Muzzling Speech in Bangladesh

[fallstuff]

what portion of the population they are is hard to say but you know very well it is not insignificant. but the fact is inconvenient for a certain section of a population radicalized on a mythical narrative that they consider holy.

without India's invasion, what would have taken much longer? if a majority region (East Pakistan) wanted to separate from a less-than-majority region (West Pakistan), a military government-especially one based in the minority region-could not have gone against it. if East Pakistanis voiced any demand to separate from West Pakistanis, there could be an amicable settlement as it would have been the choice of the majority of the people of East Pakistan, or even that of entire United Pakistan. in that case, West Pakistanis would not have an interest to go against entire East Pakistan and force a union between the two. there could be an amicable separation between the two Pakistans broadly with each having its own governance.

the problem was that East Pakistani masses never entertained such idea of separation, and let alone being under Indian occupation. however, such ideas were actively worked on by small radical elements within or associated with Pakistan Awami League who were ideologically against the formation of a Muslim nation and logistically supported by Indian intelligence. the activities of those radical elements posed a national security threat to East Pakistan from India. what is important is the majority of East Pakistan population did not even entertain separating from West Pakistan, much less being under Indian occupation, and even much less transforming itself into something other than East Pakistan.

unless Bangladesh is an unofficial Indian territory, the remnants of those radical elements cannot have any place in Bangladesh at present.

When military was unleashed by the minority folks that is pretty much where negotiation ended, in other words you can't talk to people that are shooting at you.

What has happened id inevitable, the two parts were just not meant to be together separated by a thousand miles.

 

[bongbang]

what portion of the population they are is hard to say but you know very well it is not insignificant. but the fact is inconvenient for a certain section of a population radicalized on a mythical narrative that they consider holy.

without India's invasion, what would have taken much longer? if a majority region (East Pakistan) wanted to separate from a less-than-majority region (West Pakistan), a military government-especially one based in the minority region-could not have gone against it. if East Pakistanis voiced any demand to separate from West Pakistanis, there could be an amicable settlement as it would have been the choice of the majority of the people of East Pakistan, or even that of entire United Pakistan. in that case, West Pakistanis would not have an interest to go against entire East Pakistan and force a union between the two. there could be an amicable separation between the two Pakistans broadly with each having its own governance.

the problem was that East Pakistani masses never entertained such idea of separation, and let alone being under Indian occupation. however, such ideas were actively worked on by small radical elements within or associated with Pakistan Awami League who were ideologically against the formation of a Muslim nation and logistically supported by Indian intelligence. the activities of those radical elements posed a national security threat to East Pakistan from India. what is important is the majority of East Pakistan population did not even entertain separating from West Pakistan, much less being under Indian occupation, and even much less transforming itself into something other than East Pakistan.

unless Bangladesh is an unofficial Indian territory, the remnants of those radical elements cannot have any place in Bangladesh at present.

 

[khair_ctg]

When military was unleashed by the minority folks that is pretty much where negotiation ended, in other words you can't talk to people that are shooting at you.

What has happened id inevitable, the two parts were just not meant to be together separated by a thousand miles.

you are again using the same fallacy to justify Indian invasion and colonization of Muslim Bengal.

if the two Pakistan wings were not meant to be under one government, WHY WAS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE WAS FOR ONE TO BE OCCUPIED BY INDIA? do you really think what happened was separation? it was an invasion of the greater half of United Pakistan by India that basically cut up the union. it was an invasion of that half of United Pakistan where the seeds of Pakistan Movement were more prominent in the grassroots.

if West Pakistan was the one who initiated the separation of the two wings, why didn't at least East Pakistan stay as a separate country considering the very Pakistan movement and framework that led to the map of Bangladesh or a seperate Muslim state in Bengal in 1947?

India's invasion and ongoing proxy rule since explains that East Pakistan/Bengal as a separate state was not viable. even if East Pakistan got Calcutta, it would be different. knowing that, Muhammad Ali Jinnah had full backing for East Pakistan to include Calcutta, without which East Pakistan was founded as an economically dead region in 1947. East Pakistan needed support in various ways from West Pakistan to survive as sovereign from India. when the support was gone, India marched into the sovereign soil of East Pakistan that meant the death knell to the self-determination of Muslim Bengal (do you understand what this means?)

Operation Searchlight targeted extreme elements related to Awami League that was involved in various Indian-backed subversive activities. or you are retarded enough to say Punjabis went on wholesale massacre of Bengali Muslims for kicks? if yes, what were they trying to achieve? remember, the dard for protecting sovereignty of East Pakistan from India was supposed to be more among East Pakistanis, rather than among their Western brethren.

 

[fallstuff]

you are again using the same fallacy to justify Indian invasion and colonization of Muslim Bengal.

if the two Pakistan wings were not meant to be under one government, WHY WAS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE WAS FOR ONE TO BE OCCUPIED BY INDIA? do you really think what happened was separation? it was an invasion of the greater half of United Pakistan by India that basically cut up the union. it was an invasion of that half of United Pakistan where the seeds of Pakistan Movement were more prominent in the grassroots.

if West Pakistan was the one who initiated the separation of the two wings, why didn't at least East Pakistan stay as a separate country considering the very Pakistan movement and framework that led to the map of Bangladesh or a seperate Muslim state in Bengal in 1947?

India's invasion and ongoing proxy rule since explains that East Pakistan/Bengal as a separate state was not viable. even if East Pakistan got Calcutta, it would be different. knowing that, Muhammad Ali Jinnah had full backing for East Pakistan to include Calcutta, without which East Pakistan was founded as an economically dead region in 1947. East Pakistan needed support in various ways from West Pakistan to survive as sovereign from India. when the support was gone, India marched into the sovereign soil of East Pakistan that meant the death knell to the self-determination of Muslim Bengal (do you understand what this means?)

Operation Searchlight targeted extreme elements related to Awami League that was involved in various Indian-backed subversive activities. or you are retarded enough to say Punjabis went on wholesale massacre of Bengali Muslims for kicks? if yes, what were they trying to achieve? remember, the dard for protecting sovereignty of East Pakistan from India was supposed to be more among East Pakistanis, rather than among their Western brethren.

Keep it civil.

Once again these two parts were never meant to be to gather. The difference is more than just distance. Pakistan is better off as they are, Bangladesh is just fine as it is.

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[hunter_hunted]

Hasina didi kicking Bengalis since 1971 . You guys deserve it .... I think when you guys have nothing to show and nothing to do you start crying 1971.

@Imran Khan , Bengalis need a little education. Please teach them a lecture or two

 

[Zabaniyah]

you are again using the same fallacy to justify Indian invasion and colonization of Muslim Bengal.

if the two Pakistan wings were not meant to be under one government, WHY WAS THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE WAS FOR ONE TO BE OCCUPIED BY INDIA? do you really think what happened was separation? it was an invasion of the greater half of United Pakistan by India that basically cut up the union. it was an invasion of that half of United Pakistan where the seeds of Pakistan Movement were more prominent in the grassroots.

if West Pakistan was the one who initiated the separation of the two wings, why didn't at least East Pakistan stay as a separate country considering the very Pakistan movement and framework that led to the map of Bangladesh or a seperate Muslim state in Bengal in 1947?

India's invasion and ongoing proxy rule since explains that East Pakistan/Bengal as a separate state was not viable. even if East Pakistan got Calcutta, it would be different. knowing that, Muhammad Ali Jinnah had full backing for East Pakistan to include Calcutta, without which East Pakistan was founded as an economically dead region in 1947. East Pakistan needed support in various ways from West Pakistan to survive as sovereign from India. when the support was gone, India marched into the sovereign soil of East Pakistan that meant the death knell to the self-determination of Muslim Bengal (do you understand what this means?)

Operation Searchlight targeted extreme elements related to Awami League that was involved in various Indian-backed subversive activities. or you are retarded enough to say Punjabis went on wholesale massacre of Bengali Muslims for kicks? if yes, what were they trying to achieve? remember, the dard for protecting sovereignty of East Pakistan from India was supposed to be more among East Pakistanis, rather than among their Western brethren.

Cool story bro. Wanna hear mine?

Once upon a time, no one gave a $hit and lived happily ever after.

The end.

Hasina didi kicking Bengalis since 1971 . You guys deserve it .... I think when you guys have nothing to show and nothing to do you start crying 1971.

@Imran Khan , Bengalis need a little education. Please teach them a lecture or two

Hasina has been doing politics since the 90's. Where did she come from in 1971?

Go back to drinking my friend.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Cool story bro. Wanna hear mine?

Once upon a time, no one gave a $hit and lived happily ever after.

The end.



Hasina has been doing politics since the 90's. Where did she come from in 1971?

Go back to drinking my friend.

Exactly this is how much we care of Bangladesh ..... long live hasina didi

 

[khair_ctg]

Keep it civil.

Once again these two parts were never meant to be to gather. The difference is more than just distance. Pakistan is better off as they are, Bangladesh is just fine as it is.

I

the difference is as much as two parts of the same country/empire for hundreds and thousands of years are different. both Muslim Bengal and Muslim Punjab were part of the same country or successive empires.

the biggest difference is among Bengalis pre-1947 and Bengalis post-1971. Bengalis like you post-1971 say the most 'independent' Muslim Bengal can get is by getting India to invade and colonize us. Bengalis pre-1947 pioneered the very Pakistan movement in many ways that led to the existence of East Pakistan. basically Bengalis pre-1947 used to think like Muslims and Bengalis (like you) post-1971 think like non-Muslim Indian subjects.

would you really support seperation between the two Pakistans? or you support the East Pakistan to change into an Indian colony?

Cool story bro. Wanna hear mine?

Once upon a time, no one gave a $hit and lived happily ever after.

The end.

same here. but many more are and not just me who's finally starting to give a $hit

 

[Ammyy]

But u have to admit , in a war civilians also die. It was a viscous civil war and PAK army did have duplicitous characters in their leadership back then. But i personally think that the vast majority of the victims of PAK army were mukti bahini rebels and not civilians and PAK army lacked the ability to do the kind of mass slaughter attributed to them as the force was stretched too thin in a territory separated by more than a 1500 km of Indian landmass. They neither had a reason nor capability to do mass slaughter of civilians.

This is the reason normal Bangadeshi callling Jamati as terrorists, those who cant even respect their own freedom fighters.

And Mukti bahini had normal Bangladesh citizens who picked arms against genocide taking place in their country.

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

An incident, to which almost half century has passed. Almost all of its significant characters have passed away. Nothing can undo or correct the mistakes. Benefit of reading history is to learn from mistakes.
Having said this, it is the job of researchers and historians to bring out the authentic history to Pakistan and Bangladesh general population. We have been forced to believe and read history which India, Awami League and Peoples Party Pakistan are telling us.
One common thing between Mujib and Bhutto was that both were power hungry. This is the bottom line which lead to break up of Pakistan. I am sharing a recent interview, its in Urdu and recorded recently. It might clear up many things.
This interview is of Raja Anar Khan, a retired Police officer. In 1971, he was the security incharge of Sheikh Mujeeb, who was under arrest in Pakistan. Listen and learn.

 

[fallstuff]

the difference is as much as two parts of the same country/empire for hundreds and thousands of years are different. both Muslim Bengal and Muslim Punjab were part of the same country or successive empires.

the biggest difference is among Bengalis pre-1947 and Bengalis post-1971. Bengalis like you post-1971 say the most 'independent' Muslim Bengal can get is by getting India to invade and colonize us. Bengalis pre-1947 pioneered the very Pakistan movement in many ways that led to the existence of East Pakistan. basically Bengalis pre-1947 used to think like Muslims and Bengalis (like you) post-1971 think like non-Muslim Indian subjects.

would you really support seperation between the two Pakistans? or you support the East Pakistan to change into an Indian colony?

same here. but many more are and not just me who's finally starting to give a $hit

Calm down buddy, have a drink and chill !! BD under Hasina is like a cakewalk comparing to what her father did from 1972 to 1975. Hasina at some point will be a fading dot in the rear view mirror.

Pakistan was just a dream, it didn't work out.

Both nations have moved on, so should you.

 

[khair_ctg]

Calm down buddy, have a drink and chill !! BD under Hasina is like a cakewalk comparing to what her father did from 1972 to 1975. Hasina at some point will be a fading dot in the rear view mirror.

Pakistan was just a dream, it didn't work out.

Both nations have moved on, so should you.

Pakistan is a dream-come-true-come-dream for Bengali Muslims.

ongoing Indian proxy rule is the nightmare that we dreaded before 1947 that led us to form the Pakistan in Bengal.

when one of the Pakistans became Indian colony, stop pretending that the two Pakistans just separated and moved on. that is not what happened