My Kargil testimony, declassified

[pursuit of happiness]

US had warned Pakistan to get out of occupied areas during Kargil War, says former Pak diplomat Riaz Khokhar : Pakistan, News - India Today
'US told Pak to get out of areas occupied during Kargil War' | Brèves | LEAP 2020
‘US told Pak to vacate occupied areas during Kargil’ - Hindustan Times
US had warned Pakistan to get out of occupied areas during Kargil War
US told Pakistan to get out of areas occupied during Kargil war: Former Pak envoy to US
'US told Pakistan to get out of areas occupied during Kargil War': ex-Pakistan envoy

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now link like these are hard to refute..
bravo

 

[Bang Galore]

@Syed.Ali.Haider

I've myself spoken to Kargil Veterens, from Sipahis, Major, Colonel and a Brigadier.

They all stated that Kargil was a military victory snatched from us by a spineless Prime Minister who caved into Clinton's coercion.

All historians including Brian Cloughly have stated the same. Musharraf was deeply trusted by his men, he lead them with great tactic and personal valor. He infiltrated in Indian controlled territory with other SSGs and spent the night there which was later confirmed by the Indian military.

Even today the highest peak in Kargil theater is a Pakistani checkpost. It remains an evidence that we were making progress in the conflict.

All Veterns i've spoken to have stated that Nawaz Sharif's order for a hasty, immediate and unilateral withdrawl lead to thousands of Pakistan casualties.

So you are one of those subscribing to the argument that the Pakistan Army dutifully withdrew from a winning position in Kargil because the PM ordered them to but overthrew him when he changed the CoAS. What do you think that says about the Pakistan Army?

 

[pursuit of happiness]

So you are one of those subscribing to the argument that the Pakistan Army dutifully withdrew from a winning position in Kargil because the PM ordered them to but overthrew him when he changed the CoAS. What do you think that says about the Pakistan Army?

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it seems PA dutifully marched on peacks without informing PN, PAF and may be civilian govt
but then

PA honour civilian govt order to clim down..
but
retain that usleess peak 5353 despite civilian govt said to come down which is contradictory

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Still unskilled and unequipped soldiers won us kargil back...

1,000-1500 vs 35,000/infantry divisions+arty divisions+indian airforce..

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it seems PA dutifully marched on peacks without informing PN, PAF and may be civilian govt
but then

PA honour civilian govt order to clim down..
but
retain that usleess peak 5353 despite civilian govt said to come down which is contradictory

 

[IPL5]

1,000-1500 vs 35,000/infantry divisions+arty divisions+indian airforce..



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Pak lost 2,700 men in Kargil war: Sharif - The Times of India

 

[axisofevil]

Still unskilled and unequipped soldiers won us kargil back...

Let;s be realistic. It took the world pressure on Pakistan to assist us.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pak lost 2,700 men in Kargil war: Sharif - The Times of India

New Delhi: The disclosure of information related to casualties suffered by Army during Kargil war and number of militants killed cannot be made public as it would “affect morale of nation”, India’s Central Information Commission has held in an order 14 years after the war. Ironically, most of the details which Information Commissioner ML Sharma allowed the Army to withhold are already in public domain through the official website of the Press Information Bureau, a government of India department.

A feature given on the PIB website on “Operation Vijay” says that 527 soldiers and airmen laid down their lives during the Kargil war.

The curious decision of Sharma came on the plea of RTI applicant Om Prakash Kashiram who sought to know from the Army the number of militants and the Indian soldiers killed in the Kargil War and the matters related therewith.

The information which was sought last year in May was denied by army citing section 8(1)(a) of the RTI Act which allows withholding of information, disclosure of which would prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, relation with foreign State or lead to incitement of an offence.

Kashiram then preferred an appeal before the CIC contesting the claims of Army.

When the matter reached Sharma, he agreed with the views taken by Army and allowed withholding information.

“War related casualties cannot be placed in public domain without a reasonable distance of time as they affect the morale of the nation in general and that of the troops in particular. Disclosure of such information has a bearing on the national security,” Sharma held in his order which was given nearly 14 years of the war.


Source: Disclosing Kargil casualties would affect morale of troops: CIC



Nawaz is a fukin liar .. just yesterday his lie got busted by ISPR..


Pak casualities list:

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[IPL5]

New Delhi: The disclosure of information related to casualties suffered by Army during Kargil war and number of militants killed cannot be made public as it would “affect morale of nation”, India’s Central Information Commission has held in an order 14 years after the war. Ironically, most of the details which Information Commissioner ML Sharma allowed the Army to withhold are already in public domain through the official website of the Press Information Bureau, a government of India department.

A feature given on the PIB website on “Operation Vijay” says that 527 soldiers and airmen laid down their lives during the Kargil war.

The curious decision of Sharma came on the plea of RTI applicant Om Prakash Kashiram who sought to know from the Army the number of militants and the Indian soldiers killed in the Kargil War and the matters related therewith.

The information which was sought last year in May was denied by army citing section 8(1)(a) of the RTI Act which allows withholding of information, disclosure of which would prejudicially affect the sovereignty and integrity of India, the security, strategic, scientific or economic interests of the State, relation with foreign State or lead to incitement of an offence.

Kashiram then preferred an appeal before the CIC contesting the claims of Army.

When the matter reached Sharma, he agreed with the views taken by Army and allowed withholding information.

“War related casualties cannot be placed in public domain without a reasonable distance of time as they affect the morale of the nation in general and that of the troops in particular. Disclosure of such information has a bearing on the national security,” Sharma held in his order which was given nearly 14 years of the war.


Source: Disclosing Kargil casualties would affect morale of troops: CIC



Nawaz is a fukin liar .. just yesterday his lie got busted by ISPR..


Pak casualities list:

Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.

 

[axisofevil]

There is only one reason for this.......its called CONgress. Just look at the decisions being made by Modi. He is just doing what should have been done decades ago. Congress is very corrupt and went to great lenghts to protect their ppl. Look at how Sheila was transferred! How come Congress never corrected the loop holes that prevent Governors from being subject to prosecution? Come on ppl, THINK. Congress did nothing for us, only for their own pockets. Sonia made sure black money was not acted on for over 3-4 yrs! Enough time for her to hide her assets! What about Sonia's brother owning 1/3 of a prominent newspaper? At some point, Indians need to wake up from their fairy tale. Congress to this day wont get rid of them....instead some only asking for them to stay away for 1-2 yrs? WHY? What good is it for India if these scumbags come back to office?



I haven't forgotten the INDIAN posters in this site who openly supported CONgress.....we know you just waiting for an opportunity to crucify MODI. It's the same reason why we dont want CONgress to have the opposition seat...you will just slow things done for India and fuk us all over again.

NO THANKS....I was in Bangalore, India when Kargil took place. No matter what anyone says, our troops were very poorly equipped. Remember that....

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

no youtube.

 

[danger007]

1,000-1500 vs 35,000/infantry divisions+arty divisions+indian airforce..



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again don't pull silly reasons about personal count... it doesn't matter to us how many pak mujahideen personal involved in kargil ....pak claimed them as Mujahideen initially(lie) , later accepted the truth... the fact is PA holds advantage, because of those captured posts are located in peaks...

 

[ranjeet]

1,000-1500 vs 35,000/infantry divisions+arty divisions+indian airforce..



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Let me get this straight, the one who captured the empty peaks crying about uneven playing field?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

again don't pull silly reasons about personal count... it doesn't matter to us how many pak mujahideen personal involved in kargil ....pak claimed them as Mujahideen initially(lie) , later accepted the truth... the fact is PA holds advantage, because of those captured posts are located in peaks...

Stop lying... they were mujahideen and NLI (paramilitary) troops... we accepted even awarded military honours to martyrs... including 2 Nishan e Hiaders etc in 2000.

Let me get this straight, the one who captured the empty peaks crying about uneven playing field?

dnt take the high horse... doesnt suite india,

 

[ranjeet]

Stop lying... they were mujahideen and NLI (paramilitary) troops... we accepted even awarded military honours to martyrs... including 2 Nishan e Hiaders etc in 2000.



dnt take the high horse... doesnt suite india,

It's the weekend .. I am already high ... don't know where the damn horse went though. Koi ni ... have your fun.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Hope this will open eyes of people love conspiracy theories.

Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire

Former Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has claimed that he called for a ceasefire to end the Kargil war in 1999 after Army chief Pervez Musharraf 'begged' him to do so.
Sharif, in an interview for a book Gaddar Kaun, also scoffed at the 'pull-out' by the Pakistani troops from Kargil saying they had 'lost everything.'

He admitted Pakistan made a 'request' to militants to withdraw from Kargil only to 'show to the world' that Pakistani troops had not occupied the icy heights in Jammu and Kashmir.

"The fact is that when Musharraf's misadventure failed miserably, this commando general came to me to get the war ceased at any cost," Sharif told author Suhail Warraich in an interview for an updated edition of the book which was released in Pakistan on Friday.

The former premier said US General Anthony Zinni's book 'verifies this claim of his.'

"His testimony clearly says that it was the army chief and not the prime minister, who wanted the ceasefire," Sharif said.

Sharif refuted Musharraf's claims that international pressure over Kargil had demoralised him.

"It is an interesting claim... I was not demoralised by the international pressure... first, he begged me for a ceasefire and then bade me farewell at the Chaklala Airport for Washington," the then premier said.

Sharif claims that after the first phase of his meeting with the then US President Bill Clinton, he came to know that India had recaptured Tiger Hill from Pakistani troops.

"You have lost everything already, now what should I talk about," Sharif claims to have told Musharraf during a telephone conversation from Washington.

Sharif said that he made the announcement asking the mujahideen to withdraw from the occupied heights at the advise of his military secretary to show the world that it were they who had captured the Karil peaks.

"When the mujahideen were formally requested to pull out from the peaks at a meeting called by the ISI, a militant commander asked 'where Kargil was.' This triggered laughter," Sharif said.

The former premier said that he appointed Musharraf as the army chief on the advise of defence secretary Iftikhar Ali Khan.

"Khan told me that Musharraf worshipped me as his hero. He advised me to appoint Musharraf as the army chief," Sharif said.

'Musharraf begged for Kargil ceasefire'

'US told Pak to get out of areas occupied during Kargil War' - Rediff.com India News
"India is hopping mad. Please get out of the places you have occupied," was the American message to Pakistan in the wake of the Kargil War in 1999, Pakistan’s then envoy to the US, Riaz Khokhar said in Islamabad on Sunday.

Almost 15 years after Pakistani troops intruded across the Line of Control sparking the border conflict, the issue came up for discussion at the Islamabad Literature Festival.

The speakers at the discussion, including former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Khokhar, former ambassador Tariq Osman Hyder and journalist Nasim Zehra had an open and frank talk about different aspects of the conflict.

All the three speakers agreed that the war was an "avoidable venture".

Khokhar gave an insight into the American reaction to the Kargil conflict.

"It was an avoidable venture. I was called by senior (US) Department of State officials and told to get out of the areas that we had occupied," he said.

He said the biggest failure of Pakistan was that it was not able to develop a credible narrative. "I think we were seen as an irresponsible country," he said.

Khokhar said there was unanimity in the army that the then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was properly briefed on the war.

He dismissed the notion that the theatre of war would have expanded had Pakistan not withdrawn.

"The US said India is hopping mad. Please get out of the areas you have occupied otherwise the theatre of war might expand. It was a mere threat that US used," he said.

Khokhar said there was no movement of troops on the Indian side to suggest that the theatre of war would spread.

Zehra, whose book on the Kargil conflict is to be launched soon, said, "Kargil is not something that Pakistan army as an institution is proud of".

She said there was a "Kargil clique" of "four generals who had planned it which was more or less a disaster".

Pakistani soldiers needed better leadership than those who planned the Kargil conflict, she said.

Dude Nawaz Sharif is a liar simple. He lied yesterday infront of everyone. He said in his address that he didn't asked current COAS to get involved in political situation right now. After his address ISPR came out with a statement that its the GOVT which asked COAS to get involved ie NS and company. Guy is known liar. He said so much about Zardari such as i will put him to trial and he will be accounted for all the corruption but the other day he met Zardari and probably begged Zardari to save his bu*t by keeping up the support of whole PPP and allies. So i wont believe S**t NS says and that too compare to army. As you know army is strong and politicans are weak that too because of their corrupt and dishonest nature. A strong person wont lie because he is not scared of any reaction but a dishonest will always be scared and therfore willl lie to save his bu*t when its on fire.