Muslims Only Apartments in India

[DESERT FIGHTER]

your reply is an example of how non sensical arguments have to resort to anecdotal claims and statements when challenged.

Yeah you are too smart...

Not worth responding to since none of the points has any backup statistics. Like, % Hindus in West Pakistan in 1947 vs now

Do share the figures ..'and do tell abt the number of Muslims in indian Punjab etc in 47 and now ?

And yes, go back a little bit more than your age and you will see 3 million rapes inflicted by your own army on your own citizens. The famous Gen Niazi and his attempt to alter the gene pool of East Pakistanis.

Go back a little bit and read a few books .. Now the shit you are taught in india.. How about the researched books by Leo Rose &Sissoun or your own sarmila Bose ?even bangladeshi laugh at the idiots who push the propoganda figure.... Given by mujib on the same day he was released in Dhaka ..

Pakistani lecturing an Indian on the divide. What you have is instances of riots 12 years back of 2 communities engaging in a violent conflict now and then in INdia against systematic genocide of first Hindus, Sikhs and Ahmadis and now Shias in Pakistan. Come to me when you have a graph showing any of your minorities % population going up. Till then what you say is just anecdotal rants and nothing else. I can very well show you that in India on the other hand, the % of every single minority has gone up since independence. Single most indication that minorities are growing and prospering. Exactly the opposite from Pakistan where every single minority's % in population has gone down in last 67 years.

Please stop making yourself look like a deluded fool.

btw, Togadia is an a$$hat.

the nature of communal violence in India is that mobs quickly form and in a matter of few days, and hundreds, and thousands gets killed.

Except Muzaffarnagar, from 2002, there hasn't been riots where hundreds have been killed or any other mass mob violence in India.

hopefully India can keep it that way.



this comment is spot on. Except in a place like Gujarat, I would be curious to see if anyone is willing to jeopardise their electoral chances by going against VHP :/

Orissa riots thousands were made homeless ... Hundred or probably thousands killed..

 

[Chronos]

Yeah you are too smart...





Do share the figures ..'and do tell abt the number of Muslims in indian Punjab etc in 47 and now ?



Go back a little bit and read a few books .. Now the shit you are taught in india.. How about the researched books by Leo Rose &Sissoun or your own sarmila Bose ?even bangladeshi laugh at the idiots who push the propoganda figure.... Given by mujib on the same day he was released in Dhaka ..





Please stop making yourself look like a deluded fool.



Orissa riots thousands were made homeless ... Hundred or probably thousands killed..

Not according to the Christian missionaries.

 

[Luffy 500]

Actually it would be better if muslims concentrate in certain parts of India rather than being so widely distributed. WB/Assam/UP/Kerela should be ideal places where they should concentrate. It would give them political strength.May be even make them muslim majority states apart from kashmir. Muslims should try to have political power,have islamic parties voted to the lok shoba and then they can ensure RSS and modi type loons don't punch above their weight.

 

[scorpionx]

Actually it would be better if muslims concentrate in certain parts of India rather than being so widely distributed. WB/Assam/UP/Kerela should be ideal places where they should concentrate. It would give them political strength.May be even make them muslim majority states apart from kashmir. Muslims should try to have political power,have islamic parties voted the lok shoba and then they can ensure RSS and modi type loons don't punch above their weight.

Very smart. What next? Cabinet mission plan v.2 ??

 

[Luffy 500]

Very smart. What next? Cabinet mission plan v.2 ??

May go for that as well if hindutva militants crosses the line. But i believe a smarter plan will be becoming politically so dominant that hindutva doesn't cross the line. Everyone living happy. Good no?

 

[scorpionx]

May go for that as well if hindutva militants crosses the line. But i believe a smarter plan will be becoming politically so dominant that hindutva doesn't cross the line. Everyone living happy. Good no?

To counter one evil it won't be wise to seek help from another evil. Evils of hindutva can be fought with a secularized constitution only. Its a bit fkd up ideology today but it is the only way.

 

[Luffy 500]

To counter one evil it won't be wise to seek help from another evil. Evils of hindutva can only be fought with a secularized constitution only.

I don't view islamic parties as evil and indeed they r not evil. The so called secular congress also screwed muslims but when muslims become powerful seculars would be willing to pay attention to muslims and share political power.

 

[scorpionx]

I don't view islamic parties as evil and indeed they r not evil. The so called secular congress also screwed muslims but when muslims become powerful seculars would be willing to pay attention to muslims and share political power.

For a state to become a real liberal democracy, it is necessary first to separate religion from state. However in this circumstances a Hindu exclusive political group can be equally threatening as a Muslim exclusive political party. Otherwise for a multi ethnic multi religious state like India where population is vastly heterogeneous it may attract a dangerous precedent.
As you mentioned about religion exclusive party and its necessity to preserve the interest of the minority, it has proved to be equally disastrous as it has been under a apparently secular state governed by Congress.

 

[EternalJives]

I don't understand what this whole fuss is about. This is nothing new. Such exclusive communities have been there in India since partition and I believe they existed before that too.

After partition my family shifted from present day Pakistan to India and government settled us in one of many "Punjabi Colonies" throughout North India. The Punjabi Colony where my parents still live is a thriving community of like minded people and they enjoy there.

You can find similar instances through out India. I think Borivali in Mumbai has some exclusive Gujarati communities, similarly there are areas in Pune designed and built exclusively for Muslim Bohra community. And yes, of course with time the exclusiveness of these communities will disappear.

And while we are at it, what about communities where "Bachelors" aren't allowed? Why don't we make fuss about those communities too?

I can't comment on the effects of the muslim only apartments but I don't think this idea is new. It has been appearing in some form or the other throughout the country since a long time ago.

 

[Luffy 500]

For a state to become a real liberal democracy, it is necessary first to separate religion from state. However in this circumstances a Hindu exclusive political group can be equally threatening as a Muslim exclusive political party. Otherwise for a multi ethnic multi religious state like India where population is vastly heterogeneous it may attract a dangerous precedent.
As you mentioned about religion exclusive party and its necessity to preserve the interest of the minority, it has proved to be equally disastrous as it has been under a apparently secular state governed by Congress.

" apparently secular state governed by Congress"- Is that a joke? Any way u may believe that. Btw a secular state supposedly allows parties with different views.Then why not an islamic party? India is "secular" and as such shouldn't have problem with islamic parties.Btw u know my views, i don't support secularism. As a muslims i do support islamic laws playing a major role in my country though I don't advocate the same for your non-muslim majority country but just expressed my opinion on how muslims should protect their interest. Muslim interest will be best served by islamic parties may be with a secular name if the non-muslims are too allergic to it.

A muslim power block won't threaten your heterogeneous federation and neither your constitution since it would be responsible for ensuring personal freedoms in the private lives of muslims like ensuring that muslims personal law is not even made an issue. Also such a power block will help your "secular" congress counter your hindutva militants, a group u deem dangerous to your secular constitution. In short it will create balance in the political arena.

 

[dawn_news]

Rich muslims were denied apartments in hindu majority areas, this was expected. Anyway i do not have anything common with Indian muslims, they can be put in gas chambers i will not care one bit.

 

[scorpionx]

" apparently secular state governed by Congress"- Is that a joke? Any way u may believe that. Btw a secular state supposedly allows parties with different views.Then why not an islamic party? India is "secular" and as such shouldn't have problem with islamic parties.Btw u know my views, i don't support secularism. As a muslims i do support islamic laws playing a major role in my country though I don't advocate the same for your non-muslim majority country but just expressed my opinion on how muslims should protect their interest. Muslim interest will be best served by islamic parties may be with a secular name if the non-muslims are too allergic to it.

A muslim power block won't threaten your heterogeneous federation and neither your constitution since it would be responsible for ensuring personal freedoms in the private lives of muslims like ensuring that muslims personal law is not even made an issue. Also such a power block will help your "secular" congress counter your hindutva militants, a group u deem dangerous to your secular constitution. In short it will create balance in the political arena.

No, its not a joke. Congress in 40's was as secular as ML and I have said it before several times here. Any ways, its my personal opinion that if a state wants to remain as a secular liberal body its political machineries and groups must follow the same principle how ever there should not be any problem for a liberal state if a political party defines its policy based on interests of a specific homogeneous group.

 

[dawn_news]

Actually it would be better if muslims concentrate in certain parts of India rather than being so widely distributed. WB/Assam/UP/Kerela should be ideal places where they should concentrate. It would give them political strength.May be even make them muslim majority states apart from kashmir. Muslims should try to have political power,have islamic parties voted to the lok shoba and then they can ensure RSS and modi type loons don't punch above their weight.

Yes they should all migrate to South Indian states.

 

[mujhaidind]

Yes they should all migrate to South Indian states.

You don't have a clue about indian demographics my friend. Muslim figures are heavily under-reported. Muslims are about35% in India.

In northern states like Assam,UP,Bengal bihar we are more than 40%.In other northern staes its somewhere between 20-30%. In karntaka around 30% and kerala more than 35%.

Even in state like Maharashtra were Muslims were just 3% after partition, we are now about 25%.

Even in metros like delhi and mumbai educated modern Muslims have 5-6 children. Hindus on there hand 1 or max 2. Muslim males get married max at 21-24. While hindu men between 29-35. Muslims females at 16-18 while Hindu females at 25-28.


It's just a matter of time. Before we became a majority.

 

[dawn_news]

You don't have a clue about indian demographics my friend. Muslim figures are heavily under-reported. Muslims are about35% in India.

In northern states like Assam,UP,Bengal bihar we are more than 40%.In other northern staes its somewhere between 20-30%. In karntaka around 30% and kerala more than 35%.

Even in state like Maharashtra were Muslims were just 3% after partition, we are now about 25%.

Even in metros like delhi and mumbai educated modern Muslims have 5-6 children. Hindus on there hand 1 or max 2. Muslim males get married max at 21-24. While hindu men between 29-35. Muslims females at 16-18 while Hindu females at 25-28.


It's just a matter of time. Before we became a majority.

Not happening, because your figures are exagerated. And another reason for hindu population decline is shortage of girls. 15-20 million hindu girls have been killed before or soon after birth in last couple of decades. This have helped muslim to increase tiny little %.

This is my master plan, follow it and you guys will have respect you deserve. Move in to South Indian states, make 3-4 states muslim majority. Thats all one need, make sure hindus flight happen. I mean hindu move to other states like kashmiri pundits did. By that i mean peacefully hindus move out to be with their brethren like you guys moved to South Indian states. In worst case scenario you guys will have access to sea at least. This can be archived by constantly killing cows in hindu areas, they will eventually move out.

This is the only way you guys will get respect with in India.

Actually start with Gujarat and then Maharashtra. Leave South Indian states alone because they are good people and will be your allies in future.