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'My Family Has Been Broken': Pakistanis Fear For Uighur Wives Held In China

The situation almost turned into an insurgency 10 years ago, hundreds were killed. But now Xinjiang is very safe and peaceful, terrorist attack had become a forgotten word which hasn't been heard for years by now thanks to the appropriate measures the Chinese government took.
I am glad that Chinese govt took strict measures to prevent it's society fall Into that darkness .. I hope Pakistan and China both work together prevent such situations in future .
 
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I am glad that Chinese govt took strict measures to prevent it's society fall Into that darkness .. I hope Pakistan and China both work together prevent such situations in future .
Yes, cause we all know, no peace and stability, no development. Xinjiang's rapid development with the highest GDP growth rate in China in recent years completely changed Xinjaing from a remote backward desolate backwater into a modern society with the infrastructures that can easily beat any western cities in the world and people's living standard had been dramatically improved. Such a prosperous Xinjiang really worries the west but we feel very happy to make them worry and feel frustrated.
 
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There is a big difference between India and China.

India says Muslims should leave to Pakistan and Bangladesh.

China says Muslims cannot leave China.
What can I say except that Bharat is not China, and China is not Bharat. Personally I don't trust either.
 
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You couldn't be more wrong, the Chinese had no laws in place which those women defiled by marrying Pakistani men. Protecting the interests of its people is exactly what the diplomatic apparatus of any state is supposed to accomplish. All those people who marry foreigners aren't idiots, even Chinese men marry outsiders. This preposterous victim shaming is unjustified. This is a human rights issue, and the International laws dealing with a cognate situation exist.
say whatever you want
we shall not jeopardize our strategic relationship with China, just because of some tharaks
fortunately our Foreign Office thinks so too
 
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Why?

All Indians irrespective of religion should be banned. Saudi's are not allowed to get married to Pakistan's by KSA law. So that already is no. And anybody thinking of getting hitched to a Uighur should know that it could end up in problems. CPC is not nown as big on human rights.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1123519

Saudis told not to marry women from Pakistan, 3 other states

Ehh how do you draw this conclusion. Talk to the Chinese members here and see the reaction.
In my opinion Europeans have the required ingredients of intelligence, discipline, organisation and creativity.
These attributes are to an extent racial.
 
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say whatever you want
we shall not jeopardize our strategic relationship with China, just because of some tharaks
fortunately our Foreign Office thinks so too
Its not what I say. It's about securing Pakistani's rights. You flaunt the image of a terrorist woman in your display, we shall also not jeopardize our relation with a super power over one terrorist woman. That's how the fallacy of your logic fits in.
 
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In my opinion Europeans have the required ingredients of intelligence, discipline, organisation and creativity.
These attributes are to an extent racial.
I am shocked that you think this way. I just hope you don't pass this thinking to your kids. I have never ever, met any European who I thought was intellectually or physically superior to me/us. No way. If anything I think the people of the Indus are superior. I have met all, Germans, Poles, Latvians etc but honestly I do not think they are inheriantly superior. Look at our PM. Find me a leader on earth with his gravitas, pesonality, charisma? Now or in the recent past? The reasons for European success lies in their recent history and advantages of geography.

We are equal if not better then Europeans or the Chinese. In UK I have been exposed to all so I know what I am talking about. However it is not the genetic of the Europeans that confer success. But the attributes that they lave adopted over the last 500 years or particularly the reformation. Those who adopt these attributes like Turks, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporans etc will succeed.

But the problem is in Pakistan we have allowed Mullahism to prevail. They oppose any of the attributes that underpins western success. Indeed any move in that direction buys howls of westoxified. As long as that mindset prevails we will not go anywhere.
 
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I am shocked that you think this way. I just hope you don't pass this thinking to your kids. I have never ever, met any European who I thought was intellectually or physically superior to me/us. No way. If anything I think the people of the Indus are superior. I have met all, Germans, Poles, Latvians etc but honestly I do not think they are inheriantly superior. Look at our PM. Find me a leader on earth with his gravitas, pesonality, charisma? Now or in the recent past? The reasons for European success lies in their recent history and advantages of geography.

We are equal if not better then Europeans or the Chinese. In UK I have been exposed to all so I know what I am talking about. However it is not the genetic of the Europeans that confer success. But the attributes that they lave adopted over the last 500 years or particularly the reformation. Those who adopt these attributes like Turks, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporans etc will succeed.

But the problem is in Pakistan we have allowed Mullahism to prevail. They oppose any of the attributes that underpins western success. Indeed any move in that direction buys howls of westoxified. As long as that mindset prevails we will not go anywhere.
Jamaicans being faster than Pakistanis does not mean they are superior in humanity to Pakistanis...just superior in sprinting. Attributes to some extent are genetic. The Lord God has made it so. I am shocked that you cannot understand this.
This does not mean superiority in humanity, just in that attribute....it would depend on how one uses that attribute.

Whilst there are individual Pakistanis who demonstrate the required intelligence, discipline, organisation and creativity, as a nation we are no match for the US or Germany or UK or France. Pakistanis find it difficult to make a queue at a shop even if their average IQ is above 100, whereas Germans/Britons/Americans/French do, even if the average IQ was lower than 100.
Similarly there are individual Chinese who have the required ingredients but as a people, they will not reach the zenith that Modern Western Civilisation reached in terms of both hard and soft power and military prowess.

Of course we can learn from others and take their good bits...but bear in mind to reach their level we would need to have "their blood" (not literally) as well. Besides Pakistan does not need to reach the power of the US or the erstwhile British Empire...just enough to defend herself and protect herself and ensure prosperity for her people. (And this requires discipline, organisation and sincerity and not necessarily more intelligence, you probably know this but Pakistanis are generally very emotional people in the sense that their emotions get the better of them...)

I am not a biological determinist...far from it...I believe BOTH in Nature and Nurture...whereas most seem to believe in EITHER Nature or Nurture.
 
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CPEC and Dollars Trump all in Naya Pakistan . These people should forget about their families. A Hard state like Pakistan has no place for rights of such people.
 
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And I said we are superior in intelligence.

These are products or attributes of history over the last 500 years. The Germans who brag so much today were good for northing bandits for most of recorded history.
But they had the required genetics inside of them to take advantage of such a time where the environment would suit...sure the Romans called them barbarians but the Romans could not fully conquer them... and also remember that the Romans were the descendants of Indo-European tribes who came from the "North" into what is Italy today... even Tacitus admired the barbarian Germanics for their discipline, courage, and chastity....

"The Romans were naturally curious about the teeming tribes of fierce, warlike people beyond the Rhine who dared contest their conquest of the lands in northern Gaul, and several Roman writers enumerated them and described their way of life, most notably the historian Gaius Cornelius Tacitus. Writing in a first-century Rome which was thoroughly mongrelized, Tacitus was strongly impressed by the Germans’ apparent racial homogeneity:

I concur in opinion with those who deem the Germans never to have intermarried with other nations but to be a pure and unmixed race, stamped with a distinct character. Hence, a family likeness pervades the whole, though their numbers are so great. Their eyes are stern and blue, their hair ruddy, and their bodies large, powerful in sudden exertion, but impatient of toil and not at all capable of sustaining thirst and heat. They are accustomed by their climate to endure cold and hunger.

Tacitus added: “Traitors and deserters are hanged; cowards and those guilty of unnatural practices are suffocated in mud under a hurdle.” Subject to the same punishment as cowards and homosexuals were draft dodgers: those who failed to present themselves for military service when summoned.

The education of the German youth stressed not only bravery and skill in arms, but loyalty in the highest degree. Tacitus gives an interesting description of the mutual obligations between a German leader and his companions in arms:

The Germans transact no business, public or private, without being armed, but it is not customary for any person to assume arms until the state has approved his ability to use them. Then, in the midst of the assembly, either one of the chiefs, or the father, or a relative, equips the youth with a shield and a spear. These are to them the manly gown (toga virilis); this is the first honor conferred on youth. Before, they are considered as part of a household; afterwards, of the state."

https://chechar.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/germanic-people-and-the-romans-1/


I would consider the erstwhile British Empire and the current US empire banditto...very organised, disciplined, intelligent and creative banditto.

Pakistan is number 23 with an average IQ of 84. Germany has an average IQ of 99, and Hong Kong the highest with 108. Jamaica is number 35 with 71. Superior to Jamaica but inferior to Hong Kong.
https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html


There is also another aspect as to why Modern Western Civilisation has reached a zenith that surpasses all previous in summation...but that would mean delving into Islamic Eschatology.
 
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Pakistan is number 23 with an average IQ of 84. Germany has an average IQ of 99, and Hong Kong the highest with 108. Jamaica is number 35 with 71. Superior to Jamaica but inferior to Hong Kong.
I am down with cold so I am really struggling with typing as I sneeze like crazy but these tests are loaded. Education is extremely poor in Pakistan. Please don't go by that. We can whip the Germans anytime.
 
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I am shocked that you think this way. I just hope you don't pass this thinking to your kids. I have never ever, met any European who I thought was intellectually or physically superior to me/us. No way. If anything I think the people of the Indus are superior. I have met all, Germans, Poles, Latvians etc but honestly I do not think they are inheriantly superior. Look at our PM. Find me a leader on earth with his gravitas, pesonality, charisma? Now or in the recent past? The reasons for European success lies in their recent history and advantages of geography.

Well The only Europeans I have met here were Poles,Russians,Ukranians,Serbs,Bosniaks,and Greeks to be fair I think out of all the group in HS and now in College or at work us Asians are much smarter than them tbh those guys are mostly blue collar in nature or piss drunk as well,only problem with us Pakistanis is the mullah mentality that needs to eradicated and I could give less a shit about "Uighurs" or"Syrians" time for Pakistan first
 
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only problem with us Pakistanis is the mullah mentality that needs to eradicated and I could give less a shit about "Uighurs" or"Syrians" time for Pakistan first
Good lad. Work hard. Do the best you can. As regards Islam just focus on making yourself a good human being and your family. Rest will fall in place or leave to the almighty.
 
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We are equal if not better then Europeans or the Chinese. In UK I have been exposed to all so I know what I am talking about. However it is not the genetic of the Europeans that confer success. But the attributes that they lave adopted over the last 500 years or particularly the reformation. Those who adopt these attributes like Turks, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Singaporans etc will succeed.

In the USA the problem with the Pakistanis the diaspora works against the nation we are ready to sell it or talk shit about it without fixing it or changing our mentality, we make more money than the Gangas or the Bongs here but we dont spend s..t countering propaganda from the Ganga lobby and now the Bongs are getting into politics now locally

Good lad. Work hard. Do the best you can. As regards Islam just focus on making yourself a good human being and your family. Rest will fall in place or leave to the almighty.

Unlike most chest pumping PDF Zaid Hamid or Alex Jones tards I have met Uighurs here none of them wants to independence they say we dont want to be another Afghanistan or Pakistan, which makes sense and to be fair one must not forget the ETIM and WUC are anti Pakistan and they want Gigilt Baltisan and the Wakhan Corridor to be part of a future Uyghurstan why you think the ETIM and the Afghan Uzbeks attacked Pakistani border posts or attacked Jinnah International Airport plus lets not forget the PNS Mehran incident a few years back
 
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Its not what I say. It's about securing Pakistani's rights. You flaunt the image of a terrorist woman in your display, we shall also not jeopardize our relation with a super power over one terrorist woman. That's how the fallacy of your logic fits in.
I guess its no use discussing this with you, is there?
 
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