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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/opinion/muzzling-speech-in-bangladesh.html?_r=0

Muzzling Speech in Bangladesh



The fine is modest, about $65, but the message from Bangladesh’s International Crimes Tribunal is ominous: anyone who challenges — however legitimately, however respectfully — the official number of three million people killed during the 1971 Bangladesh war for independence is guilty of contempt of court. The tribunal was created to try persons responsible for violations of international law during the war. David Bergman, whom the tribunal found in contempt of court on Dec. 2 and fined the equivalent of $65, is a respected journalist who lives in Bangladesh. Mr. Bergman attracted the court’s ire by reporting, as any good journalist should, disagreements over the number killed during the war. Mr. Bergman has been unwavering in his position that, whatever the exact number — estimates range from 300,000 to three million — crimes against humanity were committed and those responsible should be held accountable. But this is not enough for Bangladesh’s tribunal, which tolerates no questioning of the official number.

The court accuses Mr. Bergman of disgracing and demeaning “the nation’s wishes and holy emotion.” The court is wrong. It is the court’s attack on free speech, legitimate journalism and historical inquiry that disgraces and demeans Bangladesh’s struggling democracy. Journalism is a dangerous profession in Bangladesh. Local journalists have been physically attacked, and even killed, for reports that the government or Islamist extremists found offensive. Human Rights Watch and reporters for The Economist magazine have also been tried for contempt by the tribunal. In fact, the tribunal has set the bar for journalistic inquiry so low, and defined its terms so vaguely, that anyone who says or writes anything deemed to be offensive by the court’s arcane and arbitrary criteria is at risk of criminal charges. The result is a deep chill on freedom of expression and inquiry.

Citizens and residents of Bangladesh also have a right to an informed opinion and to express views that are fairly critical of official dictates. Journalists and scholars must be able to engage in legitimate inquiry into Bangladesh’s historical record without fear of punishment. If justice is truly what the International Crimes Tribunal seeks, it should immediately overturn Mr. Bergman’s sentence and conviction.

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This horrendous myth always had an impact on BD's political landscape. Indian dalals and awami thugs in the past used this myth to shut up any criticism of their devious role in 71. Now its a taboo to question awami version of history and the opposition (BNP) also had to make their version of 71 compatible with this mythical figure. political repercussions are serious if BD can't reconcile with facts of 71. Indo-awami myth regarding 71 needs to be debunked if BD is to move forward. There's is no going around it. I highly doubt the no. is even 300K. As for the ICT, its a awami circus show which people don't take seriously anymore.
 
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What about faking news by jamatis ? Especially comfortable ones sitting warm in western countries ? What's the fine for that ?
 
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Everyone feels proud in BD how they took arms against the then pak military and jamaati razakars, who started killing our people. And how the Muktis defeated and killed those power hungry people. And this stateless questioning about the devious role of AL in 71. :lol:
 
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300,000 is not a true result because in that calculation it stated that a genocide didn't take place.

Also Bangladesh isn't a democracy but rather a dictatorship under a woman who has done nothing but rode on her father's fame.
 
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300,000 is not a true result because in that calculation it stated that a genocide didn't take place.

Also Bangladesh isn't a democracy but rather a dictatorship under a woman who has done nothing but rode on her father's fame.

Whatever the figure is, the truth won't downplay the atrocities committed in 71 by PAK army. Even if a 1000 people died at the hands of PAK army that is also a genocide. But yeah it would also include the obvious atrocities (which may also be termed as genocide) committed against non-bengalis by the mukti bahini and AL cadres. Its better to stick to truth than building a nation on a pack of lies. The indo-awami propagated figure is making a mockery out of BD. Not that the ones who do politics with this myth even cares. The real history of 71 would be good for both BD and PAK in the long run, it may not be good for certain vested quarters of both countries but overall a fact based historical introspection is a must , specially for BD since PAK is not that affected by 71.
 
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Everyone feels proud in BD how they took arms against the then pak military and jamaati razakars, who started killing our people. And how the Muktis defeated and killed those power hungry people. And this stateless questioning about the devious role of AL in 71. :lol:
there are countless people in Bangladesh who are against the 1971 invasion by India, even though their families or themselves had voted for Awami League in 1970. even more people actually think this "3 million dead" figure is farce. what do you think of these people? do you consider them legitimate citizens of Bangladesh?
 
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there are countless people in Bangladesh who are against the 1971 invasion by India, even though their families or themselves had voted for Awami League in 1970. even more people actually think this "3 million dead" figure is farce. what do you think of these people? do you consider them legitimate citizens of Bangladesh?

They are legitimate citizen only when they justify the separation from Pakistan and believe in creation of Bangladesh.
 
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there are countless people in Bangladesh who are against the 1971 invasion by India, even though their families or themselves had voted for Awami League in 1970. even more people actually think this "3 million dead" figure is farce. what do you think of these people? do you consider them legitimate citizens of Bangladesh?

The people you are referring to are in minority, without India's involvement it would have taken much longer.

I do think the 3 million number is a myth. Nazis employing industrial scales managed to kill 6 million
Jews in 6 years, which is a good 5 more years than the war in Bangladesh. Documented mass Jewish graves and incinerators were found in many places in Europe, which is not the case in Bangladesh.
 
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Whatever the figure is, the truth won't downplay the atrocities committed in 71 by PAK army. Even if a 1000 people died at the hands of PAK army that is also a genocide. But yeah it would also include the obvious atrocities (which may also be termed as genocide) committed against non-bengalis by the mukti bahini and AL cadres. Its better to stick to truth than building a nation on a pack of lies. The indo-awami propagated figure is making a mockery out of BD. Not that the ones who do politics with this myth even cares. The real history of 71 would be good for both BD and PAK in the long run, it may not be good for certain vested quarters of both countries but overall a fact based historical introspection is a must , specially for BD since PAK is not that affected by 71.
what if, im not saying that im sure, but what if the ones who were killed by the Pak Army were Mukhti Bani people or Indians spies?
 
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what if, im not saying that im sure, but what if the ones who were killed by the Pak Army were Mukhti Bani people or Indians spies?

But u have to admit , in a war civilians also die. It was a viscous civil war and PAK army did have duplicitous characters in their leadership back then. But i personally think that the vast majority of the victims of PAK army were mukti bahini rebels and not civilians and PAK army lacked the ability to do the kind of mass slaughter attributed to them as the force was stretched too thin in a territory separated by more than a 1500 km of Indian landmass. They neither had a reason nor capability to do mass slaughter of civilians.
 
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But u have to admit , in a war civilians also die. It was a viscous civil war and PAK army did have duplicitous characters in their leadership back then. But i personally think that the vast majority of the victims of PAK army were mukti bahini rebels and not civilians and PAK army lacked the ability to do the kind of mass slaughter attributed to them as the force was stretched too thin in a territory separated by more than a 1500 km of Indian landmass. They neither had a reason nor capability to do mass slaughter of civilians.
although some officers of the PA were relieved from duty during the while 9 month period, but most of them because of looting, as for all the other things, it is clouded Mystery and i am nowadays reading different books so that i might be able to find something, currently i am looking for the Hamood Ur Rehman Commision Report.
 
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although some officers of the PA were relieved from duty during the while 9 month period, but most of them because of looting, as for all the other things, it is clouded Mystery and i am nowadays reading different books so that i might be able to find something, currently i am looking for the Hamood Ur Rehman Commision Report.

@ "Dil ki baat dil me raigai ", Well, I witnessed the whole process, though I was a small boy but yet I saw. In my "Thana " initially once the Pakistan Army came probably on 15/20 April 1971 they catch hold some of the Awami Leaque leaders, professors, lecturers in total 08 in number and on their way back bayoneted en-route. That was the first killing.After that I did not heard any mass killing. Well, at mid-night almost alternate days from 11 hours to 12 hours we used to hear lot of firing sound. Most of us believed that they used to kill Bengali's in these manner. May be that can be a night firing practice! Some times we used to see the flare signal. However, in the 3rd week of November 1971 once for a couple of days Pakistan Army was missing in our area some killing took place but later it was found that those were killed by the Bihares. Soon the Pakistan Army came back but after 6/7 days they went back again but never came. Later on we heard that in other sector once the India Army attacked with flagged, Pak Army withdrew and went to that sector for a limited time.
 
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The people you are referring to are in minority, without India's involvement it would have taken much longer.

I do think the 3 million number is a myth. Nazis employing industrial scales managed to kill 6 million
Jews in 6 years, which is a good 5 more years than the war in Bangladesh. Documented mass Jewish graves and incinerators were found in many places in Europe, which is not the case in Bangladesh.
what portion of the population they are is hard to say but you know very well it is not insignificant. but the fact is inconvenient for a certain section of a population radicalized on a mythical narrative that they consider holy.

without India's invasion, what would have taken much longer? if a majority region (East Pakistan) wanted to separate from a less-than-majority region (West Pakistan), a military government-especially one based in the minority region-could not have gone against it. if East Pakistanis voiced any demand to separate from West Pakistanis, there could be an amicable settlement as it would have been the choice of the majority of the people of East Pakistan, or even that of entire United Pakistan. in that case, West Pakistanis would not have an interest to go against entire East Pakistan and force a union between the two. there could be an amicable separation between the two Pakistans broadly with each having its own governance.

the problem was that East Pakistani masses never entertained such idea of separation, and let alone being under Indian occupation. however, such ideas were actively worked on by small radical elements within or associated with Pakistan Awami League who were ideologically against the formation of a Muslim nation and logistically supported by Indian intelligence. the activities of those radical elements posed a national security threat to East Pakistan from India. what is important is the majority of East Pakistan population did not even entertain separating from West Pakistan, much less being under Indian occupation, and even much less transforming itself into something other than East Pakistan.

unless Bangladesh is an unofficial Indian territory, the remnants of those radical elements cannot have any place in Bangladesh at present.
 
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