My country won’t stand up against rape, but I have to stand up for the national anthem?

[Zarvan]

Family members try to defend themselves as people accuse them for disrespecting the Indian national anthem. PHOTO: TIMES OF INDIA

“Nationalism is a great danger. It is the particular thing which for years has been at the bottom of India’s troubles. It is my conviction that my countrymen will truly gain their India by fighting against the education which teaches them that a country is greater than the ideals of humanity.” – Rabindranath Tagore

On Monday, at a movie hall in Mumbai, a family was humiliated, threatened, told they would be slapped and were forced to leave the hall amidst applause, because they did not stand up during the national anthem.


This was not a victory for patriotism but a defeat for humanity. If something like that had happened to me, I would lose whatever love I had for my countrymen forever. I would lose whatever patriotism I had flowing through my veins.

The arguments, justifying the actions of the moviegoers who bullied the family, range from emotional outbursts that call for allegiance towards the nation and the national anthem, to talking about our soldiers who risk their lives for their motherland.

Some arguments cite laws in monarchies and dictatorships, like Thailand, where in movie halls a song praising the king is broadcasted before every show and everyone has to stand to show respect. One can be jailed for failing to do so.

The proponents of these arguments forget that we are a democracy.

Some Non-Resident Indians (NRIs) are sniffling about how emotional they are regarding the national anthem. They’re saying their hearts bleed when the anthem plays but their “patriotism” dies when greener pastures (read dollars) call out to them.

But no, you can’t point that out, because not standing up for the national anthem is unpatriotic. Leaving your motherland for better opportunities and waiting with bated breaths for foreign citizenship is fine. I wonder what happens to their bleedings hearts when on paper they revoke all rights and sign away their allegiance to their motherland.

If someone, however, wants to leave the motherland in fear of this growing intolerance, then the unpatriotic flag is waved again.

Patriotism, as a trait, is pretty confusing.

When I was a student, I remember I was coming back from college in a Delhi Transport Corporation (DTC) bus and a man came and stood beside me, and deliberately kept pushing against me. When he tried to feel me up, I shouted, but not one person, not even one, offered me a seat or roughed up that man or even asked him to get off the bus. My students who travel by public transport tell me it’s still the same, and that no one bats an eyelid. How many of them stopped for Nirbhaya when she was bleeding to death?

They do not stand up for fellow citizens yet they bleed for the national anthem. Indian people are one of the worst tax defaulters in the world. They cheat and steal from their country, yet their heart bleeds for the national anthem.

How often have you seen a packet of chips being thrown out of an SUV? They litter, they spit and urinate on the streets, yet their heart bleeds for the national anthem.

One of my students once said to me,

“Ma’am wouldn’t this country be a much better place if people felt the same outrage for rape?”

My point being that there are better ways of showing your patriotism, than standing up for the national anthem or roughing someone up who doesn’t.

What reasons did the Muslim family have for not standing up at the Mumbai theatre on Monday?

Maybe they were just being lazy, maybe they didn’t want to stand with coke and popcorn in hand.

Does that mean they are any less patriotic than the hyperventilating zealots?

Maybe they don’t have a sense of belonging and they are not patriotic. I can think of many people who are not.

I can think of people in the Armed Forces Special Powers Acts (AFSPA) imposed regions who want to have nothing to do with this country.

I can think of that Dalit family which was paraded around naked. I can think of the Dalit children who are made to wash toilets or the Dalit women who are raped in villages and find no justice, or Muhammad Akhlaq’s son for that matter, or the children of the victims of Muzaffarnagar or Gujarat riots.

Will those people want to stand up for the national anthem? I love my national anthem, but that is because this country has treated me well.

I am what I am, because of the public institutions I studied in, because of the democratic space I grew up in, because of the legal system and judiciary that protected me, because of the beautiful constitution that gave me my rights.

But I can understand why some people might not feel the same way, the people who were kept out of this privilege, and were excluded from the development, the education system and the rights. And if they have no feeling of belonging for whatever reason, justified or not, can patriotism be forced down their throat?

Is it okay to resort to violence, verbal or otherwise?

Will that make him/her patriotic?

Another important question we must engage with is: Would it be such a big deal had the family not been Muslim?

Isn’t it this whole thing about asking members of certain communities to prove their patriotism?

But why does anyone have to prove it? Why is patriotism becoming a matter of authority, jingoism and rituals?

Why do we have to make a public display of it? Patriotism cannot be inspired with a stick or a threat.

Do you think the family which was humiliated left the theatre hall feeling more patriotic?

Obviously not.

Nationalism is something that comes from within. And it will come automatically when all citizens are treated equally, when there is love, harmony, and an effort to reduce poverty, starvation, gender violence, caste violence, and violence in border states.

When everyone is included in the development, everyone will have the feeling of belonging.

The law was broken on Monday in that Mumbai movie hall. Ask yourselves who was at fault – was it the law-abiding Muslim family who sat peacefully (there is no law that says it is a punishable offence to not stand up during the national anthem in a movie hall) or the people who threatened them and forced them to leave?

Forget about laws, what does your morality tell you? Is patriotism bigger than the ideals of humanity?

This post originally appeared on DailyOhere.

My country won’t stand up against rape, but I have to stand up for the national anthem? – The Express Tribune Blog
@nair @Khafee @GURU DUTT @MilSpec @SarthakGanguly @AUSTERLITZ @Water Car Engineer @third eye

 

[gslv mk3]

BS Article

 

[supereffect]

This is how they will make bharat a shupa powa

 

[[Bregs]]

every country of world has crime or criminal minded people does it means they start respecting national anthem

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Cribbing babies. and ch**iya author.....Always finding faults.
They dont see that masses are getting educated and these educated masses are slowly standing up against the all the wrongs.

 

[Rau]

If these protests are not comes under definition of "standing up" then what ??????? Madam GHAJANI..

.

 

[baajey]

here in this case, neither modi nor congressis are involved. I can only wonder who is gonna blame whom ??

Cribbing babies. and ch**iya author.....Always finding faults.
They dont see that masses are getting educated and these educated masses are slowly standing up against the all the wrongs.

educated masses don't threaten if u don't stand up for national anthem.
in countries with much better education (not literacy rates) wear their flags on their bums, their nationalism doesn't take a hit.
I guess indian nationalism is weak and hypersensitive. it gets punctured when some guy don't stand up for it.

If these protests are not comes in defination of "standing up" then what ??????? Madam GHAJANI..View attachment 276797 View attachment 276798 View attachment 276800 .

and how about the fact that nirbhaya bled for hours before being sent for medical care??

 

[HariPrasad]

Family members try to defend themselves as people accuse them for disrespecting the Indian national anthem. PHOTO: TIMES OF INDIA

“Nationalism is a great danger. It is the particular thing which for years has been at the bottom of India’s troubles. It is my conviction that my countrymen will truly gain their India by fighting against the education which teaches them that a country is greater than the ideals of humanity.” – Rabindranath Tagore

On Monday, at a movie hall in Mumbai, a family was humiliated, threatened, told they would be slapped and were forced to leave the hall amidst applause, because they did not stand up during the national anthem.


This was not a victory for patriotism but a defeat for humanity. If something like that had happened to me, I would lose whatever love I had for my countrymen forever. I would lose whatever patriotism I had flowing through my veins.

The arguments, justifying the actions of the moviegoers who bullied the family, range from emotional outbursts that call for allegiance towards the nation and the national anthem, to talking about our soldiers who risk their lives for their motherland.

Some arguments cite laws in monarchies and dictatorships, like Thailand, where in movie halls a song praising the king is broadcasted before every show and everyone has to stand to show respect. One can be jailed for failing to do so.

The proponents of these arguments forget that we are a democracy.

Some Non-Resident Indians (NRIs) are sniffling about how emotional they are regarding the national anthem. They’re saying their hearts bleed when the anthem plays but their “patriotism” dies when greener pastures (read dollars) call out to them.

But no, you can’t point that out, because not standing up for the national anthem is unpatriotic. Leaving your motherland for better opportunities and waiting with bated breaths for foreign citizenship is fine. I wonder what happens to their bleedings hearts when on paper they revoke all rights and sign away their allegiance to their motherland.

If someone, however, wants to leave the motherland in fear of this growing intolerance, then the unpatriotic flag is waved again.

Patriotism, as a trait, is pretty confusing.

When I was a student, I remember I was coming back from college in a Delhi Transport Corporation (DTC) bus and a man came and stood beside me, and deliberately kept pushing against me. When he tried to feel me up, I shouted, but not one person, not even one, offered me a seat or roughed up that man or even asked him to get off the bus. My students who travel by public transport tell me it’s still the same, and that no one bats an eyelid. How many of them stopped for Nirbhaya when she was bleeding to death?

They do not stand up for fellow citizens yet they bleed for the national anthem. Indian people are one of the worst tax defaulters in the world. They cheat and steal from their country, yet their heart bleeds for the national anthem.

How often have you seen a packet of chips being thrown out of an SUV? They litter, they spit and urinate on the streets, yet their heart bleeds for the national anthem.

One of my students once said to me,

“Ma’am wouldn’t this country be a much better place if people felt the same outrage for rape?”

My point being that there are better ways of showing your patriotism, than standing up for the national anthem or roughing someone up who doesn’t.

What reasons did the Muslim family have for not standing up at the Mumbai theatre on Monday?

Maybe they were just being lazy, maybe they didn’t want to stand with coke and popcorn in hand.

Does that mean they are any less patriotic than the hyperventilating zealots?

Maybe they don’t have a sense of belonging and they are not patriotic. I can think of many people who are not.

I can think of people in the Armed Forces Special Powers Acts (AFSPA) imposed regions who want to have nothing to do with this country.

I can think of that Dalit family which was paraded around naked. I can think of the Dalit children who are made to wash toilets or the Dalit women who are raped in villages and find no justice, or Muhammad Akhlaq’s son for that matter, or the children of the victims of Muzaffarnagar or Gujarat riots.

Will those people want to stand up for the national anthem? I love my national anthem, but that is because this country has treated me well.

I am what I am, because of the public institutions I studied in, because of the democratic space I grew up in, because of the legal system and judiciary that protected me, because of the beautiful constitution that gave me my rights.

But I can understand why some people might not feel the same way, the people who were kept out of this privilege, and were excluded from the development, the education system and the rights. And if they have no feeling of belonging for whatever reason, justified or not, can patriotism be forced down their throat?

Is it okay to resort to violence, verbal or otherwise?

Will that make him/her patriotic?

Another important question we must engage with is: Would it be such a big deal had the family not been Muslim?

Isn’t it this whole thing about asking members of certain communities to prove their patriotism?

But why does anyone have to prove it? Why is patriotism becoming a matter of authority, jingoism and rituals?

Why do we have to make a public display of it? Patriotism cannot be inspired with a stick or a threat.

Do you think the family which was humiliated left the theatre hall feeling more patriotic?

Obviously not.

Nationalism is something that comes from within. And it will come automatically when all citizens are treated equally, when there is love, harmony, and an effort to reduce poverty, starvation, gender violence, caste violence, and violence in border states.

When everyone is included in the development, everyone will have the feeling of belonging.

The law was broken on Monday in that Mumbai movie hall. Ask yourselves who was at fault – was it the law-abiding Muslim family who sat peacefully (there is no law that says it is a punishable offence to not stand up during the national anthem in a movie hall) or the people who threatened them and forced them to leave?

Forget about laws, what does your morality tell you? Is patriotism bigger than the ideals of humanity?

This post originally appeared on DailyOhere.

My country won’t stand up against rape, but I have to stand up for the national anthem? – The Express Tribune Blog
@nair @Khafee @GURU DUTT @MilSpec @SarthakGanguly @AUSTERLITZ @Water Car Engineer @third eye

What an idiotic argument. Rapes and other problem happens every where and this 5th columnist use that to not respect national anthem.

 

[Dash]

Complete bullshit article from only one point...These two are two totally unrelated items and need to be delt separately.

 

[nForce]

Pictures of a country that wont stand up against rape​

 

[baajey]

What an idiotic argument. Rapes and other problem happens every where and this 5th columnist use that to not respect national anthem.

I agree with ur logic.
not standing up for national anthem (in movie theater) is way more grave a crime than rapes, arson , lootings etc.

 

[ravi kiran]

Total BS article and chutiya writer.

Forget about laws, what does your morality tell you? Is patriotism bigger than the ideals of humanity?

YES. bhad mai gayi humanity for me my motherland is above anything else.

 

[baajey]

Pictures of a country that wont stand up against rape​

these meaningless pics are nothing but meaningless.....these candle light vigils are for two days, and then back to usual. BS don't stop with candlelight vigils. period.

 

[Sky lord]

Is this woman seriously suggesting that Indians are not outraged by the Nirbhaya rape? Who was doing all those candlelight vigils and marches in every major city? Pakistanis tourists perhaps? Or perhaps she thinks that rape and sexual harassment does not occur anywhere except India?

Jeez. I don't think the tolerance brigade is going to leave us alone until Rahul becomes Emperor of India. And Zarvan us going to bring each and every article written by every Congressi and Marxist for thorough discussion on PDF, if it takes him every waking minute


The latest victims of the tolerance brigade are the NRI s ...the very people who left India for better opportunities abroad because after 60 years of rule by the Rahuls great grandfather, grandmother, father and their family retainers we still don't have enough opportunities for everyone at home.

 

[HariPrasad]

I agree with ur logic.
not standing up for national anthem (in movie theater) is way more grave a crime than rapes, arson , lootings etc.

Had you a choice of either doing rape, looting or stand for national anthem than I would have agreed with your argument. They both are not complementary event that either of the two can happen only. Very often the idiots and fifth columnist use this sort of argument to miss lead the people. So far as myself is concern, I will stand when the national anthem is sung and I will oppose rape, looting and all crimes as well. Now tell me what problem did you find with the stand I took.

As per your argument, If you you take a valid stand in one matter, that relieve you from taking a stand in all other matter. Since I oppose rape, I need not respect national anthem or even constitution or national flag. This is a typical moron argument.

There are N numbers of situation where you have to take moral stand. Taking a moral stand in one issue do not releave you from all other moral responsibilities.