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[Hamartia Antidote]

It's not because Americans don't like bullet trains, it's because Americans don't have the luxury to try one in the first place.

US ambassdor to China very much impressed train from Beijing to Wuhuan on a bullet train.The distance between Beijing and Wuhan is 1100KM, The whole journey takes 4 hours by this bullet train.

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Nobody thinks bullet trains aren’t impressive.

It just isn’t practical to shoehorn in developed countries like the US where the cost to buyout the land and implement this nationwide would likely be in the $Trillions. The median home sales
price in the US is over $400,000. Multiply that to crisscross the country and it gets prohibitively expensive.

We aren’t a nation of poor farmers who can simply
be offered some new modern high rise apartment in exchange for their old farm shack.

You keep harping on this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over but the problem is you simply can’t visualize what living in a developed country actually means.

It’s like trying to cut a new swath through the middle of Beijing in 2022. The cost to payoff people wouldn’t be worth it.

 

[beijingwalker]

Nobody thinks bullet trains aren’t impressive.

It just isn’t practical to shoehorn in developed countries like the US where the cost to buyout the land and implement this nationwide would likely be in the $Trillions. The median home sales
price in the US is over $400,000. Multiply that to crisscross the country and it gets prohibitively expensive.

We aren’t a nation of poor farmers who can simply
be offered some new modern high rise apartment in exchange for their old farm shack.

If you own an apartment in urban city, the money you get if you sell it can easily buy you a big single house in the suburbs or the countryside, but extremely few Chinese would trade their city home for a big house and yard, cause city is the place where they can make money, tell me one country which is highly develop while not having many big cities, cities are the engine of development, declining cities mean delining countries.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

If you own an apartment in urban city, the money you get if you sell it can easily buy you a big single house in the suburbs or the countryside, but extremely few Chinese would trade their city home for a big house and yard, cause city is the place where they can make money, tell me one country which is highly develop while not having many big cities, cities are the engine of development, declining cities mean delining countries.

You keep screaming at me in other threads that China isn’t like the US so don’t push what we feel is the correct way of living on the Chinese people.

As has been noted in this thread it just isn’t practical to have Chinese live a US lifestyle of single family homes due to land issues…which sounds logical and I can accept it as a valid answer.

However when it comes to the opposite case of what you think is the correct way of living is and trying to say the US should do it…you are being hypocritically stubborn in not accepting the fact that we are not China and we don’t want what China is doing.

Why do you keep crying that China isn’t the US so I should stop trying to make China conform to what the US feels Is the norm…yet over and over and over you keep bringing up things like cities and HSR and saying this should be the US norm and we should be following China…even when I post facts saying this is exactly what we don’t want or that it is impractical??

You are like a broken record player that @Mista pointed out. You keep rehashing the same arguments over and over and over saying the US should be like China and then angrily saying stop expecting China be like the US.

Can you just read this and let it sink into you head?

https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o

 

[beijingwalker]

You keep screaming at me in other threads that China isn’t like the US so don’t push what we feel is the correct way of living on the Chinese people.

As has been noted in this thread it just isn’t practical to have Chinese live a US lifestyle of single family homes due to land issues…which sounds logical and I can accept it as a valid answer.

However when it comes to the opposite case of what you think is the correct way of living is and try to say the US should do it…you are being hypocritically stubborn in not accepting the fact that we are not China and we don’t want what China is doing.

Why do you keep crying that China isn’t the US so I should stop trying to make China conform to what the US feels Is the norm…yet over and over and over you keep bringing up things like cities and HSR and saying this should be the US norm and we should be following China…even when I post facts saying this is exactly what we don’t want or that it is impractical??

You are like a broken record player that @Mista pointed out.

Can you just read this and let it sink into you head?

https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o

Because not every American thinks your way, I also have many Americans friends, most of them believe HSR is great if it can be built in US , the reason you don't see it maybe because you have never got the first hand experience on how good and conveinent HSR is. Besides you keep saying that Americans are moving out of cities so the government doesn't even care about building up or even maintaining the current US cities, I just wonder how much of it is true, how can one country develops into the future with dying cities? is that really possible?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Nobody thinks bullet trains aren’t impressive.

It just isn’t practical to shoehorn in developed countries like the US where the cost to buyout the land and implement this nationwide would likely be in the $Trillions. The median home sales
price in the US is over $400,000. Multiply that to crisscross the country and it gets prohibitively expensive.

We aren’t a nation of poor farmers who can simply
be offered some new modern high rise apartment in exchange for their old farm shack.

You keep harping on this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over but the problem is you simply can’t visualize what living in a developed country actually means.

It’s like trying to cut a new swath through the middle of Beijing in 2022. The cost to payoff people wouldn’t be worth it.

so how could Japan do it? Real estate in Japan is cheaper than random piece of desert in Texas?

Because not every American thinks your way, I also have many Americans friends, most of them believe HSR is great if it can be built in US , the reason you don't see it maybe because you have never got the first hand experience on how good and conveinent HSR is. Besides you keep saying that Americans are moving out of cities so the government doesn't even care about building up or even maintaining the current US cities, I just wonder how much of it is true, how can one country develops into the future with dying cities? is that really possible?

he is a NIMBY. They are very common in many parts of the US. they are actively anti-development. it is a very strange mentality.

the rest is just hard copium. "oh it's OK that the nearby cities look like shit and spread crime around, because it's just subhumans who live there" "I don't like transit because I would rather do unpaid labor of driving myself and spending $7 a gallon on gas". That is literally his logic.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Because not every American thinks your way, I also have many Americans friends, most of them believe HSR is great if it can be built in US , the reason you don't see it maybe because you have never got the first hand experience on how good and conveinent HSR is.

Would you just answer one question. Do you think it is practical for the Chinese government to re-route a brand new above ground 2 way HSR line straight down the middle of Beijing?

There has to be a cost/benefit reason to add a line. You just can’t build one because a few people on one side of Beijing really like visiting an ice cream shop on the other side of Beijing.

In the US you are going to have to identify a need with a sufficient ridership potential that an HSR line could solve. Remember the US has only 1/4 of the population of China so finding a need to make it practical monetarily is a big issue.

China with its massive population of eager users and lower percentage of car ownership is almost $1Trillion in the red due to HSR so we have no plans on following your footsteps if we can’t identify a need and we dont even have eager users.

China Railway's debt nears $900bn under expansion push

Support to boost economy drives state high-speed train operator deeper into red

asia.nikkei.com

Besides you keep saying that Americans are moving out of cities so the government doesn't even care about building up or even maintaining the current US cities, I just wonder how much of it is true, how can one country develops into the future with dying cities? is that really possible?

There are 20,000 cities in the US. However many of them wouldn’t fit your definition of a city. Many are mostly single family homes with a low density. Think Cupertino where Apple Computer is with a population of 70,000.

This is the type of city Americans like…basically a suburb that is now classified as a city. They don’t like living in dense cities built up over 120 years ago where the majority of the residences are multi family buildings (like NYC) which is what the majority of living spaces in Chinese cities are.

https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o

 

[beijingwalker]

Would you just answer one question. Do you think it is practical for the Chinese government to re-route a brand new above ground 2 way HSR line straight down the middle of Beijing?

There has to be a cost/benefit reason to add a line. You just can’t build one because a few people on one side of Beijing really like visiting an ice cream shop on the other side of Beijing.

In the US you are going to have to identify a need with a sufficient ridership potential that an HSR line could solve. Remember the US has only 1/4 of the population of China so finding a need to make it practical monetarily is a big issue.

China with its massive population of eager users and lower percentage of car ownership is almost $1Trillion in the red due to HSR so we have no plans on following your footsteps if we can’t identify a need and we dont even have eager users.

China Railway's debt nears $900bn under expansion push

Support to boost economy drives state high-speed train operator deeper into red

asia.nikkei.com

There are 20,000 cities in the US. However many of them wouldn’t fit your definition of a city. Many are mostly single family homes with a low density. Think Cupertino where Apple Computer is with a population of 70,000.
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This is the type of city Americans like…basically a suburb that is now classified as a city. They don’t like living in dense cities built up over 120 years ago where the majority of the residences are multi family buildings (like NYC) which is what the majority of living spaces in Chinese cities are.

https://www.builderonline.com/money/economics/80-percent-of-americans-prefer-single-family-homeownership_o

Actually most of China's HSR lines are losing money, China likes to see the big picture, meaning the massive secondary benefits that the HSR may bring to the local economies, China doesn't really expcet to make money from HSR operation itself.
Infrastructure does cost lots of money, but if US didn't spend astronomical amount of money on waging wars and maintaining military presence around the world, the money saved can easily cover all the infras upgrade US needs.

 

[flowerfan2020]

You're posting propaganda articles every day,while you rarely take part in other discussions. The only logical explanation,is that you're here to promote China through the Party's eyes. And you might also be getting a few Yuan for that. Even if you're not,you have to understand and realize,it's ridiculous.

If you don't like the post, don't come in. Idiot. At least he is not posting some anti-U.S like some of those stupid posters paid to post anti-China posts every day.

 

[beijingwalker]

The problem for US government is they can only see what's right in front of their nose, but Chinese government plannings are often designed with an eye for 20, 30 and even 50 years, once the target is made, nothing can stop China's relentless pursuit of the goal until she gets it.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The problem for US government is they can only see what's right in front of their nose, but Chinese government plannings are often designed with an eye for 20, 30 and even 50 years, once the target is made, nothing can stop China's relentless pursuit of the goal until she gets it.

Your HSR expenses are just going to go up with age not down. Whatever yearly expenses you are incurring now with a new system are just going get worse when the infrastructure starts aging rapidly.

 

[Foinikas]

If you don't like the post, don't come in. Idiot. At least he is not posting some anti-U.S like some of those stupid posters paid to post anti-China posts every day.

Hasn't he posted anti-US threads?

 

[beijingwalker]

Hasn't he posted anti-US threads?

This is not a anti US thread, the girl in OP video is not even an American.

Your HSR expenses are just going to go up with age not down. Whatever yearly expenses you are incurring now with a new system are just going get worse when the infrastructure starts aging rapidly.

The economic benefits that HSR brings to the local economy can easily cover this cost and China does have enough money to subsidize not only HSR, but also many other public sectors. If you guys spend less money on wars and killings, you can afford them too.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Chinese wife in Bharat learning desi customs..

These folks do racism with cows as well not black or brown only white.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

This is not a anti US thread, the girl in OP video is not even an American.


The economic benefits that HSR brings to the local economy can easily cover this cost and China does have enough money to subsidize not only HSR, but also many other public sectors. If you guys spend less money on wars and killings, you can afford them too.

So you want us to build an HSR system which will make 100’s of thousands angry because the government will have to eminent domain their property and pay them fair compensation which will likely run into the hundreds of billions. We then actually have to build the system which will cost billions. Then it is highly likely that it will have to be subsidized since being profitable isn’t even possible for China with their eager train users and high population. Then we will have to deal with future track maintenance and replacement costs.

This is for a public that feels airplane travel is the way to go since it is faster than trains?

You don’t see a problem with this?

 

[beijingwalker]

So you want us to build an HSR system which will make 100’s of thousands angry because the government will have to eminent domain their property and pay them fair compensation which will likely run into the hundreds of billions. We then actually have to build the system which will cost billions. Then it is highly likely that it will have to be subsidized since being profitable isn’t even possible for China with their eager train users and high population. Then we will have to deal with future track maintenance and replacement costs.

This is for a public that feels airplane travel is the way to go since it is faster than trains?

You don’t see a problem with this?

The only problem I see is you spend way more than this money on wars and military.