcher capable of putting a 50 kg test satellite into orbit.

The design comprising 5 clustered modified Scud's for the first stage; another modified Scud for the second stage and a double-base propellant rocket for third stage.

That all it takes.

The Tatmadaw only needs to produce SCUDs.

There are of course more compact design.

Using a medium-range ballistic missile of ~1400 km range for the first stage, with a second stage having the performance of a SAM.

That is how North Korea and Iran launched their first satellite (though unsuccessful for North Korea due to the failure of the 3rd stage).

Iran only used 2 stages, while North Korea added a small solid propellant rocket motor as third stage.

A medium range ballistic missile is certainly feasible for the Tatmadaw.

We saw from the scorch marks left on the ground of the Ka Pa Sa 22 solid motor static test stand, that the rocket tested could have plumes measuring 25 meters, with a maximum length limited to ~50-60 meters due to the presence of vegetation.

And we are talking about solid propellant motors.

Meanwhile, it is likely that the Tatmadaw is also pursuing the development of liquid propellant engines.

Because it is the field studied by the students trained at Bauman Moscow State Technical University.

Unfortunately, no hint at where the vertical test stand used to develop liquid engine can be found on the internet.

Conclusion, expect two type of engines, and 2 type of rockets.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Remember Saddam Hussein?

As declared by Iraq, Al Abid, was a project to design and manufacture a space launcher capable of putting a 50 kg test satellite into orbit.

The design comprising 5 clustered modified Scud's for the first stage; another modified Scud for the second stage and a double-base propellant rocket for third stage.

That all it takes.

The Tatmadaw only needs to produce SCUDs.

There are of course more compact design.

Using a medium-range ballistic missile of ~1400 km range for the first stage, with a second stage having the performance of a SAM.

That is how North Korea and Iran launched their first satellite (though unsuccessful for North Korea due to the failure of the 3rd stage).

Iran only used 2 stages, while North Korea added a small solid propellant rocket motor as third stage.

A medium range ballistic missile is certainly feasible for the Tatmadaw.

We saw from the scorch marks left on the ground of the Ka Pa Sa 22 solid motor static test stand, that the rocket tested could have plumes measuring 25 meters, with a maximum length limited to ~50-60 meters due to the presence of vegetation.

And we are talking about solid propellant motors.

Meanwhile, it is likely that the Tatmadaw is also pursuing the development of liquid propellant engines.

Because it is the field studied by the students trained at Bauman Moscow State Technical University.

Unfortunately, no hint at where the vertical test stand used to develop liquid engine can be found on the internet.

Conclusion, expect two type of engines, and 2 type of rockets.

What about Intermediate range ballistic missile? Can Tatmadaw make intermediate range ballistic missiles?

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

What about Intermediate range ballistic missile? Can Tatmadaw make intermediate range ballistic missiles?

Most space powers usually follow an incremental step approach. That was the case of the U.S., the Soviet Union, France, Iran and North Korea.

IRBM with a range of 3'000–5'500 km are space launchers able to put 250 kg into LEO.

It is the second generation of space launcher.

But there are exception such as South Korea that is devoloping a space launcher of ICBM range, the KSLV-2. The previous one being a Russian one, and not being developed indigenously.

Another exception is the Republic of China, with its "Qilin Project” to both extend the range of the Yun Feng (雲峰) land attack cruise missile of about 1200-2000 kilometers, as well as to adapt it for satellite launch.

This vehicle will be capable of delivering satellites between 50 and 200 kilograms at a low earth orbit of around 500 kilometers.

A second project, is lead by the civilian Taiwan Innovative Space Inc. (TiSPACE), a private company.

The HAPITH V is a three stage orbital rocket in development from the HAPITH I with an approximate height of 20 m, a diameter of 2.2 m, and a first stage thrust of 650 kN. The target payload is 390 kg to LEO and 350 kg to SSO. It will be TiSPACE’s first commercial offering.

The HAPITH V has 100% domestically sourced components. The February 13rd 2020 launch of the 2nd stage only was scrubbed due to weather. Then came the COVID-19 pandemic.

Myanmar being part of an ancient powerful and rich Asian civilization can not do less.

That would be too disgraceful for the Tatmadaw.

Moreover, Chinese CZ-11 solid propellant rocket stages retrieved by the Tatmadaw when reverse engineered would be able to produce IRBM class launchers.

Discussions on the Chinese Military Forum CJDBY after the launch of a recent CZ-5 rocket, have stressed how the debris could reveal classified high tech technologies of China.

It is not "junk" as you once claimed.

These could spare 50 years of indigenous R&D to the Tatmadaw!

Check the below schematic, it explains how the incremental learning curve has lead Iran from borrowing SCUD missiles from Mohammar Ghaddafi during the Iran-Iraq War of 1980 – 1988, then retrieving space junks from Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine after the end of the Cold War, to the place of 5th space power in 4 decades, as claimed by the leaders!

There is no shame in retrieving others' leftover!

https://archive.is/niCBv/1b46bfd441a8861d35015804bb6929eadd54aa3d.jpg ; https://archive.is/niCBv/b8769c1002af4360e11c56fe07a0a578851eb78f/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210207121510/https://i.imgur.com/ynXfFpo.jpg
▲ 1. Iran's Sejil-3/Zoljanah family. 2021.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Most space powers usually follow an incremental step approach. That was the case of the U.S., the Soviet Union, France, Iran and North Korea.

IRBM with a range of 3'000–5'500 km are space launchers able to put 250 kg into LEO.

It is the second generation of space launcher.

But there are exception such as South Korea that is devoloping a space launcher of ICBM range, the KSLV-2. The previous one being a Russian one, and not being developed indigenously.

Another exception is the Republic of China, with its "Qilin Project” to both extend the range of the Yun Feng (雲峰) land attack cruise missile of about 1200-2000 kilometers, as well as to adapt it for satellite launch.

This vehicle will be capable of delivering satellites between 50 and 200 kilograms at a low earth orbit of around 500 kilometers.

A second project, is lead by the civilian Taiwan Innovative Space Inc. (TiSPACE), a private company.

The HAPITH V is a three stage orbital rocket in development from the HAPITH I with an approximate height of 20 m, a diameter of 2.2 m, and a first stage thrust of 650 kN. The target payload is 390 kg to LEO and 350 kg to SSO. It will be TiSPACE’s first commercial offering.

The HAPITH V has 100% domestically sourced components. The February 13rd 2020 launch of the 2nd stage only was scrubbed due to weather. Then came the COVID-19 pandemic.

Myanmar being part of an ancient powerful and rich Asian civilization can not do less.

That would be too disgraceful for the Tatmadaw.

Moreover, Chinese CZ-11 solid propellant rocket stages retrieved by the Tatmadaw when reverse engineered would be able to produce IRBM class launchers.

Discussions on the Chinese Military Forum CJDBY after the launch of a recent CZ-5 rocket, have stressed how the debris could reveal classified high tech technologies of China.

It is not "junk" as you once claimed.

These could spare 50 years of indigenous R&D to the Tatmadaw!

Check the below schematic, it explains how the incremental learning curve has lead Iran from borrowing SCUD missiles from Mohammar Ghaddafi during the Iran-Iraq War of 1980 – 1988, then retrieving space junks from Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine after the end of the Cold War, to the place of 5th space power in 4 decades, as claimed by the leaders!

There is no shame in retrieving others' leftover!

https://archive.is/niCBv/1b46bfd441a8861d35015804bb6929eadd54aa3d.jpg ; https://archive.is/niCBv/b8769c1002af4360e11c56fe07a0a578851eb78f/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210207121510/https://i.imgur.com/ynXfFpo.jpg
▲ 1. Iran's Sejil-3/Zoljanah family. 2021.

Why do you write long paragraph for small questions?

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

Why do you write long paragraph for small questions?

Galactic Penguin 's role in PDF is to educate the Pakistani readers.

Therefore answering any question by yes or no would be of no value.

Because the Pakistani readers must know why it is so, and the reasoning might take many steps, while avoiding the elitist mathematical and overly academic parts.

While there are simple questions, there is no simple answer. Because all angles must be inspected thoroughly and cross-checked until no contradiction can be found.

This is the way of the supreme truth.🕊

That is the opposite of trolls.

Because these know they are wrong from start, thus avoiding the demonstrations that would prove self-defeating, and always resorting invariably to clichés, personal attacks, exploitation of emotional, nationalistic, racial or religious sentiments.

Provocations, and diversions are also favored by these corrupters of everything.

As experienced educators, the goal is not to fool, nor coerced and blackmail.

We reason and analyze as we'll otherwise do for ourselves.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Galactic Penguin 's role in PDF is to educate the Pakistani readers.

Therefore answering any question by yes or no would be of no value.

Because the Pakistani readers must know why it is so, and the reasoning might take many steps, while avoiding the elitist mathematical and overly academic parts.

While there are simple questions, there is no simple answer. Because all angles must be inspected thoroughly and cross-checked until no contradiction can be found.

This is the way of the supreme truth.🕊

That is the opposite of trolls.

Because these know they are wrong from start, thus avoiding the demonstrations that would prove self-defeating, and always resorting invariably to clichés, personal attacks, exploitation of emotional, nationalistic, racial or religious sentiments.

Provocations, and diversions are also favored by these corrupters of everything.

As experienced educators, the goal is not to fool, nor coerced and blackmail.

We reason and analyze as we'll otherwise do for ourselves.

Myanmar cannot produce Intermediate range ballistic missiles. They will have to buy them from China like Saudi Arabia who brought DF-3 from China.

But yes Tatmadaw can follow Iranian model and produce medium range ballistic missile, it is quite feasible and achievable.

 

[Galactic Penguin SST]

Myanmar cannot produce Intermediate range ballistic missiles. They will have to buy them from China like Saudi Arabia who brought DF-3 from China.


But yes Tatmadaw can follow Iranian model and produce medium range ballistic missile, it is quite feasible and achievable.

Burmese people are too advanced, what a silly idea to compare with the Westerners.

Burmese were already launching rockets since the 13th century, when the Arabs were still launching arrows.

Watch these 13th century traditional bamboo rockets!

https://archive.is/AkPSc/4d559610566d5a89fd7678f951cd8f0713ef1f49.jpg ; https://archive.is/AkPSc/5ae3d180d10fc11b9043550ad473c886ada21dc6/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20200831.../83393f30e924b8994da42d7d63061d950b7bf6d9.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20200831054610/https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5957774508?red_tag=2077305079 ; https://archive.vn/LvnVt
▲ 1. Traditional 13th century Pa'O rocket, with range up to 10 km (6 miles) during the pwe lu-phaing (Fire Rocket Festival), celebrated from April to July.
The Pa'O settled in the Thaton region of present-day Myanmar around 1000 B.C. 缅甸勃欧人放火箭/高升图.

Check also the annual fire balloon festival part of Tazaungdaing, the buddhist full moon also known as the light festival. It’s considered to be one of the most dangerous festival in Myanmar: it’s the Myanmar Hot Air Balloon Festival which is held in Taunggyi, in Shan State every year at the end of November.

Taunggyi Balloon Festival 2016-11-14 Beautiful Moments
15,364 views•Jan 21, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCUeLn3jgc

And you want the Tatmadaw to beg for DF-3? This reminds one of the Northmen that told Mao Tse Tung in the 1950s China should be turned into an agricultural province, and not become an industrialized powerhouse!

Or the western self-styled experts that predicted in 2017 North Korea would need 10 years to produce a first ICBM!

This, when we already know that the ultimate goal of Nay Pyi Taw is a full fledged satellite carrier, able to put no less than hundred of kg into LEO -without excluding payload of several 1'000 of kg.

General Min Aung Hlaing will never allow the Europeans to reduce once again Myanmar into a banana republic failed state, to enslave the Burmese people, and plunder its Rare Earth mineral as they would do with any African nation!

https://archive.vn/27u5f/75a24b187899c12c98f13b315a420ebbeefe5e97.jpg ; https://archive.vn/27u5f/d0b1b4d641315feda69bac3f253ed2fcc2bfa577/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20200902055006/https://i.imgur.com/HpK4HMy.jpg
▲ 2. Artistic representation of the first Burmese Space Launcher. 2020.

If you have any doubt, go and visit the Shwedagon Pagoda that was constructed more than 2'600 years ago. It gives one the impression of being in the Temple of Heaven in Beijing.

Persia is also full of such architectural marvels, thus producing the same rate of great persons in their holly cities.

Then you would understand why one can never bow to the puny ethnic Europeans.

The Moon is no limit for the Asian Great Civilizations.

https://archive.is/lonDF/362e3bf6092fe9feed363755b2d30f1a5c2d4ccb.jpg ; https://archive.is/lonDF/4cc22c96d35c4a424ce80e21c4d753549117fda1/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210208125731/https://i.imgur.com/u5CZAu5.jpg
▲ 3. Iran's Sarir-2 lunar lander SLV VS the U.S. Atlas Agena SLV. 2021.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Burmese people are too advanced, what a silly idea to compare with the Westerners.

Burmese were already launching rockets since the 13th century, when the Arabs were still launching arrows.

Watch these 13th century traditional bamboo rockets!

https://archive.is/AkPSc/4d559610566d5a89fd7678f951cd8f0713ef1f49.jpg ; https://archive.is/AkPSc/5ae3d180d10fc11b9043550ad473c886ada21dc6/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20200831054232/https://imgsa.baidu.com/forum/w=580/sign=b38970aaa4ec8a13141a57e8c7029157/83393f30e924b8994da42d7d63061d950b7bf6d9.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20200831054610/https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5957774508?red_tag=2077305079 ; https://archive.vn/LvnVt
▲ 1. Traditional 13th century Pa'O rocket, with range up to 10 km (6 miles) during the pwe lu-phaing (Fire Rocket Festival), celebrated from April to July.
The Pa'O settled in the Thaton region of present-day Myanmar around 1000 B.C. 缅甸勃欧人放火箭/高升图.

Check also the annual fire balloon festival part of Tazaungdaing, the buddhist full moon also known as the light festival. It’s considered to be one of the most dangerous festival in Myanmar: it’s the Myanmar Hot Air Balloon Festival which is held in Taunggyi, in Shan State every year at the end of November.

Taunggyi Balloon Festival 2016-11-14 Beautiful Moments
15,364 views•Jan 21, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCUeLn3jgc

And you want the Tatmadaw to beg for DF-3? This reminds one of the Northmen that told Mao Tse Tung in the 1950s China should be turned into an agricultural province, and not become an industrialized powerhouse!

Or the western self-styled experts that predicted in 2017 North Korea would need 10 years to produce a first ICBM!

This, when we already know that the ultimate goal of Nay Pyi Taw is a full fledged satellite carrier, able to put no less than hundred of kg into LEO -without excluding payload of several 1'000 of kg.

General Min Aung Hlaing will never allow the Europeans to reduce once again Myanmar into a banana republic failed state, to enslave the Burmese people, and plunder its Rare Earth mineral as they would do with any African nation!

https://archive.vn/27u5f/75a24b187899c12c98f13b315a420ebbeefe5e97.jpg ; https://archive.vn/27u5f/d0b1b4d641315feda69bac3f253ed2fcc2bfa577/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20200902055006/https://i.imgur.com/HpK4HMy.jpg
▲ 2. Artistic representation of the first Burmese Space Launcher. 2020.

If you have any doubt, go and visit the Shwedagon Pagoda that was constructed more than 2'600 years ago. It gives one the impression of being in the Temple of Heaven in Beijing.

Persia is also full of such architectural marvels, thus producing the same rate of great persons in their holly cities.

Then you would understand why one can never bow to the puny ethnic Europeans.

The Moon is no limit for the Asian Great Civilizations.

https://archive.is/lonDF/362e3bf6092fe9feed363755b2d30f1a5c2d4ccb.jpg ; https://archive.is/lonDF/4cc22c96d35c4a424ce80e21c4d753549117fda1/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210208125731/https://i.imgur.com/u5CZAu5.jpg
▲ 3. Iran's Sarir-2 lunar lander SLV VS the U.S. Atlas Agena SLV. 2021.

We are not living in the 13th century bro. IRBM requires technical skills and money which the Burmese army lacks in.

The only option is to purchase it from China/Russia.

Medium ranged ballistic missiles are enough. Iran has hundreds of them and Iran's neighbours fears them for their missiles.