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Myanmar And Bangladesh In US’ China-Containment Strategy – Analysis

Bangladesh is no US pawn and Insha-Allah never will be one. We are good friends, that is all. We have interest in joining ASEAN and reduce Indian influence in this region. If US can help us with that we should side with the US, if China can help us more for our above goals, then we should side with China. It is pure business onlee. No hard feelings.

For the moment it seems the idiots in charge of creating geopolitical strategies in US state dept. have decided to work with India in the region, which will be suicidal for the US in my opinion, but they never were a very bright bunch of people, looking at the track record. So my inclination and recommendation for Bangladesh now is to lean towards China rather than the US, as it seems that with this level of competence in strategic affairs, the US will eventually be defeated globally by China.
My friend, never ever underestimate US Think Tank abilities. They think 50 - 100 years ahead of us.

When US gives importance to a country, it does so with strong reasons.

India is important to US interests because it is a big country and rival of China in natural sense. India is also an important business partner. In short; India is too big of a regional player to be ignored.

However, US radar is not focused on India only.

US have started to realize the importance of Bangladesh as well. This is a good sign because this indicates that US will not support Indian hegemonic designs in Bangladesh. Believe me! US have brought your nation to spotlight. And when US does this, then this can open avenues for lot of investment in the target country.

Bangla-US relationship is independent from Indo-US relationship. Indians feel insecure by this possibility and will scare you guys. So make your decisions (independent of Indian scaremongering) and wisely.

If Indians think that US will always toe their line, they are sadly mistaken. US understands India very well.
 
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My friend, never ever underestimate US Think Tank abilities. They think 50 - 100 years ahead of us.

When US gives importance to a country, it does so with strong reasons.

India is important to US interests because it is a big country and rival of China in natural sense. India is also an important business partner. In short; India is too big of a regional player to be ignored.

However, US radar is not focused on India only.

US have started to realize the importance of Bangladesh as well. This is a good sign because this indicates that US will not support Indian hegemonic designs in Bangladesh. Believe me! US have brought your nation to spotlight. And when US does this, then this can open avenues for lot of investment in the target country.

Bangla-US relationship is independent from Indo-US relationship. Indians feel insecure by this possibility and will scare you guys. So make your decisions (independent of Indian scaremongering) and wisely.

If Indians think that US will always toe their line, they are sadly mistaken. US understands India very well.

Legend, my friend, I have spent most of my adult life in the US, so I have a pretty good idea about my adopted country. Let me tell you that they are clueless, at least in my eyes. Please read this thread in full, then we can discuss further:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/164048-kalu_miahs-new-world-order-road-map-future.html
 
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First of all South Asia Analysis Group (SAAG) is very well known RAW arm for propaganda analysis and should be treated as such. Indians like before will take every opportunity to sabotage Bangladesh eastward connectivity and close relation.

Connectivity with Myanmar and then to ASEAN and China is part of Bangladesh “Look East” policy that was undertook during last BNP govt. India played its part to sabotage the initiative and indo-Awami think tanks played their part against it. In fact one such Indian influenced so called “think tank” Policy Research Institute (PRI) just brought to life to paddle connectivity agenda with india.

But this time things are bit different, given current geo political environment in South-East and East Asia, US has special interest in Myanmar and Bangladesh is sitting at the crossroad. This time, US and Bangladesh interests (without going into detail) are converging on connectivity with Myanmar, ASEAN and even China and on growth of trade in the region.




From the US ambassador statement its clear, US like to see Bangladesh get connected to China. US interest and strategy is not one dimensional as Indians are trying to propagate. There are US business and trade interest in it. Bangladesh is no way fall within US “China containment” template; india unfortunately does. But Indians are clearly trying to label Bangladesh is in anti China camp to stroke Chinese thinking and perhaps action against Bangladesh interest. But China is far smarter and has their eyes and ears and can see through their own interest on their own. China has different level of understanding with US and US-China strategic dialogue held recently bare marks on such evolving understanding.

Here is a sample of it:
Exclusive: U.S. lets China bypass Wall Street for Treasury orders | Reuters

India will try best to use its Awami stooges to keep Bangladesh from any eastward connectivity. Indians used ESCAP and Awami stooges (Kibria, Rahmatullah type) to change Asian highway route. Just couple days ago Policy Research Institute (PRI) came out of hibernation to paddle indian connectivity agenda; just in line with Indian propaganda and sabotage plan. Anisul Islam Mahmud and Rahmatullah and folks were in the PRI conference are well known Indian cohorts in Bangladesh.

Infrastructure dev must to raise regional trade

This time one can expect India will go even extreme like

• Try to label Bangladesh is in anti China camp.
• Try to promote animosity with Myanmar.
• Lobbying to change US Ambassador and policy in Washington.
• Stage terrorism inside Bangladesh and Myanmar.
• Stage arms and drug scandal.
• And what not ….

All these nefarious indian acts will be to pursue US, Myanmar and China to back off from Bangladesh connectivity. SAAG and Policy Research Institute (PRI) are just mouth piece of these Indian agenda. While Awami League regime will be following indian instructions, for our own interest we need to be aware of indian deception and lie.

As predicted on 23rd of May 2012, india is moving quickly with its plan to stir and stage incidents of terror and otherwise that will put road blocks in strengthening Bangladesh Myanmar relation and pending connectivity.

1) May27th, 2012: Indian PM, Manmohan Singh visited Myanmar. And immediately after that on

2) May 31st, 2012: India already ran propaganda story on US 7th fleet.
3) June 8, 2012: Now it looks like india moving fast in stirring and staging trouble in Bangladesh-Myanmar boarder where ethnic groups spread across boundaries. There is already reported tension with Rakhine community and Bangladesh law enforcement already taken steps to defuse it.

Report in Bangla:
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Although report did not have any reference of india there is no telling that indian RAW has long standing relation with Myanmar militant groups and as predicted india will use these rogue connections to stir and stage incident like these.
 
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As predicted on 23rd of May 2012, india is moving quickly with its plan to stir and stage incidents of terror and otherwise that will put road blocks in strengthening Bangladesh Myanmar relation and pending connectivity.

1) May27th, 2012: Indian PM, Manmohan Singh visited Myanmar. And immediately after that on

2) May 31st, 2012: India already ran propaganda story on US 7th fleet.
3) June 8, 2012: Now it looks like india moving fast in stirring and staging trouble in Bangladesh-Myanmar boarder where ethnic groups spread across boundaries. There is already reported tension with Rakhine community and Bangladesh law enforcement already taken steps to defuse it.

Report in Bangla:
????????? ??????????? ?????? ?????? ????, ?????? ???????? ??????? :: ????? ????? :: ???????? ?????

Although report did not have any reference of india there is no telling that indian RAW has long standing relation with Myanmar militant groups and as predicted india will use these rogue connections to stir and stage incident like these.

I read the entire article. Excellent analysis of events in above post. The Muslim Rohingya and Buddhist Rakhine fault-line has been used in the past by Imperial powers (British and Japanese), it is now being used by India to affect Myanmar-Bangladesh relations. We need to find a way to accommodate Myanmar concerns about Rohingya issue. Let us discuss how Bangladesh can resolve this issue so it no longer affects the building of a strong foundation for a sound future Myanmar-Bangladesh relations.
 
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This is reference reading to understand deep indian infiltration and involvement with Myanmar militant groups.


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Arakanese rebels freed from Indian jail

By Subir Bhaumik

KOLKATA - Thirteen years after they were detained on charges of gun-running, 34 separatist rebels from Myanmar's Arakan province walked free on Thursday from an Indian jail in Kolkata, bringing down the curtain on a murky episode involving alleged betrayal and abuse by Indian intelligence agents.

The National Unity Party of Arakan (NUPA) rebels were later in the day flown out to Delhi, where they will stay with the small Burmese community until they win asylum in third countries. "They will not be repatriated to Myanmar because they fear execution if sent back," said Indian human-rights activist Sujato Bhadro.

The 34 were among nearly 80 fighters and fishermen who set sail on two ships for the Andaman Islands from Thailand in February

1998. The Indian military had maintained that the Arakanese were arrested soon after the navy and the army launched "Operation Leech" to intercept gunrunners around the islands.
The NUPA rebels allege that when they arrived at the Andamans' Landfall Island they were at first promised sanctuary by then Indian military intelligence official Lieutenant Colonel B J S Grewal.

"Grewal took away six of our leaders, had them shot and put the rest of us in a prison," recalled Thein Oung Gyaw, one of the 34 recently released. "We were detained without trial in [the] Andamans for six years. No charge sheet was filed against us."

The NUPA alleges that their fighters were all framed on the gun-running charges by the Indian military, and at Grewal's behest. Among those killed by Indian troops was Khaing Raza, the NUPA's military wing chief.

Grewal left the Indian army soon after the incident and set up a bicycle parts manufacturing business near Yangon, Myanmar's old capital city. His family remains in a palatial mansion near Mohali in India's Punjab state, from where Grewal hails.

Though the rebels feel they were duped by Grewal, who allegedly fleeced them of nearly US$50,000 to help "get Indian support", Myanmar-watchers here believe it's unlikely that one official would have had the clout to get away with such an elaborate scheme on his own.

They believe the ploy was part of a broader strategy adopted by Delhi to win the confidence of the military junta in Yangon after years of supporting Myanmar's pro-democracy movement. Since then bilateral commercial ties have blossomed, with India securing several lucrative energy deals in Myanmar.



"In the 1980s and early 1990s, Indian intelligence adopted a conscious policy of developing close relations with rebel groups along its borders with [Myanmar],'' said Naba Kumar Singh, who heads the Myanmar studies in Manipur university in Northeast India.

''India's RAW [Research and Analysis Wing] supported the Kachins, the Chins and the Arakanese insurgents to neutralize its own northeastern militants along a long border but also to keep pressure on the [Myanmar] military regime. That changed in 1995," he says.

Once India decided to court the military junta, the Indian military started to crack down on the rebel groups it had once supported. The bases of the Chin National Front (CNF) in northeastern India's Mizoram and Manipur were raided and most of their fighters were forced to flee or were nabbed.


The Kachin Independence Army (KIA), which had received a huge consignment of weapons after its former chief Maran Brangsein visited Delhi twice and the chief of India's external intelligence RAW, were also told they could "no longer depend on Indian support".


The policy shift was controversial among the rank and file, many of whom had developed relations with rebel leaders. The RAW's late deputy chief B B Nandi actually offered to come to the defense of the 34 NUPA rebels in court because he felt they were victims of treachery.


Just before he died in Calcutta, he told this writer that he had opened the first parleys with the NUPA, the KIA and the CNF in an attempt to secure India's eastern borders with Myanmar from the "pernicious effects of insurgency, drug and weapons trade".

''These rebels served India's interest much better than [Myanmar's] military regime," Nandi told this writer.

The policy turning point came after the Indian army sought the help of their Myanmar counterparts to encircle a 200-strong column of three Indian rebel groups in April 1995. The rebels were heading for India's northeastern region after collecting a huge consignment of weapons at Wyakaung beach on the Chittagong-Arakan coast. In joint operations that came to be known as ''Ops Golden Duck'', Myanmar and Indian troops killed 38 and detained 118 rebels.

Ever since, the Indian army has pushed for a closer rapport with the Myanmar military. One former chief of India's eastern army, Lt-General H R S Kalkat, even told the BBC in a formal interview that India's Myanmar policy should be "better left to the army".

"We are soldiers and they are soldiers and our blood is thicker than the bloods of bureaucrats and politicians," he was quoted by the BBC as saying.

It's against that shifting backdrop that the NUPA rebels were killed and detained in 1998. Military officials summoned by a Calcutta court in the case at first refused to testify and later were reluctant to press the case when forced to take the stand.

However, pressure built up on the government to drop the charges once local media reports indicated that they had actually cooperated with Indian military to stop the movement of weapons and rebels from northeast India through the so-called Arakan corridor.

In July 2010, after failing to prove the gun-running charges with any evidence, India's Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) decided to reach a settlement. The plea bargain reached initially asked the rebels to pay a fine for illegal trespassing into Indian territory but the CBI later agreed to drop all charges.

The federal government has agreed not to extradite the group to Myanmar, as is normally done with foreign nationals against whom legal proceedings are dropped. ''It took us long to reach the settlement because we had to ensure the fighters are not sent back to [Myanmar]," said Soe Myint, a New Delhi-based Myanmar news editor who helped organize their defense.

Subir Bhaumik is chief of news operations at a leading Indian TV channel and a known specialist on Northeast India and Bangladesh. His book Troubled Periphery details Indian intelligence's connections with Burmese rebels until 1995.

Arakanese rebels freed from Indian jail ~ thupui

I read the entire article. Excellent analysis of events in above post. The Muslim Rohingya and Buddhist Rakhine fault-line has been used in the past by Imperial powers (British and Japanese), it is now being used by India to affect Myanmar-Bangladesh relations. We need to find a way to accommodate Myanmar concerns about Rohingya issue. Let us discuss how Bangladesh can resolve this issue so it no longer affects the building of a strong foundation for a sound future Myanmar-Bangladesh relations.


Bangladesh has to stop acting like victim and done away with demanding tone “Myanmar has to take back Rohinga”. In principal Myanmar need to take back Rohinga refugees but instead of demanding tone Bangladesh should offer to work with Myanmar and play constructive role in betterment of their life in Myanmar and support Myanmar govt maintain law and order. This way Bangladesh can promote trust and confidence building between two countries and also can solve Rohinga problem in the long term. How Bangladesh can do that? There are many tools available but question is do we have right leadership and mind to do the job?
 
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This is reference reading to understand deep indian infiltration and involvement with Myanmar militant groups.


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Bangladesh has to stop acting like victim and done away with demanding tone “Myanmar has to take back Rohinga”. In principal Myanmar need to take back Rohinga refugees but instead of demanding tone Bangladesh should offer to work with Myanmar and play constructive role in betterment of their life in Myanmar and support Myanmar govt maintain law and order. This way Bangladesh can promote trust and confidence building between two countries and also can solve Rohinga problem in the long term. How Bangladesh can do that? There are many tools available but question is do we have right leadership and mind to do the job?



The GoB is always meek with Burma. But, an enemy country does not respect a weak neighbour, and a good neighbour also becomes an enemy of a weak country. Throughout its existence BD is playing a mouse role with its two neighbours. It does not have a policy regarding Burma/Arakan.

It was Sk. Mujib who told straight to Ne Win (?) that his Liberation Army troops were waiting for a signal to make trouble with Burma if it does not take care of its Arakani citizens. Burmese govt started to behave properly. After 1947 Burma was in control of the both sides of Naaf Daria. EPR pushed them to the other side making Naaf an international river/sea channel. President Ayub Khan made a peace deal with Burma, but half the Naaf remained with east Pakistan.

But, here you are professing a miu miu Bangladesh that cannot say 'No' straight to Burma on its face. So, no doubt Burma will keep on giving us more trouble in the years ahead. It will not allow us to open its border to give us connection to China and ASEAN.

Instead of your miu miu policy BD must stand erect, inspire an Arakan rebellion, get concessions from Burma on the fate of Rohingyas and get connectivity. Arakani Mujahids are waiting for a support from BD. Burma cannot fight in many fronts that also include a BD-supported Arakan.

GoB should press the Rohingya issue with the Burmese govt for a considerable time and adopt a strong policy if needed.
 
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This is reference reading to understand deep indian infiltration and involvement with Myanmar militant groups.


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Arakanese rebels freed from Indian jail

By Subir Bhaumik

KOLKATA - Thirteen years after they were detained on charges of gun-running, 34 separatist rebels from Myanmar's Arakan province walked free on Thursday from an Indian jail in Kolkata, bringing down the curtain on a murky episode involving alleged betrayal and abuse by Indian intelligence agents.

The National Unity Party of Arakan (NUPA) rebels were later in the day flown out to Delhi, where they will stay with the small Burmese community until they win asylum in third countries. "They will not be repatriated to Myanmar because they fear execution if sent back," said Indian human-rights activist Sujato Bhadro.

The 34 were among nearly 80 fighters and fishermen who set sail on two ships for the Andaman Islands from Thailand in February

1998. The Indian military had maintained that the Arakanese were arrested soon after the navy and the army launched "Operation Leech" to intercept gunrunners around the islands.
The NUPA rebels allege that when they arrived at the Andamans' Landfall Island they were at first promised sanctuary by then Indian military intelligence official Lieutenant Colonel B J S Grewal.

"Grewal took away six of our leaders, had them shot and put the rest of us in a prison," recalled Thein Oung Gyaw, one of the 34 recently released. "We were detained without trial in [the] Andamans for six years. No charge sheet was filed against us."

The NUPA alleges that their fighters were all framed on the gun-running charges by the Indian military, and at Grewal's behest. Among those killed by Indian troops was Khaing Raza, the NUPA's military wing chief.

Grewal left the Indian army soon after the incident and set up a bicycle parts manufacturing business near Yangon, Myanmar's old capital city. His family remains in a palatial mansion near Mohali in India's Punjab state, from where Grewal hails.

Though the rebels feel they were duped by Grewal, who allegedly fleeced them of nearly US$50,000 to help "get Indian support", Myanmar-watchers here believe it's unlikely that one official would have had the clout to get away with such an elaborate scheme on his own.

They believe the ploy was part of a broader strategy adopted by Delhi to win the confidence of the military junta in Yangon after years of supporting Myanmar's pro-democracy movement. Since then bilateral commercial ties have blossomed, with India securing several lucrative energy deals in Myanmar.



"In the 1980s and early 1990s, Indian intelligence adopted a conscious policy of developing close relations with rebel groups along its borders with [Myanmar],'' said Naba Kumar Singh, who heads the Myanmar studies in Manipur university in Northeast India.

''India's RAW [Research and Analysis Wing] supported the Kachins, the Chins and the Arakanese insurgents to neutralize its own northeastern militants along a long border but also to keep pressure on the [Myanmar] military regime. That changed in 1995," he says.

Once India decided to court the military junta, the Indian military started to crack down on the rebel groups it had once supported. The bases of the Chin National Front (CNF) in northeastern India's Mizoram and Manipur were raided and most of their fighters were forced to flee or were nabbed.


The Kachin Independence Army (KIA), which had received a huge consignment of weapons after its former chief Maran Brangsein visited Delhi twice and the chief of India's external intelligence RAW, were also told they could "no longer depend on Indian support".


The policy shift was controversial among the rank and file, many of whom had developed relations with rebel leaders. The RAW's late deputy chief B B Nandi actually offered to come to the defense of the 34 NUPA rebels in court because he felt they were victims of treachery.


Just before he died in Calcutta, he told this writer that he had opened the first parleys with the NUPA, the KIA and the CNF in an attempt to secure India's eastern borders with Myanmar from the "pernicious effects of insurgency, drug and weapons trade".

''These rebels served India's interest much better than [Myanmar's] military regime," Nandi told this writer.

The policy turning point came after the Indian army sought the help of their Myanmar counterparts to encircle a 200-strong column of three Indian rebel groups in April 1995. The rebels were heading for India's northeastern region after collecting a huge consignment of weapons at Wyakaung beach on the Chittagong-Arakan coast. In joint operations that came to be known as ''Ops Golden Duck'', Myanmar and Indian troops killed 38 and detained 118 rebels.

Ever since, the Indian army has pushed for a closer rapport with the Myanmar military. One former chief of India's eastern army, Lt-General H R S Kalkat, even told the BBC in a formal interview that India's Myanmar policy should be "better left to the army".

"We are soldiers and they are soldiers and our blood is thicker than the bloods of bureaucrats and politicians," he was quoted by the BBC as saying.

It's against that shifting backdrop that the NUPA rebels were killed and detained in 1998. Military officials summoned by a Calcutta court in the case at first refused to testify and later were reluctant to press the case when forced to take the stand.

However, pressure built up on the government to drop the charges once local media reports indicated that they had actually cooperated with Indian military to stop the movement of weapons and rebels from northeast India through the so-called Arakan corridor.

In July 2010, after failing to prove the gun-running charges with any evidence, India's Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) decided to reach a settlement. The plea bargain reached initially asked the rebels to pay a fine for illegal trespassing into Indian territory but the CBI later agreed to drop all charges.

The federal government has agreed not to extradite the group to Myanmar, as is normally done with foreign nationals against whom legal proceedings are dropped. ''It took us long to reach the settlement because we had to ensure the fighters are not sent back to [Myanmar]," said Soe Myint, a New Delhi-based Myanmar news editor who helped organize their defense.

Subir Bhaumik is chief of news operations at a leading Indian TV channel and a known specialist on Northeast India and Bangladesh. His book Troubled Periphery details Indian intelligence's connections with Burmese rebels until 1995.

Arakanese rebels freed from Indian jail ~ thupui




Bangladesh has to stop acting like victim and done away with demanding tone “Myanmar has to take back Rohinga”. In principal Myanmar need to take back Rohinga refugees but instead of demanding tone Bangladesh should offer to work with Myanmar and play constructive role in betterment of their life in Myanmar and support Myanmar govt maintain law and order. This way Bangladesh can promote trust and confidence building between two countries and also can solve Rohinga problem in the long term. How Bangladesh can do that? There are many tools available but question is do we have right leadership and mind to do the job?

Excellent information on Indian policy shift in above article.

About your policy suggestion, I agree with it more or less. Essentially we need to work with them closely. We are stronger than them and we need to show that we are not a threat for them at all. I think India is pushing this line with them:

- these Bengal Muslims breed like rabbits and are getting into India also, just like they have infiltrated your land recently (post 1947) like these Rohingya's
- Myanmar need to keep them out at all cost and being hostile to them in all respects will help Myanmar cause, which is to keep them out

We need to counter this line with our own policy narrative:

- that we are neighbors and we will be like brothers
- we will listen to whatever concerns you have
- we will not press for repatriation of Rohingya's
- Rohingya's should be able to come and go as they please, if they feel threatened by law and order problems or rioting within Myanmar, but they should be given Myanmar passport and/or other photo ID's, so we can keep track of them, when they come in through the border
- we should recognize that these "backward" communities will have rioting and violence problems, so both Dhaka and Yangon will have to work with each other to solve and contain these localized law and order issues
- but main thrust of our relationship should be regional, which is that we need to connect to Myanmar road/rail network, so we can integrate with ASEAN Mekong Delta Sub-region
- both Myanmar and Bangladesh should approach ASEAN states and other stake holders like USA, China, Japan and South Korea to supervise and fund the integration of Bangladesh and Myanmar land links as well as economy, which will ensure an integration of Bangladesh economy with greater ASEAN economy
- India has a policy to box in Bangladesh and bypass Bangladesh to integrate Indian economy with ASEAN, we should have to no problem with the second part of the policy, which is that India should connect with ASEAN via Shiliguri corridor or by sea (not over Bangladesh land tranist/corridor), but of course we cannot agree with the first part of their policy, which is to use Myanmar to box in Bangladesh
- so we need to work with USA, China, ASEAN states, Japan and South Korea to reverse and eliminate this box-in policy of Bangladesh promoted by India in Myanmar, because only over land link in Myanmar can we truly connect and become integrated with all ASEAN states
 
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The GoB is always meek with Burma. But, an enemy country does not respect a weak neighbour, and a good neighbour also becomes an enemy of a weak country. Throughout its existence BD is playing a mouse role with its two neighbours. It does not have a policy regarding Burma/Arakan.

It was Sk. Mujib who told straight to Ne Win (?) that his Liberation Army troops were waiting for a signal to make trouble with Burma if it does not take care of its Arakani citizens. Burmese govt started to behave properly. After 1947 Burma was in control of the both sides of Naaf Daria. EPR pushed them to the other side making Naaf an international river/sea channel. President Ayub Khan made a peace deal with Burma, but half the Naaf remained with east Pakistan.

But, here you are professing a miu miu Bangladesh that cannot say 'No' straight to Burma on its face. So, no doubt Burma will keep on giving us more trouble in the years ahead. It will not allow us to open its border to give us connection to China and ASEAN.

Instead of your miu miu policy BD must stand erect, inspire an Arakan rebellion, get concessions from Burma on the fate of Rohingyas and get connectivity. Arakani Mujahids are waiting for a support from BD. Burma cannot fight in many fronts that also include a BD-supported Arakan.

GoB should press the Rohingya issue with the Burmese govt for a considerable time and adopt a strong policy if needed.

This is an absolute no-no. What you are suggesting will hurt Bangladeshi interest. Sheikh Mujib was a demagogue and an useful idiot for India. Try to see the big picture, you will understand why idune Bhai and myself are suggesting that we should work with Myanmar. This is not the time and age to support insurgency in another sovereign state. Would you suggest supporting insurgencies in Indian NE seven sister states? If not then please refrain from supporting insurgency in Myanmar.

There is no "Arakan", it used to be a historical state, we got half of it during Mughal days, which is our Chittagong now, the other half is the Rakhine state in Myanmar.
 
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This is an absolute no-no. What you are suggesting will hurt Bangladeshi interest. Sheikh Mujib was a demagogue and an useful idiot for India. Try to see the big picture, you will understand why idune Bhai and myself are suggesting that we should work with Myanmar. This is not the time and age to support insurgency in another sovereign state. Would you suggest supporting insurgencies in Indian NE seven sister states? If not then please refrain from supporting insurgency in Myanmar.

There is no "Arakan", it used to be a historical state, we got half of it during Mughal days, which is our Chittagong now, the other half is the Rakhine state in Myanmar.

Seeking a weak position has made Bangladesh the target of humiliation at the hands of Burma. Unless BD can give trouble to Burma, it will never respect BD and it will keep on denying any route to China. What good this MIU MIU policy of Bd has brought to us except that Burma keeps on pushing its Arakanese people towards BD and denying a route to China?

So, keep on with the gentlemanly behaviour with that country and they will keep on kicking our *** all the time. This has been happening since the last 40 years. So, how many years more do you guys want to continue this policy? A country should not talk from the position of weakness.

Our govt and military must sit together and write down an Arakan policy.
 
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This is an absolute no-no. What you are suggesting will hurt Bangladeshi interest. Sheikh Mujib was a demagogue and an useful idiot for India. Try to see the big picture, you will understand why idune Bhai and myself are suggesting that we should work with Myanmar. This is not the time and age to support insurgency in another sovereign state. Would you suggest supporting insurgencies in Indian NE seven sister states? If not then please refrain from supporting insurgency in Myanmar.

There is no "Arakan", it used to be a historical state, we got half of it during Mughal days, which is our Chittagong now, the other half is the Rakhine state in Myanmar.

You have to understand, we not only housed their Rohiyngia but also Rakhain. Even Chakmas were also chased out by Burmese and they settled in our CHT. Its time we take over whole of Arakhan.
 
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eastwatch, iajdani and Capt. Planet who just thanked iajdani's, please note that your positions will help India to box in Bangladesh and this is exactly what Indians want and I am sure they are telling RAWamy League to follow this policy. So you guys want to help India and undermine Bangladesh interest?
 
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eastwatch, iajdani and Capt. Planet who just thanked iajdani's, please note that your positions will help India to box in Bangladesh and this is exactly what Indians want and I am sure they are telling RAWamy League to follow this policy. So you guys want to help India and undermine Bangladesh interest?

Well you are too afraid of India and your sheer fear made it impossible to do the right thing for the future of this country. You must come out of that mindset that if we ask our right share from Myanmar will put us in odd with India. In fact taking the offensive stand against Myanmar will help us even containing India. We are not boxed up country with our without Myanmar.
 
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eastwatch, iajdani and Capt. Planet who just thanked iajdani's, please note that your positions will help India to box in Bangladesh and this is exactly what Indians want and I am sure they are telling RAWamy League to follow this policy. So you guys want to help India and undermine Bangladesh interest?

Bangladesh is not fool enough to do anything that will hamper growth prospect of Bangladesh considering present government of Myanmar is moderate...

Based on the current news government has taken 2 stage policy to deal with this refugee problem... 1st discussion while internationalize the matter...

Details below...

Already Bangladesh has reached an agreement with the newly elected government of Myanmar regarding this refugee and government of myanmar has agreed to take the registered refugees though no agreement has been reached for not registered refugees which make up bulk of the refugee...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/134962-myanmar-take-back-rohingya-refugees.html

Not only that Bangladeshi government has internationalized the issue by putting this refugee issue before OIC and UNHCR....

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...nhcr-again-work-source-problem-rohingyas.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/179934-fm-places-rohingya-issues-before-oic.html

Hope this will be helpful....

But putting some control or influence in arakan is always beneficial for Bangladesh in longer term considering Muslims may become majority in near future over there....but not for destructive purpose...
 
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Seeking a weak position has made Bangladesh the target of humiliation at the hands of Burma. Unless BD can give trouble to Burma, it will never respect BD and it will keep on denying any route to China. What good this MIU MIU policy of Bd has brought to us except that Burma keeps on pushing its Arakanese people towards BD and denying a route to China?

So, keep on with the gentlemanly behaviour with that country and they will keep on kicking our *** all the time. This has been happening since the last 40 years. So, how many years more do you guys want to continue this policy? A country should not talk from the position of weakness.

Our govt and military must sit together and write down an Arakan policy.

You have to be in a position of strength to do that with burma. Zia's era was different and we were
much stronger back then. Burma unlike in the past is not isolated today. MUA/FUA and awami
indian dalali has made us more weaker over the last 5 years. BAL stupidly handed over the
Assamese freedom fighters to their masters and you expect them to back rohingyas now.
First we have to regain our strength while dealing with burmese diplomatically and in this case
we would need the US and chinese help who have the most influence over burma. A solid relation
with burma is our only way out of Indian threat.
 
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eastwatch, iajdani and Capt. Planet who just thanked iajdani's, please note that your positions will help India to box in Bangladesh and this is exactly what Indians want and I am sure they are telling RAWamy League to follow this policy. So you guys want to help India and undermine Bangladesh interest?

Now, you are talking about India. India will do this, India will do that. But, again a guy like you brag BD is not a US pawn. What a double standard? Very strange! Do not you think India is already messing up things by encouraging Burma? So, what is the point of fearing India? Let India do all those nasty things, but we don't keep the ball in the court of India or Burma. The ball must be in our court.

We must demand a route through Burma to China, and at the same time we will keep the Arakani Mujahids' guns fully loaded. Only a double dealing will force Burma to open a route to China. No country ever respects another country who lack self-respect and courage when dealing with another country.
 
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