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Court finds ‘pastor’ guilty of incest

Aself-proclaimed pastor who fathered three children with his own daughter was yesterday found guilty of raping her over a period eight years. The 50-year-old man from KaNyamazane near Nelspruit in Mpumalanga, who can't be named to protect his daughter's identity, was found guilty in the Nelspruit regional court of nine counts of
rape. He was remanded in custody until April 15 when a pre-sentencing report – to help the court determine a suitable sentence – will be submitted. The pastor had pleaded not
guilty to the nine counts of rape, alternatively incest. The man raped his daughter
between 1998 and 2006 after telling his wife, three sons and daughter
that God had told him to fulfill his promise as a “descendant of Benjamin”.
He testified that he slept with his daughter so that she could “see the kingdom of heaven” when she died. The pastor further testified during his trial that he had never heard the word “incest” until he appeared in court and that he’d never seen the
word in the Bible. He told court that a man like him would not sleep with his daughter
unless it was for religious reasons. He said he prayed for everyone in
his family before they went to sleep in a one-hour prayer session.
He had quoted many Bible verses in an attempt to back up his plea of
innocence. He said that in the Bible, Lot impregnated his two daughters.
He claimed that if Lot’s act was not deemed a sin, then his own sexual
union with his daughter could not be deemed immoral either. His
daughter is now 23 and has three children – aged eight, five and four.
According to a policeman who testified during the trial, the man's wife
and daughter were kept virtual prisoners in their house in KaNyamazane
where the man ran a “church” and preached about the end
of the world. When passing judgment, magistrate Andre Geldenhuys said it was
unacceptable for the pastor to distort Bible verses to justify his actions. –
African Eye News Service

http://www.firechildren.org/fire.pdf
 
Notorious Priest Rape Trial Starts

Prosecutor: Former Priest Shanley Told Boy 'No One Will Believe You'

CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Jan. 25, 2005 | by Bootie Cosgrove-Mather

AP) Former priest Paul Shanley told a 6-year-old boy, "If you tell, no one will believe you," before molesting him at a Newton parish in the early 1980s, a prosecutor said Tuesday. But the defense said his story was concocted in order to bring a lawsuit.

The boy didn't tell anyone for nearly 20 years, recovering his memories of the alleged abuse only after hearing of media reports about the sex scandal in the Boston Archdiocese, Assistant District Attorney Lynn Rooney said during opening statements in Shanley's child rape trial in Middlesex Superior Court.

"Those memories were buried deep inside," Rooney said.

Shanley's lawyer Frank Mondano said the accuser made up the allegations against Shanley to get in on the multimillion-dollar settlements for victims in the scandal.

The accuser repeatedly changed his story after coming forward in early 2002, Mondano said. And he said he would call expert witnesses to debunk the science behind so-called repressed memories.

"This case is, after all, about two things: old memories and really, really old memories," said Mondano, adding that the case against Shanley was "a vilification" orchestrated by "personal injury lawyers."

Rooney acknowledged that the man got $500,000 in a civil settlement with the archdiocese last year, but she said his willingness to testify publicly about being repeatedly raped by Shanley shows he is motivated by more than money.

Shanley, who turned 74 Tuesday, faces three charges of raping a child and two charges of indecent assault and battery on a child. The maximum sentence is life in prison.

He was once known as a long-haired priest in blue jeans who reached out to Boston's troubled youth in the late '60s. He was defrocked by the Vatican last year after being charged with sexually abusing boys at St. Jean's parish in Newton between 1979 and 1989.

Shanley became a lightning rod for public anger over the clergy sex abuse scandal after internal church documents were released showing church officials knew that he advocated sex between men and boys, yet they continued to transfer him from parish to parish.

The case originally involved allegations by four accusers, but it has since been whittled down to the one man, now 27, who says he was sexually abused by Shanley between 1983 and 1989, when he was between the ages of 6 and 12.

Rooney said the boy was taken out of religious education classes and digitally and orally raped by Shanley in the church bathroom, the pews and in the confessional.

Shanley sometimes summoned the boy to the rectory to play cards. "The defendant would say, 'You lose, take off your clothes,"' and then molest him, Rooney said.

During her introduction, the prosecutor posted a photo of Shanley's accuser as a curly haired 6-year-old boy on a screen in front of the jury box.

Most of the priests accused in hundreds of civil lawsuits avoided criminal prosecution because the alleged crimes were committed so long ago that charges were barred by the statute of limitations. But because Shanley moved out of Massachusetts, the clock stopped. He was arrested in California in May 2002.

Security was tight for the trial, with spectators walking through a metal detector outside the courtroom, in addition to the screening at the courthouse entrance. During a recess, a Shanley supporter had a verbal confrontation with another man in the hallway and the two were separated by a court officer.

After the opening statements, prosecutors called several witnesses, including New Hampshire bishop John McCormack, who investigated allegations of sexual misconduct as a former lieutenant to Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law. McCormack testified that Shanley moved to California after leaving St. Jean's in 1990.

In his opening, Mondano challenged the timing of when the accuser said he recovered his memories of the abuse.

According to Rooney, the accuser was a military police officer in Colorado when his fiancee called him in early 2002 to tell him about a Boston Globe article detailing another man's allegations against Shanley. That's when he says the memories of his own abuse came flooding back.

But Mondano said the man contacted lawyers in the Greenberg Traurig firm, which represented the majority of plaintiffs in an $85 million clergy sex abuse settlement with the Boston Archdiocese, "either before he recovered his memory or within minutes thereafter."

"(The accuser) had his personal injury lawyer in place," Shanley's lawyer said, adding that the man had his civil lawsuit "ready to roll" shortly after he recovering his memory.

"The simple truth is that (the accuser's) story is not reliable," Mondano said.

A jury of eight men and eight women is considering the case against Shanley. Four will be appointed as alternates following the testimony, which is expected to last about two weeks.

Notorious Priest Rape Trial Starts - CBS News
 
^^ What's it matter if Pastors do it as well?

That's not really the point. I'm sure if Pastors do it, that Imams do it also.

But what I doubt is a) whether it's true - why she is selling her book? and b) that she has ulterior motives for doing so.

When HIrsi Ali got Dutch citizenship, it was proved much later that she'd lied about her father raping her in order to get into the West.

These sorts of cases where they gain a lot by revealing stuff like this always sound very fishy.

But like I say, I don't see why Imams and Pastors should be any different. They both strived for the same positions.
 
Pedophile priest rape survivors happy to see Doubt not win Academy Awards

When Doubt the play came out in 2002 there was little known about the network of pedo-philes that operated out of the Catholic Church without inhibition for at least the last fifty years in the United States. To us the statement is “There is no Doubt," no doubt at all, that pedophiles preyed freely on children in the Catholic Church. So A lot of pedophile priest rape survivors were not rooting for Doubt to win any Academy Awards.

The timing of the release of the film seemed quizzical to many of us. What has amazed us all as crime victims are the ends to which the Catholic Church has gone to keep the truth about the crimes from ever surfacing in total. So to us releasing this film was a way to keep Americans thinking there is still doubt, when there isn’t, and many of us wonder how much the Church was involved in production of the movie, to lead Americans into believing there was and is any doubt about the five thousand or more Catholic priests who operated openly and were given access to children knowingly in the Catholic Church.

We crime victims of pedophiles in the Catholic Church are all still struggling for justice and being shot down over and over again by Church lawyers AND Catholic Church hired "PR consultants" who with the church's bottomless wallets, can play as many tricks, and mislead the public, in as many ways as it wants.

And the Catholic Church will go to any means to keep the truth about pedophiles in their midst a secret.

There is no doubt.

LA City Buzz Examiner: Pedophile priest rape survivors happy to see Doubt not win Academy Awards
 
Priest in rape case accused of molesting disabled neighbor

A suspended priest awaiting trial in connection with an alleged rape of an 8-year-old boy was charged yesterday with four counts of sexually molesting a 30-year-old mentally retarded man who lives near him in Hull, prosecutors said.

Anthony Laurano, 81, the former pastor of St. Mary's Church in Plymouth, was arrested at his Hull home Tuesday, said Bridget Norton Middleton, a spokeswoman for Plymouth District Attorney Timothy J. Cruz. Laurano pleaded not guilty yesterday in Hingham District Court to four counts of indecent assault and battery on a mentally retarded person, she said.

Prosecutors then asked Judge Ronald F. Moynahan to revoke Laurano's release on personal recognizance in his prior case, in which he had been charged with raping an 8-year-old boy twice on the same day in 1991, a week before the boy's First Holy Communion, Norton Middleton said.

Prosecutors did not say whether the acts that led to the latest charges allegedly occcurred before or after Laurano was charged with raping the boy.

Moynahan denied the request without a hearing and ordered him released again without setting bail, Norton Middleton said. The judge also denied without a hearing the prosecutors' request to have Laurano jailed pending trial under the state's dangerousness statute, she said.

The judge's handling of the matter yesterday outraged an advocacy group that represents survivors of clergy sexual abuse.

''Nobody was watching him, nobody at all," said Ann Hagan Webb, New England co-coordinator for the Survivors Network for Those Abused by Priests.

''We were saying over and over that this was a crime waiting to happen, and here we are -- it happened again," she said. ''I am absolutely horrified that they let him out again with no bail. What were they thinking?"

Laurano's lawyer could not be reached for comment on the case.

Three years ago, Laurano was one of 48 priests placed on administrative leave or otherwise barred from ministry by the Archdiocese of Boston because they were facing allegations of sexual abuse.

The archdiocese released a statement yesterday saying that church officials had been ''saddened" to learn of the new charges against Laurano.

''While on administrative leave, Fr. Laurano cannot minister or function publicly as a priest," the statement read. ''We are unable to comment further on any criminal proceedings involving Fr. Laurano."

The statement also said that Cardinal Sean P. O'Malley ''expressed his concern for the suffering that is experienced by survivors and their families in the midst of these new charges against Fr. Laurano."

''The sexual abuse of children or vulnerable adults by clergy is reprehensible and an egregious violation of the trust placed in members of the clergy," the statement read.

In September 2003, more than 500 victims of abuse reached a historic $85 million agreement with O'Malley and the archdiocese to settle claims that church officials failed to prevent priests under their supervision from molesting children.

Last month, another 88 people who had made similar claims agreed to put their cases before an arbitrator and accept awards ranging from $5,000 to $200,000.

Laurano retired as pastor of St. Mary's in 1995. His family lived in East Boston and later moved to Hull. According to a published obituary, he was one of seven children.

His mother, Rita, was a founding member of the East Boston chapter of the ladies auxiliary of the Xaverian Missionary Society of Holliston, when the order moved to the United States from China in 1945. Laurano was quoted in the obituary as saying that his mother, who died in 1984, was given the honor of receiving Communion from Pope Paul VI in 1969.

Laurano was ordained in 1950, and St. Mary's was his first assignment. He later served at St. Catherine of Genoa Church in Somerville, Sacred Heart in Roslindale, and possibly other parishes before returning to St. Mary's, according to published reports.

Priest in rape case accused of molesting disabled neighbor - The Boston Globe
 
Ex-nun tells of rape by African priest

Laura went into religious life in West Africa with high hopes and high ideals, entering a diocesan-owned convent over the objections of her father who wanted her to join an international religious order instead.

She was 17 when she entered, 27 when she was raped by a priest.

Laura, now in her 30s, is studying at a Catholic college in the United States. NCR met her at the college for an extended interview with her and for a brief interview with a second African nun who is a victim of sexual abuse.

The interview was in response to an e-mail Laura sent to NCR after reading an article in the March 16 issue that directly affected her. The story focused on priests in 23 countries, but primarily in Africa, targeting nuns for sex.

Laura wrote that she was “overjoyed” that public attention had been paid to the problem of priests sexually abusing nuns, especially in Africa. “I was in a diocesan congregation in Africa and I am a victim of this abuse,” she wrote. “I saw many young nuns who are victims. I have left my community now, because I became very sick as a result of my inability to get help to handle the issues. I had nobody to talk to because, as mentioned in the article, you are made to believe that you have to obey the authority figure. Everything that was said in that article is very true.

“You can contact me for further questioning if you want, but I would like to remain anonymous. Thank you so much. ... Hope to hear from you soon.”

The interview with Laura began at a Chinese restaurant near the campus for dinner and continued at a convent affiliated with the college. “We like this restaurant,” she said, “because the food is the closest we can find to the food at home.”

Laura is among Africans studying at the U.S. college as part of an international program. The program is strictly academic she said, and is not an effort to shelter African nuns from the sexual harassment the article describes. Only a couple of the U.S. nuns at her college are aware that she had been a victim, she said. Those nuns, including one whom Laura introduced to NCR, had encouraged her in her decision to be interviewed, she said.

Laura wanted her identity concealed because her mother and other family members in Africa do not know she was raped. Laura, not her real name, is a fairly common name in English-speaking West Africa, she said.

After the rape, she was unable to talk about what had happened to her until a U.S. physician, finding no physical basis for her increasingly serious physical problems, suggested they might be related to extreme stress. Initially neither she nor her doctors had connected her illness to her emotional state, she said. She began speaking with a nun who works as a counselor at her college, and then with others, and gradually, her physical symptoms have subsided.

Generally, African nuns would be extremely reticent to talk to outsiders about sexual harassment, because they are afraid of disobeying the priests, Laura said. “Everybody looks up to them. They think they are gods,” she said. “You are made to feel that if you talk [about their misdeeds] you are being disloyal. Here if you come out and talk about the problems, you get a lot of support. There you are made miserable.”

In contrast to some Africans who wrote NCR to say that the reports on which the March 16 article was based had been too general in its criticisms of the African church, Laura said the reports very closely reflected her own experience. She found the problem of sexual abuse of nuns to be very common in her area and believes it occurs throughout Africa, she said.

NCR’s article, circulated by news outlets worldwide, was based on four reports by senior members of religious orders with close ties to Africa and a fifth by a U.S. priest who has worked in Africa giving workshops on AIDS. The Vatican acknowledged in a March 20 statement that church officials were aware of the problems detailed in the reports and were working on them.

Laura said she first learned about what she describes as rampant immorality among priests in her region from the nun in charge of novices for her diocesan religious order. The novice mistress was a member of an international religious order.

“Our novice mistress was very good to us,” Laura said. We were protected as novices, but “she warned us that after we took our vows the priests would be all over us. She told us, ‘you are young, you are very beautiful, and the men are going to be all over you, especially the priests.’ She said it would be our choice to keep our vows.

“I was so shocked, but some in my group seemed to know about it. I think some were already involved with priests before they came in.”

Despite the warnings of the novice mistress, Laura was unprepared for what happened after she took her final vows. “I didn’t realize how bad it was going to be,” she said. “As soon as I got out of the novitiate, it was like a nightmare. The priests were always asking us for sex, not only the diocesan priests, but the native [African] priests who were members of the international orders. I would tell them, ‘I am a nun, I took vows,’ and they would say, ‘It’s all right to do that as long as we don’t have children.’ ”

She said she had heard stories about nuns who became pregnant and left the order before she joined and knew of two who became pregnant during the nearly two decades that she was a member of her order.

“A lot of young nuns told me they had been raped by priests, and I became more and more angry.” Some of the young nuns who had been violated would speak to her, she said, because they knew that she was unhappy with the way the priests behaved.

Laura was attacked when she accompanied a priest she knew well on a pastoral assignment to a poor, remote village, expecting to return the same day. “The nuns are dependent on the priests for everything,” she said. “For money, for transportation.” The priest had driven her to the assignment. It rained hard that day, washing out the roads by the time they were to return, so the priest decided they would spend the night. They were assigned to the only sleeping quarters available -- two rooms in an empty building set apart from the rest of the village. A long hallway separated their rooms.

Laura said the priest had never mentioned sex to her. But that night, after she was asleep, he came to her room and forced her to have sex with him.

“I fought him throughout, but I was alone. I was scared.” Afterwards, “the hardest thing for me to accept was that it was in the religious life that I broke my virginity,” she said.

Had Laura not entered religious life, she would have gone through a rite of passage in her late teens that would have prepared her in the African way for marriage and sex. Over a period of about two weeks, the family celebrates, gives parties, and the young woman is mentored by married women. The women “tell you about what happens in marriage, about what is expected,” she said. The young woman is “dressed up very nicely” and taken five times to market. “You are more or less put on exhibition. All the women congratulate you.”

Almost always, soon afterward, a man will come forward to marry the woman, she said. “If a woman gets pregnant before that rite, it brings deep shame upon the family.”

Laura said she was deeply relieved when she determined she hadn’t become pregnant by the priest, and deeply angry that, although she saw him many times afterward, he never said he was sorry. “I confronted him, I yelled at him. He kept telling me it was OK, it was normal. I kept insisting it was not OK. You could see from his attitude that he didn’t see anything wrong with it.”

Until the rape, she had retained her virginity by “being very aggressive” with harassing priests. “I kept threatening them. I told them ‘I will expose you,’ ” she said.

Some nuns tolerate the harassment and even comply with demands for sex “because they don’t know any better,” Laura said. “A lot of them are ignorant. They enter the convent at a young age. Many come from very poor backgrounds. Their parents are illiterate and may not even have enough to eat.” When a daughter from such a family enters religious life, “it raises your status. Families are very proud of it.” Women stay despite problems, she believes, “because many have a better life in the convent than they would have at home.”

“The nuns don’t study theology,” she said. “A lot of the priests have been to Rome to study, and when they come back, the women think they know everything, so whatever the priests tell them they believe. They believe them when they say it’s OK to have sex. They think it’s normal, and they become very defensive” if someone tells them it isn’t right.

“Maybe these women will eventually realize they were used,” she said. “But I am sure that for many it will take a long time.”

Laura’s refusal to go along with the priests’ demands made her unpopular not only with priests but also with many nuns in her order, she said. The nuns were frightened by her active resistance because they were dependent on the priests, she said.

When Laura decided to leave her religious community, some of the nuns told her friends they weren’t surprised because “she was very proud,” meaning that she wasn’t a good nun. Compliance, not resistance, was valued in a convent that was totally dependent on the clergy for everything: money, transportation and pastoral assignments.

“At one point I was very strong in insisting on better education for the nuns, and I was accused of being too ambitious,” she said.

“A lot of religious women are destroyed,” she told NCR. “They have no way to protect themselves. They go into religious life thinking they will be well protected, but it is not the case there at all. In fact, it is safer for an African woman to be out in the world.”

Unlike most of the nuns in her order, Laura was from a well-educated family in which both parents were professionals. They were devoted to the church and sent her to Catholic schools through high school. Her high school was operated by a European religious order, which had high standards and maintained little contact with priests. The priests came to say Mass and they left, she said. “We hardly ever saw them.

“When I went into religious life, I was very innocent,” she said. “I felt very safe, maybe because my parents had protected me very well.

“My father did not want me to go to join the diocesan community, but I wanted to because I had a lot of friends who were joining,” she said. “I insisted and insisted, until finally my mother told him to not continue arguing with me.” Her friends, most of them from strong Catholic homes, were attracted to a life of serving others in religious life, she said.

In retrospect, Laura thinks her father may have had suspicions about corruption infecting diocesan religious life in her country. He is no longer living, so she can’t ask him what he knew. Many lay Catholics in Africa are angry at the priests “because they use other girls, too,” she said. “Sometimes they lure them with money because the women are very poor.” Laura said she knows of several priests who have fathered children but take no responsibility for them.

Laura said she was devastated after the rape. “I was confused and embarrassed,” she said. “I was afraid. I couldn’t handle it at all.” Because so many of the nuns take sex with priests “as normal,” she knew of no understanding person she could talk to about the attack. “We don’t have counseling,” she said. “Those you hope to look up to, the older nuns, you realize they are involved, too. You realize, ‘OK, it’s accepted,’ and that’s very hard.”

Laura believes her former novice mistress would have offered support had she still been around. But she had moved on to a new assignment and was no longer in the country.

Laura gradually made the decision to leave her African community after she began studying in the United States. In retrospect, she said, she realized it was never a good fit. She began what she describes as an “obsessive search” for the truth about the vow of celibacy.

“I spent hours analyzing the situation,” she said. “I was desperate to find out the truth about what the priests had been telling me, that it’s OK” to have sex as a priest or nun. “I read everything I could find” -- books about religious life, works of moral theology -- “and nowhere did I find anything that said it was OK.”

For a time, Laura stopped going to church but then realized that she didn’t want a corrupt clergy to destroy her faith. She left religious life and hopes to live out her ideal of service as a lay Catholic.

“I still love the Catholic church,” she said. “I know a few priests who are very good, and that gives me consolation.” But in general, Laura said she has little confidence in priests. “I don’t think all the African priests are like that,” she said, referring to the abusers, “but the majority are.” She believes it would be impossible to be a priest in Africa and be unaware of the problem, even if a priest were not a part of it.

“We have a lot of vocations to the priesthood,” she said. When men become priests, “it raises their status. It gives men money and position,” and celibacy is no obstacle “because it doesn’t mean anything.”

The second African woman who spoke with NCR concurred with Laura about the situation in their country, but was unwilling to talk about her own experience. She is still a member of the religious order that Laura has left.

“When I get back to my country, I will speak with you,” she said. “I have your name right here.” She pulled a piece of notebook paper from the pocket of her jumper. “I can handle only so many things, and right now I have a lot to handle,” she said.

Laura believes the solution to the problem of vulnerable nuns is to make the women’s religious orders in Africa self-supporting like those in most of Europe and in the United States. “Bishops are often part of the problem. They are just like the other priests,” she said.

“The Vatican should not allow local bishops to start their own congregations,” Laura said. “The diocesan congregations are the bishops’ property. When the bishops control the finances, they decide everything: who should be educated, what they should be educated in. The one who controls your finances can control you in every way. The priests see sexual favors as quid pro quo. The nuns are very vulnerable.”

In other countries, too, even here, in the United States, Laura said she and other African nuns have been propositioned by African priests. “Some have approached us and kept inviting us. We could have just given in to them to get support,” because, she said, the community gives nuns studying outside Africa no financial support.

Laura doesn’t see AIDS as a big part of the problem. “The problem is not new,” she said. “It is perpetually there. It is part of the culture. A man in Africa is allowed to have three, four wives and some girlfriends,” while the woman is expected to be faithful to one man. “If you are a woman, you have to be very well educated and have a lot of money in order to have a voice in African culture. Many of the women are illiterate.

“I think a lot of people are happy that somebody came out with it,” she said, referring to NCR’s article about the reports. But “a majority” of the priests will deny that the reports are true. “They don’t want to take responsibility,” she said. “It’s a threat to their power.”

Ex-nun tells of rape by African priest
 
RAPE BY CHRISTIAN PRIEST LEFT WOMAN VICTIM A MUTE

October 14, 2005 -- A Brooklyn woman has filed a $27 million suit against the Archdiocese of New York -- Greenwich Village priest raped her.

Leslie Fray, a 51-year-old nurse's aide and artist, says she was raped three times in 1977 by Father Joseph Cogo, then the pastor at Our Lady of Pompei Church on Carmine Street.

In addition, Cogo, now 71, tried to force her to have love in a Midtown office, called her repeatedly for phone love and tried to have love with her in his bedroom at the rectory, she says. Cogo denies it all. Asked if the charges are true, he replied, "Of course not."

Fray -- then a 23-year-old Yale graduate -- says the incidents left her "living like a vegetable" for many years.

RAPE BY CHRISTIAN PRIEST LEFT WOMAN VICTIM A MUTE
 
Another Hirsi Ali in the making.

Some women (a very very very very small minority) see the current media fascination with horror stories about Islam as a way of making money.

She could have kept quiet, gone to court, got a restraining order. She was after all, such a timid girl, both young and naive, too scared to run away from her father. But suddenly the timid, shy girl turned into the loud mouthed celebrity making $$ of selling her book.

Possible it happened. But I don't trust anyone coming from nowhere trying to sell their books. This sort of stuff would go down well in the Bible Belt.

I don't say that she in not faking it. It is possible.

But unless we have anything to back up our statements, it is wrong and insulting to make any claims.
 
I don't say that she in not faking it. It is possible.

But unless we have anything to back up our statements, it is wrong and insulting to make any claims.

Not really. Saddam couldn't even prove a negative. You can use circumstantial evidence such as selling a book, or the subsequent conversion (as pointed out, why convert if it was simply one man doing this)? Combine all the facts, and there is not a small chance that the case may be faked, there is a fairly large chance.

It was only much later we found out Hirsi Ali lied in most of what she said about being raped and molested by her fathers and brothers and made into a servant for her male relatives. Of course it was probably the other way round, and she treated them like crap, before deciding they were not good enough for her, and applying as a "victim" in the west seeking asylum. Why make such a worthless person into a celebrity.
 
And the base to say this is?

She did not say anything about it at the age of 16 or before this. She lived in Britian, went to school, teachers give lecture to student on harrasment of any kind, provide them with help line number. Yet she did not go to the police against her father. Then all of the sudden at age 32 shes telling the world.
 
She did not say anything about it at the age of 16 or before this. She lived in Britian, went to school, teachers give lecture to student on harrasment of any kind, provide them with help line number. Yet she did not go to the police against her father. Then all of the sudden at age 32 shes telling the world.

We'll not know if it's true or not. I didn't read the article but there was no rape case, so noone knows.

But this sort of stuff where people make things up to sell books is common enough.
 
Fritzl incest sex dungeon trial, why didn't any 1 bring religion into this case, its way worse then this case. No 1 made a big deal about it, that wt religion he was from.

Exactly!!Spot on sir!!

Islam is brought into this so that her book sales like hot cake.

We know what the easiest and fastest way to rise to fame now a days.:tsk:
 
How do you know it isn't true? Incest is committed for real, though perhaps not often. The recent case of the German man who kept his daughter in his basement for many years, fathering several children by her, comes to mind. We recently had a old civil rights leader (a Baptist minister) convicted of incest 30 years after the fact in the Washington, DC area. The case of the Muslim taxi driver in Dallas, Texas honor killing his two teenage daughters for dating last year is also very true. So why couldn't this story be true? Incest is a sin committed by a few men in all cultures. Yes, it's true that there is a commercial market for stories of muslim mistreatment of women as muslim feminists try to agitate for changes and "hype" any such story that they can find. But that doesn't make the stories untrue. I think the more valid point is that the cases are rare, and occur in all cultures. They show the evil that can sometimes occur in human nature, regardless of the positive socialization that has been achieved.

Ok the story might be true,the father may be a bad person.

But where does Islam fits into it?Does Islam says you have sex with your daughter?NO.
So the father is not a proper muslim.As simple as that.
And she was saying the Police wouldn't believe her,I can't believe that.After all she is not in a poor country with corrupt cops all around.
 
I just want to clear to all my Pakistani friends that this story is not only her's but hundreds of british-pak girls[except the incest part]. i presume every body has seen movie " khuda ke liye". She stood for what she couldn't bear further.

I wonder that Pakistani-British citizens are educated still they are so rigid towards their Islamic faith. They are so worried about "din" of their daughters they send them to Pakistan to marry at the of age around 10- 15.i can't imagine if brit-pak people do it then what will the level of fundamentalism in Pakistan.PoliGazette Nine Year Old British Girl Saved From Forced Marriage


British girl 'rescued on way to forced marriage' in Bangladesh - Telegraph


33 missing British girls in forced marriages abroad


Some Britain-Born Pakistani Women Forcibly Married


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 

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