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Mitron aaj to tumhare mandiron se speaker utar rahe hain, ek na huye to kal yeh tumhare ghar main ghuske tumhari izzat utarenge. Isliye bolta hoon, apni taakat dikha do. To sab milte hain, shaam 6 baje Bageshwar mandir. (Friends, today, they are removing speakers from your temples; if you do not unite, tomorrow they will enter your homes and humiliate you. This is why I say, demonstrate your strength. So let us meet at 6 pm at the Bageshwar temple.)

— Message sent out on WhatsApp, allegedly by Vijay Kumar Mittal, head of the Bageshwar temple committee in Saharanpur.



On July 23, four days before riots broke out between Sikhs and Muslims in Saharanpur city, nearly 2,500 Hindus answered the message, gathering quickly at Kothwai Nagar, 5 km outside the city. On the previous night (July 22), loudspeakers at the temple had blared Shiv Katha, disturbing scores of Muslims at their night-time Ramzan namaaz. Some 300 Muslim families live in the Hindu-dominated area, and an argument broke out between the two communities on Behat Road before the police were called in. The night passed peacefully, but the next morning, the WhatsApp message went out.

In the same day, in Nehtaur in adjoining Bijnor district, two Muslim men attacked a Hindu pandit called Rajesh Singh Saini with a knife. Saini’s temple is in the predominantly Muslim neighbourhood of Holiyan, and residents of the area had objected to the volume of the temple’s loudspeaker. The local police shrugged off the attack as the result of personal enmity between Saini and someone called Salim. But a full week after the incident, The Indian Express observed five armed policemen still patrolling the area.

In the 10 weeks after May 16, when the new government took over in Delhi, police in Uttar Pradesh recorded 605 incidents of “communal” nature, two-thirds of them in and around 12 assembly constituencies headed to bypolls. In this communal tinderbox, the humble loudspeaker emerged as a potent catalyst for tensions.

Traditionally used for propaganda, provocation and posturing, the loudspeaker was transformed into an effective instrument of polarisation. Police records of over 600 communal incidents during this period scrutinised by The Indian Express show some 120 of them were triggered by the use of loudspeakers at places of worship — the largest contributor, alongside construction activities involving masjids, madrasas and kabristans, to tensions.

Ten incidents occurred in Muzaffarnagar; nine each in the districts of Bijnor, Meerut and Moradabad. Loudspeakers triggered eight incidents each in Amroha and Saharanpur; seven each in Sambal and Bareilly; and six in Shamli. Five incidents each were witnessed in Baghpat, Rampur, Bahraich and Balrampur.


The incidents spiked sharply after June 16, when \Hindu mobs poured out on the streets of Kant, Moradabad, after a newly installed loudspeaker at a Dalit temple was removed.

Between May 16 and June 16, only 17 incidents were recorded — all but one of which were in the western UP districts of Muzaffarnagar, Shamli, Amroha, Sambhal and Moradabad. After June 16, however, and especially after Ramzan began on June 30, there was a spurt in communal incidents, which also spread rapidly eastward.

In nearly all of these 120 cases, a familiar pattern was seen: temple loudspeakers competed with loudspeakers of the azaan; and a new and aggressive Hindu insistence on the right to use loudspeakers triggered Muslim reaction.


OUTSIDERS, RUMOUR, DENIAL

Vijay Kumar Mittal of Saharanpur’s Bageshwar temple committee — also an activist of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad — denied having sent the WhatsApp message that, besides exhorting Hindus to “unite”, contained several offensive references to Muslims. Police are yet to establish where the message originated.

Eyewitness accounts of Muslims, corroborated by police officials, suggest that the majority among the 2,500-strong Hindu mob that gathered at the temple were outsiders. Said a Muslim man in Saharanpur who identified himself as Nazir, “We have never had such problems in the past. If it (the loudspeaker) was loud, we would request that the volume be turned down, and the pujari would oblige. But this Ramzan, it was impossible to conduct our prayers.


“We informed administration officials because we did not want conflict. But an agitating mob showed up the next day. There were very few locals in that mob. I don’t know what would have happened had the administration not intervened.”

Nazir was among members of the community who gathered for afternoon prayers not far from Bageshwar temple amid curfew in Saharanpur.

Kapil Mishra, a member of the Bageshwar temple committee, said, “The loudspeaker will remain where it is, and the Shiv Katha will continue. The temple uses loudspeakers only occasionally. What about the masjid? Their radio (loudspeaker) blares throughout the year. Have we ever objected?”

Assembled inside the temple, Mishra and other members of the temple committee described an alleged attack by Muslims on a priest. “Muslims attacked the pandit of the Shankaracharya temple and injured him. This is what is happening to us wherever the Mohammedans are in a position of strength,” they said.

However, the local police station has no record of any such attack. About the July 23 incident, Kothwai Nagar police have recorded in the station registry that following rumours of a loudspeaker being removed in Bageshwar temple, both communities had gathered on the main road, but the district administration had settled the matter and urged both sides to maintain peace.



At Muzaffarnagar, Balraj Singh, the Bajrang Dal’s regional coordinator for western UP, told The Indian Express: “Why do Muslims object to mandirs using loudspeakers? They don’t want Hindus to express themselves. They want to subjugate us. We are being denied the right that they enjoy. That is why they are making an issue out of mandirs using loudspeakers.”

Balraj Singh said he had just returned from clamped-down Saharanpur.

POLITICIANS’ OPPORTUNITY

At 7 pm on July 23, barely half an hour after the knifing of priest Rajesh Singh Saini in Nehtaur, Bijnor, Karan Singh Saini, the BJP’s Nehtaur in-charge, arrived at the local police station along with 200 others. Gathering the crowd had been easy, he said, because everyone knew pressing charges against Muslims would be difficult.

“The news spread to nearby areas, and we decided to meet at the police station. We knew it would be difficult to press charges against a Muslim because the Samajwadi Party government patronises Muslims,” Karan Singh Saini said.

Soon afterward, a “Muslim” delegation led by the SP’s local unit in-charge arrived at the police station, seeking an “amicable” compromise. Police, however, charged both groups, much to the dismay of the Hindu population in the area. The station registry recorded that the incident involved two individuals of the Hindu and Muslim community, both of whom were under the influence of alcohol, and that an FIR had been registered.

Later, standing in the one-room home where Rajesh Saini is recovering from his injuries, a neighbour said, “The SP government patronises them (Muslims). We are the victims, but get charged.”

Everyone in the room agreed, and several people recounted incidents of attacks on priests during Ramzan. The Indian Express could not confirm any of these incidents. The police have no record of such attacks.

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Express investigation part-II: My loudspeaker versus your loudspeaker | The Indian Express
 
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Since when did a Shiv Katha have to be broadcast via a loudspeaker or was this just a way of using the Shiv Katha to agitate the Muslims ?
 
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Since when did a Shiv Katha have to be broadcast via a loudspeaker or was this just a way of using the Shiv Katha to agitate the Muslims ?

Its not about Shivkatha being broadcasted via loudspeaker.. In my village we used to have churches and temples near to each other.. Both made sure not to disturb each other's prayers.. During festivals we used to play Christian songs through loud speakers and they also do the same with their songs and reciting Bhagawat Gita.. But if a function is going on in any of the homes, each community make sure that the speakers to that direction should be turned off.. Any one can go to a church and temple and request them to turn off the speaker.. It was as simple as that.. But reading this article is making me scary.. We as a nation is getting intolerant to other religions.. We are heading to become a Taliban version..
 
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Its not about Shivkatha being broadcasted via loudspeaker.. In my village we used to have churches and temples near to each other.. Both made sure not to disturb each other's prayers.. During festivals we used to play Christian songs through loud speakers and they also do the same with their songs and reciting Bhagawat Gita.. But if a function is going on in any of the homes, each community make sure that the speakers to that direction should be turned off.. Any one can go to a church and temple and request them to turn off the speaker.. It was as simple as that.. But reading this article is making me scary.. We as a nation is getting intolerant to other religions.. We are heading to become a Taliban version..

yep.

But mention that, and you are branded a traitor, a sickular, a western loving commie out to destroy everything India stands for. We have neighbours, that has become a petri dish for religiosity infiltrating, No dominating public life.

And yet, we call them enemies but we want to become a Hindu version of it.
 
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My locality is surrounded by 17 mosques and its a nightmare everyday. The loudspeaker noise at 5 am and then in between throughout the day disturbs everyone. No one objects because it mostly comes from a major sunni neighborhood which is more like a ghetto filled with bangladeshi illegal immigrants. The place is called Islampur.
 
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I believe too much secularism has been allowed by the secular parties that now people and maybe some psychopaths who are being supported by the aggressive BJP have found a voice for their concerns.

I believe the whole loudspeaker business should be banned completely and any other piece which can be used by politicians to score brownie points and spread intolerance.

I have always felt the religious sermons (Muslim and Hindu) blaring on the loudspeaker as nuisance.

Its not about Shivkatha being broadcasted via loudspeaker.. In my village we used to have churches and temples near to each other.. Both made sure not to disturb each other's prayers.. During festivals we used to play Christian songs through loud speakers and they also do the same with their songs and reciting Bhagawat Gita.. But if a function is going on in any of the homes, each community make sure that the speakers to that direction should be turned off.. Any one can go to a church and temple and request them to turn off the speaker.. It was as simple as that.. But reading this article is making me scary.. We as a nation is getting intolerant to other religions.. We are heading to become a Taliban version..
The loudspeaker should not be allowed at all, especially everyday. Sometimes during some important festival only for some time in a day..

We South Asians are crazy about our religions. :(
 
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@seiko

Firstly, the article seems biased. What the journalist conveniently forgets to mention is that this particular month was also the holy month of sawan in Hindu calendar. The article makes it look like Hindus started using loudspeaker just to piss the Muslims off, which is not the truth.

As for the overall situation in Western UP, its bad and getting worse. Vote bank politics is only part of the problem, Deobandi Madarssa and their "missionary zeal", increasing muslim population, Azam Khan and SP's appeasement politics and you have the communal shytehole that is known as Western UP these days.
 
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Its not about Shivkatha being broadcasted via loudspeaker.. In my village we used to have churches and temples near to each other.. Both made sure not to disturb each other's prayers.. During festivals we used to play Christian songs through loud speakers and they also do the same with their songs and reciting Bhagawat Gita.. But if a function is going on in any of the homes, each community make sure that the speakers to that direction should be turned off.. Any one can go to a church and temple and request them to turn off the speaker.. It was as simple as that.. But reading this article is making me scary.. We as a nation is getting intolerant to other religions.. We are heading to become a Taliban version..

I tend to disagree. Its just that now media is reporting every stray incident in the country and discussing in the prime time news . Before 24 hours channels this incident would have been reported on the inside page of any national news paper. It only deserves that much attention just like the Chapati incident. As for the tolerance, it only increased with the advent of multinationals and IT jobs.The last major religious riot in India was Gujurat in 2002 and in that too the death was much less than what happened during the previous riots. Its just that now a days with all this media and social media, nobody can get away with BS.
 
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The night passed peacefully, but the next morning, the WhatsApp message went out.
In the same day, in Nehtaur in adjoining Bijnor district, two Muslim men attacked a Hindu pandit called Rajesh Singh Saini with a knife.
A Whatsapp message has soo much power! :D India is devellupped (y)

Kapil Mishra, a member of the Bageshwar temple committee, said, “The loudspeaker will remain where it is, and the Shiv Katha will continue. The temple uses loudspeakers only occasionally. What about the masjid? Their radio (loudspeaker) blares throughout the year. Have we ever objected?”
Possibly the best example of reverse polarization. In Kashmir when the jihadis chanted you know what, a delegation went to the destroyed Mattan temple and flew the Indian flag in defiance - meaningless if you think rationally but you know we are humans, I guess.

two individuals of the Hindu and Muslim community, both of whom were under the influence of alcohol, and that an FIR had been registered.
Now alcohol is being blamed as the culprit while it should be identified as the solution. Get both the Hindu and Muslim fighters drunk and then they will kiss each other. :sarcastic:

Oh well. Alcohol is .... :sick:
 
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There should be a blanket ban on loud speakers in temples, churches, mosques, gurudwaras etc. Your religion is your private affair so keep the chants/prayers private as well.

But its funny to see how some desperate ones leaves no chance to bash the ones they intend to and then claim themselves to be victims.Quite evident on this thread, I guess that's some learning they got from this forum.
 
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