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Muslims should not apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings

French are an evil people. Just like the Indians. So it is justified for them to be attacked. China is a good country. We protect ourselves against Uighur separatism.

Does not matter what you think of China, what matters is what those you support share. And they share the same sentiment as your home grown terrorists. You made the bed little fella, now you get to sleep on it.
 
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Does not matter what you think of China, what matters is what those you support share. And they share the same sentiment as your home grown terrorists. You made the bed little fella, now you get to sleep on it.
Freedom fighters all know the West is evil and China is good for standing up to the West. So we will support them with mini nukes next time Paris or London.
 
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Nope, they didn't said all muslims are terrorists, they merely showed a person from 1400 years ago. If they said that all Muslims are terrorists and bad people, then it was racism. But if they show a certain someone from 1400 years ago, then it is expression of opinion.
That "certain someone" is not some Tom Dick or Harry but the Prophet (PBUH). Are you really a Muslim or someone hiding behind the Pakistani flags? Looks like another syed.ali.haider (or maybe same syed.ali.haider with yet another fake ID) taking roots in PDF.
 
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It remains a fact that Mohammad PBUH lived about 1400 years ago.
 
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They should apologize for the blood that is spilled in their name, but that will never happen, Muslims stay quite when innocents are slaughters in their name but they party when they see other who aren't Muslims killed.

Most deaths are Muslims killing other Muslims.
 
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Not apologizing lol what for the newspaper was idiotic ^_^ got exactly what it deserved slap in face

Don't mess with people's religion there is a appropriate time for jokes and cartoons and then there is time for no jokes
 
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;) Please keep Muslims in mind before you draw cartooons we are sensitive folks

And don't put a murderer like Natinyahu in front page he killed 2000 people in Palestine

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Does not matter what you think of China, what matters is what those you support share. And they share the same sentiment as your home grown terrorists. You made the bed little fella, now you get to sleep on it.
They are not home grown terrorists, they are American trained terrorists.
 
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I'm confused by your statement. When you say " What has muslims got to do with the death of some french islamophobic bigots? What happened in paris was just a criminal act under french law by certain individuals."

The above sounds clearly you think the act of killing someone over a disagreement or being religiously offended is okay.

How does it sound that i am ok with the act? Is it not just another criminal act under french law?

But then when you say " Why should the community be responsible for acts of individuals of that community?"

Now it sounds like you are saying that you don't feel personally responsible but don't agree with the act.

Why should a random BD/PAK or french muslims for that matter feel responsible for the act of another random individual who happen to be muslim? Many bigots r murdered everyday in US, do u personally feel responsible for those murders?

It should have been clear from the post that i don't agree with the act in paris as it clearly goes against Islam and does harm to the muslim community in EU. If it weren't for your false sense of victim-hood u wouldn't have written this post. Let me relieve u from the victim-hood mentality. I don't agree with act in paris. Happy?

I have a question for tough guys like you who think you were given the mantle of being the internet caliph of all things muslim .

I m not sure what that's suppose to mean?


What did your prophet do when he was insulted?

How do you think he would react to those terrorists and people like you who silently support them?. How do you think he would react to those who have taken his message and his religion as an excuse to be violent- if he was on this earth today?

Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was mocked in most vile manner during his life time , just like the prophets before him , as his enemies couldn't counter his teachings intellectually. But he and his companions always showed patience. With regard to Islam he never compromised with anyone , while at the same time set himself as an example of the highest moral character ever can be attained by any of Allah (swt) slaves. As a prophet he could never go down to the level of his enemies. Even those who murdered his own uncle were forgiven by him.

Muslims must follow the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as a role model and thus muslims specially in the west should persevere with patience and use any peaceful means to counter these insults. But that also includes not compromising with his/her religion , not being apologetic and having self respect. U can expect individual muslims to go out of their way to condemn the incident but U can't expect muslims to condone the acts of the racist bigots of charlie hedbo and sanction western version of "freedom of speech" mocking their religion and taking part in the million hypocrites march in paris. Its ludicrous on your part to expect such. @US_statedept_retired

And those not condemning it doesn't mean they support the act of random criminals. The either with us or against us mentality will only frustrate people like u.

Islam has nothing to do with the incident but muslims as a community in EU condemning the incident signifies something to the contrary. Hence its important that muslims either remain silent or give intelligent responses.
 
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So in other words you are supporting terrorism?

A bit slow, aren't you.......:)

Most deaths are Muslims killing other Muslims.

Usually not as straightforward. It's Sunni killing Shias (and to a lesser level, vice versa) or Ahmedis etc. All pretty much doing so because the other was either not Muslim or not Muslim enough.......
 
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Muslims should not apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings

Muslims should not apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings
Posted by 5 Pillarz
Muslims should not feel compelled to apologise for the Charlie Hebdo killings, write Jilani Gulam.

Have you apologised yet? Or better still have you condemned? Never mind what you are condemning, just condemn away because you are Muslim and you are to blame. This is the painful narrative and the very dangerous undertone that is now apparent and clear for all to see after recent events in France.

The backlash from the Charlie Hebdo killings has been blamed on Islam and Muslims in a much stronger way than previous incidents. The clamour for an apology seems to have grown stronger, and resonates with the entire society and social groups.

Why should Muslims apologise?

But why should Muslims apologise? Should the entire “community” of Muslims be held responsible for the actions of a few people?

Rupert Murdoch seems to think so, and he is by no means alone. Never mind the crude definition of “community”. It may come as a surprise to many bigoted Western commentators but Muslims are diverse. They don’t all share the same views and beliefs, and have major differences on a variety of issues. Yet funnily enough, this requirement to apologise rarely applies to other “communities”.

Should all Christians apologise for the several cases of child abuse by priests throughout the 70s and 80s? Should all journalists apologise for the phone hacking scandal? Perhaps all professional football players should apologise for Ched Evans’ rape conviction? In fact, since we are making broad generalisations, why shouldn’t all men apologise for Ched Evans?

Charlie Hebdo

But “Ah”, the bigoted commentator retorts. The Charlie Hebdo shootings were done in the name of Muhammad (saw) – it’s done in “your” name, so an apology is needed to clarify “your” position and that of Islam in general.

Yes, on face value, this appears to make the case stronger. However, such generalisations are intended to disarm Muslims and make them feel defensive.

Sweeping generalisations should often be viewed with skepticism due to the fact that they can be misleading. At least they should be viewed with scrutiny so as to prove that the general principle is true.

The fact in this case is that nobody actually knows the exact motivations of the attackers – there are only unverified statements from the scene of the attack. The attackers belong to an underclass of Algerian Muslims living in shocking conditions (more on this later) so motivations are often blurred and unclear.

Even if a case could be made, does that prove anything? Does it mean the rest of us have to apologise as well? It is similar to expecting an apology from the British people for the MP’s expenses scandal. After all, MPs speak on behalf of the British public right?

France

The reality is the Muslims have nothing to apologise for. We should be clear about that and raise our heads up high and repeat it; deliberately, slowly and with strength.

In fact, Muslims must not apologise or condemn. Not due to misplaced arrogance or lack of compassion but altogether for different reasons. This doesn’t mean we agree with actions committed by others nor that we hate all Westerners.

At its most fundamental level an apology glosses over major injustices that have happened against Muslims. Charlie Hebdo is hardly a neutral balanced publication. It has been provoking Muslims and other minorities for years. Those insisting on supporting the Je Suis Charlie (I am Charlie) campaign should ask themselves if this includes the cowardly edition that mocked the brave Muslims massacred by Egypt’s General Sisi after a rally (imagine the response if Muslim satirists responded by mocking the Charlie Hebdo dead) as well as the disturbing edition that mocked the victims of rape apparently committed by Boko Haram in Nigeria.

But at a deeper level it totally ignores France’s treatment of its Muslim minority. Banning the niqab, arresting those that pray the morning prayers at the mosque, restricting work in the public sector jobs for practicing Muslims, denial of social security, lack of employment and demonising them to such a state that parallels to Hitler’s treatment of Jews can be drawn.

It is as if these attacks are the start of the story, while the real backstory is conveniently glossed over.

Three reasons not to apologise

However, there are three very clear, practical reasons why Muslims should not apologise.

Firstly, an apology is an admission of guilt, which presupposes that we have done something wrong. This is a major problem since it implies that Islam caused atrocities to occur, and this is something that we simply cannot accept. It is our responsibility and obligation to clarify our position on this and refute the causal link.

Secondly, it then follows that either you change aspects of your beliefs to conform to the so-called “correct” values such as freedom of expression or leave them totally. Let us be clear, the attacks on Islam in light of Charlie Hebdo by the likes of Douglas Murray are designed to give credence to a set of apologists who have government-funded institutions designed to make Muslims question their beliefs. At worst Muslims feel they need to be quiet while others speak for them, and at worst Muslims start to change sacrosanct values.

Thirdly, it is used as a justification for a variety of other measures against Muslims. Both 9/11 and 7/7 precipitated a raft of legislation targeting Muslims, ironically curtailing their right to criticise Western foreign policy, as well as a host of quite targeted measures such as “stop and search” against them. There is very little evidence that these measures have prevented any attacks, and they have a low success rate. Only the naïve would think these laws would not be used exclusively against Muslims.

Not only should we explain and clarify our position, we should ensure that those that speak on our behalf don’t apologise for us either.

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how about Aisa Biwi .. sentenced to death for the same crime for which charlie hebdo was killed !
 
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How does it sound that i am ok with the act? Is it not just another criminal act under french law?



Why should a random BD/PAK or french muslims for that matter feel responsible for the act of another random individual who happen to be muslim? Many bigots r murdered everyday in US, do u personally feel responsible for those murders?

It should have been clear from the post that i don't agree with the act in paris as it clearly goes against Islam and does harm to the muslim community in EU. If it weren't for your false sense of victim-hood u wouldn't have written this post. Let me relieve u from the victim-hood mentality. I don't agree with act in paris. Happy?



I m not sure what that's suppose to mean?




Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was mocked in most vile manner during his life time , just like the prophets before him , as his enemies couldn't counter his teachings intellectually. But his response was always an intellectual one. He never compromised with his enemies while at the same time set himself as an example of the highest moral character ever can be attained by any of Allah (swt) slaves. As a prophet he could never go down to the level of his enemies. Even those who murdered his own uncle were forgiven by him.

Muslims must follow the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as an role model and that also includes not compromising with his/her religion , not being apologetic and having self respect. U can expect individual muslims to go out of their way to condemn the incident but U can't expect muslims to condone the acts of the racist bigots of charlie hedbo and sanction western version of "freedom of speech" mocking their religion and taking part in the million hypocrites march in paris. Its ludicrous on your part to expect such.

And those not condemning it doesn't mean they support the act of random criminals. The either with us or against us mentality will only frustrate people like u.

Islam has nothing to do with the incident but muslims as a community in EU condemning the incident signifies something to the contrary. Hence its important that muslims either remain silent or give intelligent responses.


Do you not realize what you did?

1. You started off with deflecting the act and essentially calling it deserved by saying there were racist and bigots and you could not bring yourself to condemn the act. Which those cartoonist were not, there were simply satirist and equal opportunity satirist against all religions, political heads etc.Who are we kidding when you pretend you never said the act was acceptable, you are well know for you tacit support of the islamist

2. BUT Then when I asked you what your prophet did you said " Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was mocked in most vile manner during his life time , just like the prophets before him , as his enemies couldn't counter his teachings intellectually. But his response was always an intellectual one".

i.e. not one of violence or ignoring one coming from his followers. You can't bring yourself to condemn it like your prophet would do, if he were around right now

 
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What should I apologize for first of all? Secondly i condemn the killings of any innocent regardless of their religion. It is a shame that some muslims are acting on their behalf in such an aggressive and resentful way. Indeed it is also condemnable the acts of publishing a cartoon and exactly knowing how that can have a sentimental reaction among the Muslims. I do not believe that killing the cartoonists living in a foreign or non muslim land for there heinous acts against Islam and muslims is in anyway prescribed in Islam. Even there are no exact stipulated punishment for mocking the prophet in the religion and even though enforcing a punishment is the responsibility of the government not the individuals. I personally believe that Muslims should take these kind of situations very lightly and with patience as this is not the first time for a non muslim to mock or curse the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). It hapenned in his life and based on my knowledge most were forgiven and not killed. As for responsible institutes such as the magazines and publishers should understand that there is a fine line between criticism and mocking someone and something. And it seems like they knew what they were doing and wanted to hurt some feelings and exactly got that.
 
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