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Not Hindus.

Their lunatic fringe, the Hindutvavadis
These Hindu nationalists have gone out of control. So what if students question the integrity of India. Whats the purpose of Kashmir or Assam or Tamil Nadu existing under one flag anyways?

So what if innocent leftist studends didn't questioned the previous governments that why Kashmir after decades have failed to integrate or what is blocking the development of Kashmir? Is it Article 370? Maybe maybe not. But lets not ask these questions in universities because we believe in 2 nation theory, that Hindus and Muslims can't live togethor. Lets not talk of Kashmiri Pandits because they are Brahmins, they are oppressors and we are seculars who don't let anyone suffer due to injustice, anyone. If a Hindu attacks a Christian, we won't ask that Hindu that why did you attack the Christian, its not good, instead we will slap him back and term 4 other Hindus intolerant standing nearby. Because we are secular progressive open minded secular liberal who are working for peace in the country and government in the power, the ugly Hindutvavadi fascist ultra nationalist government will keep trying to block our minds for asking questions, because they fear us, they fear justice, like they feared Afzal Guru, whose ambitions were shattered in 2001, and sealed in 2013 after his judicial killing under UPA. But don't worry, he may have died, we are still alive and so is his ambition.

You always need somebody to blame and you always end up blaming Hindus in the end we seen that in the past 10 years of UPA rule, how they want to create Hindu terror and wanted to pass the Communal Bill, where in any riot the Hindus will take the blame.We are not naive.
The problem is, intolerance might not be rising, but the perception is definately being created. And a citizen of know how of politics will say "are haan yaar intolerance badh to rahi hai".

Congress wants and so far have been, upto an extend successfull to show BJP as anti poor, anti farmer, anti Dalit, anti Christian, anti Muslim. They are polarising the country and accusing BJP for the same. Congress opposes anything what BJP does and that has made them predictable in their moves. No need to give any explaination to any hater, he will be more convinced that his hate is absolutly justified.
 
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Congress wants and so far have been, upto an extend successfull to show BJP as anti poor, anti farmer, anti Dalit, anti Christian, anti Muslim. They are polarising the country and accusing BJP for the same. Congress opposes anything what BJP does and that has made them predictable in their moves. No need to give any explaination to any hater, he will be more convinced that his hate is absolutly justified.
In doing this dissection and Polarizing Congress is adding more Hindus into the Hindutva base.Like i said before,Do insult Hindus and their religion and blame them for everything,more on the fence Neutral Hindus will join the Hindutva camp.How did you think in 10 years of UPA rule BJP was able to garner a Majority after 30 years? it has been building up its base slow and steady, while congress has been losing its position everyday, in Every state congress is number 3 they already gave up the top position to local parties or BJP.
Congress is clutching at straws as a last effort to come back.If they fare badly,which they will in 2019 Congress will see mass migration of its leaders into BJP as a result.
 
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You always need somebody to blame and you always end up blaming Hindus in the end we seen that in the past 10 years of UPA rule, how they want to create Hindu terror and wanted to pass the Communal Bill, where in any riot the Hindus will take the blame.We are not naive.

Not Hindus.

Their lunatic fringe, the Hindutvavadis.

No point in trying to get eyes moist by pretending that Hindus are being attacked in my posts. The Hindutvavadis like to pretend that they represent all Hindus. Fortunately, they don't.

In doing this dissection and Polarizing Congress is adding more Hindus into the Hindutva base.Like i said before,Do insult Hindus and their religion and blame them for everything,more on the fence Neutral Hindus will join the Hindutva camp.How did you think in 10 years of UPA rule BJP was able to garner a Majority after 30 years? it has been building up its base slow and steady, while congress has been losing its position everyday, in Every state congress is number 3 they already gave up the top position to local parties or BJP.
Congress is clutching at straws as a last effort to come back.If they fare badly,which they will in 2019 Congress will see mass migration of its leaders into BJP as a result.

12% core supporters + 15% impatient aspirants to economic success + 4% opportunists.
That's how. Now open your clenched fists and release the straw that you have been clutching.
 
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Not Hindus.

Their lunatic fringe, the Hindutvavadis.

No point in trying to get eyes moist by pretending that Hindus are being attacked in my posts. The Hindutvavadis like to pretend that they represent all Hindus. Fortunately, they don't.



12% core supporters + 15% impatient aspirants to economic success + 4% opportunists.
That's how. Now open your clenched fists and release the straw that you have been clutching.

So Do you represent Hindus? NO! This ploy of Dissecting Hindus and creating Hindutva as a different group is a old ploy of "Divide and Conquer" adopted by you 'Seculars' .Hindus see the game and are increasingly becoming aware.

All those statistics,did you forget the mushrooming of RSS Membership and many new outfits being formed.Congress is never going to come to power,face the reality.You can clutch those straws in desperation to stay afloat but its not going to help.
Everyday Congress base will be poached by local parties or BJP, that is a fact.
 
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These Hindu nationalists have gone out of control. So what if students question the integrity of India. Whats the purpose of Kashmir or Assam or Tamil Nadu existing under one flag anyways?

The tolerance of free speech that has been advocated extends to asking the first question? The second question is one that YOU have asked, and it is the same tolerance that is being extended to you.

So what if innocent leftist studends didn't questioned the previous governments that why Kashmir after decades have failed to integrate or what is blocking the development of Kashmir? Is it Article 370? Maybe maybe not. But lets not ask these questions in universities because we believe in 2 nation theory, that Hindus and Muslims can't live togethor. Lets not talk of Kashmiri Pandits because they are Brahmins, they are oppressors and we are seculars who don't let anyone suffer due to injustice, anyone.
  1. When the innocent leftist students and other innocent students ask previous governments why Kashmir, after decades, has failed to integrate, they do not expect an answer. That is because every government at the centre has connived at whittling down the autonomy of the state, as defined constitutionally, and has worked at rigging elections, to the point where opposition politicians left the arena of polls and took to armed insurgency.
  2. The innocent leftist students know that it is not about Article 370, that that Article has been whittled down by illegal use of the presidential power to extend the application of regulations and legislation not sanctioned or parallely adopted by the J&K legislature. If it was Article 370 blocking integration, then Kashmir would have integrated by now, assuming that the stupid not-a-student who raised the point was right in implying that Kashmir has not integrated, because Article 370 has been flouted from beginning to end.
  3. Nobody has raised the Two Nation Theory, except anti-nationals, not leftist students, but the real anti-nationals who keep asking people who don't agree with them to go to Pakistan.
  4. Everybody talks of Kashmiri Pandits, because it is easy to play to the gallery using them as material. Nobody talks about the solutions, and everybody, including the sneering hypocrites who raise this point, allows the worst killers, the Bittu Karates and the Yasin Maliks to walk around free all over, even while it shared government.
If a Hindu attacks a Christian, we won't ask that Hindu that why did you attack the Christian, its not good, instead we will slap him back and term 4 other Hindus intolerant standing nearby.

That doesn't happen. Instead, what happens is that if a Hindu attacks a Christian, the Christian had better not complain, because he or she is likely to be asked by the police what he or she has done to make a peace-loving Hindutvavadi scoundrel launch that attack. Then they will get slapped and asked not to break the peace again.

This is happening, and the latest instances were in the magistrates' courts where the JNUSU students were brought.

Because we are secular progressive open minded secular liberal who are working for peace in the country and government in the power, the ugly Hindutvavadi fascist ultra nationalist government will keep trying to block our minds for asking questions, because they fear us, they fear justice, like they feared Afzal Guru, whose ambitions were shattered in 2001, and sealed in 2013 after his judicial killing under UPA. But don't worry, he may have died, we are still alive and so is his ambition.

True. And there are some who think that this, not what they did, is an indictment.

The problem is, intolerance might not be rising, but the perception is definately being created. And a citizen of know how of politics will say "are haan yaar intolerance badh to rahi hai".

Of course, this is all superficial, and intolerance is not actually rising.

Wonderful.

No reasoning, no argument, just a surmise - "....intolerance might not be rising....", it cannot be ruled out - and then all the insinuations.

Lovely to see what can come out of a single concocted premise; whole mountains of arguments come to life.

Congress wants and so far have been, upto an extend successfull to show BJP as anti poor, anti farmer, anti Dalit, anti Christian, anti Muslim. They are polarising the country and accusing BJP for the same. Congress opposes anything what BJP does and that has made them predictable in their moves. No need to give any explaination to any hater, he will be more convinced that his hate is absolutly justified.

The Congress is a gangrened survivor on the political landscape. The BJP and the Parivar, trying to explain its steady erosion in the minds and hearts of the electorate, keeps flailing around for scapegoats, anything, anyone other than their own disastrous, anti-national policy and practices, and keep falling back, with complete bankruptcy of political analysis, onto the Congress.

It is amusing how they, the BJP and the Parivar, are in complete denial of their own self-destructive actions.

So Do you represent Hindus? NO!

Do you? You people are the ones who make these totally false claims.

This ploy of Dissecting Hindus and creating Hindutva as a different group is a old ploy of "Divide and Conquer" adopted by you 'Seculars' .Hindus see the game and are increasingly becoming aware.

Of course!

That is why the Parivar is so calm and undisturbed about the whole matter. Your posts are evidence enough of what is going on in these diseased, bigoted minds.

All those statistics,did you forget the mushrooming of RSS Membership and many new outfits being formed.Congress is never going to come to power,face the reality.You can clutch those straws in desperation to stay afloat but its not going to help.

Perhaps some Congress supporter might find these shrieks of pain entertaining. To the rest of us, who are sick of the daily abuse of the constitution and of the rule of law, these shrieks represent the anguish of the Sangh Parivar of losing their mandate so quickly, so thoroughly.

Everyday Congress base will be poached by local parties or BJP, that is a fact.

Good! half right is not so bad. And the BJP accretions beyond its base will revert to its old affiliations as they gauge the extent of the BJP's failure on the economic front.
 
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Do you? You people are the ones who make these totally false claims.



Of course!

That is why the Parivar is so calm and undisturbed about the whole matter. Your posts are evidence enough of what is going on in these diseased, bigoted minds.



Perhaps some Congress supporter might find these shrieks of pain entertaining. To the rest of us, who are sick of the daily abuse of the constitution and of the rule of law, these shrieks represent the anguish of the Sangh Parivar of losing their mandate so quickly, so thoroughly.



Good! half right is not so bad. And the BJP accretions beyond its base will revert to its old affiliations as they gauge the extent of the BJP's failure on the economic front.

Of course we do, the massive support we got for Ram Temple itself tells you who Hindus rally after.

From a 2 MP of Jan Sangh times to a Total Majority we come a long way,while congress came down to 44 seats from a total majority, if you cannot see the erosion then no point in asking to see.

Shrieks of pain coming from congress trying to live with a cancerous body. The country is moving in a different path away from Nehrus Secularism, and reclaiming its soul back which is Hindusim your old guard is done,you might not like the new winds of change happening in the country,because you are used to appeasement and being bullied by Minorities, all you did in past 68 years was make the minority rule over majority and kiss their butts and the Majority had enough of that nonsense.The youth are reasserting themselves as not Seculars, because that is the tag you tried to give them by labeling Hindus as Communal. Good luck with your Double edged sword approach. ;)
 
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Your like list says it all. What you are is plain from that list. Nothing more is needed.



Not Hindus.

Their lunatic fringe, the Hindutvavadis.
You make no sense to me as well as your masters.
 
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The tolerance of free speech that has been advocated extends to asking the first question? The second question is one that YOU have asked, and it is the same tolerance that is being extended to you.
I think you took my comment in the wrong way sir. I totally agree with you.
When the innocent leftist students and other innocent students ask previous governments why Kashmir, after decades, has failed to integrate, they do not expect an answer. That is because every government at the centre has connived at whittling down the autonomy of the state, as defined constitutionally, and has worked at rigging elections, to the point where opposition politicians left the arena of polls and took to armed insurgency.
Sir, i didn't knew that opposition is causing terrorist attacks in Kashmir, but its true, then its absolutely sickening. If rigging of election is true then opposition must raise this in parliament. BJP alliance in Kashmir is recent one. Congress and NC are equally guilty in terrorism and rigging of elections, but they are forgivable, atleast they care for the minories.
The innocent leftist students know that it is not about Article 370, that that Article has been whittled down by illegal use of the presidential power to extend the application of regulations and legislation not sanctioned or parallely adopted by the J&K legislature. If it was Article 370 blocking integration, then Kashmir would have integrated by now, assuming that the stupid not-a-student who raised the point was right in implying that Kashmir has not integrated, because Article 370 has been flouted from beginning to end.
Then Article 370 must be implemented as soon as possible.
Nobody has raised the Two Nation Theory, except anti-nationals, not leftist students, but the real anti-nationals who keep asking people who don't agree with them to go to Pakistan.
Ignore that, nobody raised 2 nation theory here, except me which makes me anti-national.
Everybody talks of Kashmiri Pandits,
But sir i was talking about leftist student in universities, nonetheless, its not clear whether Kashmiri Pandits were forced out or they went out themselves to blame Muslims.
That doesn't happen. Instead, what happens is that if a Hindu attacks a Christian, the Christian had better not complain, because he or she is likely to be asked by the police what he or she has done to make a peace-loving Hindutvavadi scoundrel launch that attack. Then they will get slapped and asked not to break the peace again.
Ok agreed. I guess its got to do with the Hindu mentality. But whats the solution?
True. And there are some who think that this, not what they did, is an indictment.
Atleast something you agreed upon.
Of course, this is all superficial, and intolerance is not actually rising.

Wonderful.

No reasoning, no argument, just a surmise - "....intolerance might not be rising....", it cannot be ruled out - and then all the insinuations.

Lovely to see what can come out of a single concocted premise; whole mountains of arguments come to life.
Well everyone sees things through his own eyes. I can honestly say there is no such change around where i reside. But if you are saying, you must be experiencing it around you.
The Congress is a gangrened survivor on the political landscape. The BJP and the Parivar, trying to explain its steady erosion in the minds and hearts of the electorate, keeps flailing around for scapegoats, anything, anyone other than their own disastrous, anti-national policy and practices, and keep falling back, with complete bankruptcy of political analysis, onto the Congress.

It is amusing how they, the BJP and the Parivar, are in complete denial of their own self-destructive actions.
BJP was so good in times Atal Behari Vajpayee. It might be because of Modi that there has been rise of intolerance in the party as well as in the country. Now i understand why every BJP supporter is an extremist Hindu. Congress is looking strong, it will come in power for next term for sure.

I wish, and i really wish that only truth prevails.

Of course we do, the massive support we got for Ram Temple itself tells you who Hindus rally after.

From a 2 MP of Jan Sangh times to a Total Majority we come a long way,while congress came down to 44 seats from a total majority, if you cannot see the erosion then no point in asking to see.

Shrieks of pain coming from congress trying to live with a cancerous body. The country is moving in a different path away from Nehrus Secularism, and reclaiming its soul back which is Hindusim your old guard is done,you might not like the new winds of change happening in the country,because you are used to appeasement and being bullied by Minorities, all you did in past 68 years was make the minority rule over majority and kiss their butts and the Majority had enough of that nonsense.The youth are reasserting themselves as not Seculars, because that is the tag you tried to give them by labeling Hindus as Communal. Good luck with your Double edged sword approach. ;)
It all started with supporting freedom of speech for saperatism under a political party in an university which claims to have changed the world around. And one can go any extent to prove he is right, that his stand is right. We have seen Congress doing the same.

But between all this, i wonder do we have a single vision as a country or that too keeps changing with changing parties at the center.
 
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I think you took my comment in the wrong way sir. I totally agree with you.

Please then consider my remarks withdrawn, and an apology extended.

Sir, i didn't knew that opposition is causing terrorist attacks in Kashmir, but its true, then its absolutely sickening. If rigging of election is true then opposition must raise this in parliament. BJP alliance in Kashmir is recent one. Congress and NC are equally guilty in terrorism and rigging of elections, but they are forgivable, atleast they care for the minories.

There is a possible misunderstanding here.

The opposition people referred to in my post were Islamists, and not either the PDP or the NC, leave alone the Dalit Panthers or the BJP. They were a minority, but they stood for election, and found to their consternation that the polls had been rigged. This was the infamous Farooq Abdullah elections.

As for rigging, Lyngdoh and Seshan made massive changes to the character of elections in India, especially in the state of Bihar, but they failed to have an impact on J&K because there were always bureaucrats in the central government who convinced their ministers that bringing in a pro-India team was desirable. This was wrong because the artificially victorious team were seen to be stooges and puppets, and had no credibility.

You mentioned the Congress and the National Conference. Each, in its own way, led to the degradation of democracy in its area of operations. Both are dynastic parties with nothing to recommend them any more. The BJP-PDP alliance hasn't done much harm yet.

Then Article 370 must be implemented as soon as possible.

I believe that you are suggesting that violative measures should be rolled back, and the state of autonomy prevalent in 1947 should be restored. That is an entirely correct position.

Ignore that, nobody raised 2 nation theory here, except me which makes me anti-national.

I have no comment.

But sir i was talking about leftist student in universities, nonetheless, its not clear whether Kashmiri Pandits were forced out or they went out themselves to blame Muslims.

There is no doubt that they were the targets of a vicious, communal campaign, and that this led to the practical destruction of Kashmiriyat.

Ok agreed. I guess its got to do with the Hindu mentality. But whats the solution?

Sir, if I knew the solution, I would be standing for election. Besides, I was NOT talking about the Hindu mentality. There is NOTHING wrong with the Hindu mentality. There is, on the other hand, a lot wrong with the Hindutvavadi mentality, and it is that which is anti-national and needs to be combated.

Atleast something you agreed upon.

English is clearly a foreign language to us south Asians.

Well everyone sees things through his own eyes. I can honestly say there is no such change around where i reside. But if you are saying, you must be experiencing it around you.

I agree that English is clearly a foreign language.....

BJP was so good in times Atal Behari Vajpayee. It might be because of Modi that there has been rise of intolerance in the party as well as in the country. Now i understand why every BJP supporter is an extremist Hindu. Congress is looking strong, it will come in power for next term for sure.

I wish, and i really wish that only truth prevails.

No doubt you are sincere and honest in all that you write. It is definite from your transparent attitude that you are NOT being sarcastic or using irony. What a pleasure to see such a resplendent display of honesty.
 
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It is an open secret that zee news senior editor Sudhir Chaudary enjoys X category security for boot licking BJP government.
Hi , just saw this in passing, I am not reading the whole thread, so apologies in advance if this was in response to some detailed argument - but come again - why would anybody need x category security for openly supporting a democratically elected government?

That sounds a little sinister- in your opinion is there some mafia types who are going around killing people who support the government?
 
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Please then consider my remarks withdrawn, and an apology extended.
I apologise sir.
The opposition people referred to in my post were Islamists, and not either the PDP or the NC, leave alone the Dalit Panthers or the BJP. They were a minority, but they stood for election, and found to their consternation that the polls had been rigged. This was the infamous Farooq Abdullah elections.
Now this is the problem. We are suppresing the voices of Islamists and acting innocent in front of the world. This is the real problem.
As for rigging, Lyngdoh and Seshan made massive changes to the character of elections in India, especially in the state of Bihar, but they failed to have an impact on J&K because there were always bureaucrats in the central government who convinced their ministers that bringing in a pro-India team was desirable. This was wrong because the artificially victorious team were seen to be stooges and puppets, and had no credibility.
Indian republic, by rigging elections is not letting the naives of Kashmir have a say, and that is the reason traitors are born here unlike great democracies USA, England, Australia. We are trying to forge an artificial history. And this is the reason they retaliating and killing people in Mumbai, etc. which is although equally condemnable, but justified. If this is for what Indian Army is situated in Kashmir, then Indians are equally commiting crime by paying taxes for their weapons. But why after rigging any Indian party won election in Kashmir in full majority?
The BJP-PDP alliance hasn't done much harm yet.
Its hard to believe, BJP led by a Hindu extremist is not causing any trouble in Kashmir. It might need more coverage. But its also possible PDP is not letting them.
, communal campaign, and that this led to the practical destruction of Kashmiriyat.
Untill fully proven, you can't give Pandits clean chit. We all know about the mentallity of these Brahmins.
Sir, if I knew the solution, I would be standing for election. Besides, I was NOT talking about the Hindu mentality. There is NOTHING wrong with the Hindu mentality. There is, on the other hand, a lot wrong with the Hindutvavadi mentality, and it is that which is anti-national and needs to be combated.
Sir, Hindutva, Hindu is same, what do you want to convey exactly.
I agree that English is clearly a foreign language
No, seriously, nothing at all changed around me. Have friends from almost all religions. But i also agree with you that I might be the only one not experiencing intolerance.
No doubt you are sincere and honest in all that you write. It is definite from your transparent attitude that you are NOT being sarcastic or using irony. What a pleasure to see such a resplendent display of honesty.
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I apologise sir.


Now this is the problem. We are suppresing the voices of Islamists and acting innocent in front of the world. This is the real problem.

Unfortunately, sarcasm apart, there is no constitutional ban on Islamists, just as there is no constitutional ban on Hindutvavadis.

You also misunderstood the issue, probably because you were too busy trying to get just the right element of delicious sarcasm into your posts to read what you were replying. The Islamists were suppressed not because they were Islamists, but because they were likely to win against the NC. India did not suppress Islamists, and India did not seek to act innocent.

Indian republic, by rigging elections is not letting the naives of Kashmir have a say, and that is the reason traitors are born here unlike great democracies USA, England, Australia.

If you stopped trying for effect, and read what you wrote, it might help.

We are trying to forge an artificial history. And this is the reason they retaliating and killing people in Mumbai, etc. which is although equally condemnable, but justified. If this is for what Indian Army is situated in Kashmir, then Indians are equally commiting crime by paying taxes for their weapons. But why after rigging any Indian party won election in Kashmir in full majority?

What else do you expect, after rigging? Whatever your first three sentences meant.

Its hard to believe, BJP led by a Hindu extremist is not causing any trouble in Kashmir. It might need more coverage. But its also possible PDP is not letting them.

My suggestion is that you go there immediately and straighten out the situation.

Untill fully proven, you can't give Pandits clean chit. We all know about the mentallity of these Brahmins.

An interesting point of view.

Sir, Hindutva, Hindu is same, what do you want to convey exactly.

Nothing much. I have to correct 40 papers, am not looking forward to it, so am shirking work by indulging some arsehole on the forum.

No, seriously, nothing at all changed around me. Have friends from almost all religions. But i also agree with you that I might be the only one not experiencing intolerance.

Ah, I can help you there. Please don't hesitate to call on me, whenever you feel in urgent need of some intolerance. It can be administered both by hydraulic and by pneumatic means.


Yes.
 
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Unfortunately, sarcasm apart, there is no constitutional ban on Islamists, just as there is no constitutional ban on Hindutvavadis.
No, sir no sarcasm. Maybe we can ban them only after we can properly define them. And i hope the Islamists you are talking about here are the same Islamists you talked below.
You also misunderstood the issue, probably because you were too busy trying to get just the right element of delicious sarcasm into your posts to read what you were replying. The Islamists were suppressed not because they were Islamists, but because they were likely to win against the NC. India did not suppress Islamists, and India did not seek to act innocent.
No but Indian Republic indeed suppressed the majority of voices who supported Islamists, same Islamists who were about to win the elections but due to rigging, they lost.
If you stopped trying for effect, and read what you wrote, it might help.
No, i know what i wrote, instead of looking the situation as a nationalist, we must see the situation throught the prism of humanism, like all the great democracies of the world such as USA, Britain, Australia does.
What else do you expect, after rigging? Whatever your first three sentences meant.
When you lie to your own nation, there are few person born, who see things like how a human must see, and we make them traitors, anti nationals. We should allow them to think independently, not as a nationalist, but as a human, and not only let them organise cultural events as a formality like hypocrites which we are doing since past decades, but listen to them and act upon it as well. Otherwise those cultural events are a waste.
My suggestion is that you go there immediately and straighten out the situation.
I wish i could, but i fear i will be termed anti national, terrorist or probably get killed by Indian Army.
n interesting point of view.
You should look into it.
Nothing much. I have to correct 40 papers, am not looking forward to it, so am shirking work by indulging some arsehole on the forum.
No sir, please, i refuse to come down to your level. Lets talk in civilized manner. If you allow me, can i use this as a quote in future?
Ah, I can help you there. Please don't hesitate to call on me, whenever you feel in urgent need of some intolerance. It can be administered both by hydraulic and by pneumatic means.
I get your point sir.
No. If we refuse intolerance you don't agree, then if we agree fine, you call it sarcasm.
 
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