Muslims in Mathura hold anti-cow slaughter convention

[Umair Nawaz]

Shenanigans ??

This is not land of pure .

And don't have any wish to become more purer day by day.

Peace, unity, communal harmony and respect for one's religious views are of utmost importantance.

I thought being a muslim you must be knowing about fatwas.

One more thing we have our own sharia court in Mumbai.

So stop dividing my country like mullah nuts of your country on payrolls of GOP.

Yes we know about that Sharia court. Its status is of same as Churches of US who marry Gays.


Regarding bold part; i agree but with rest of the words u wrote 'respecting others religious believes' it is important that u respect Muslim believes too when we slaughter cows n build Mosques.

 

[gslv mk3]

same 2000 years Syrian blah blah there was no major x'ian population before Portuguese arrival ,I replied to that in Kerala thread ,no more comments ....Show me the X'ian leaders in freedom struggle your church and missionaries were completely against it

hahaha come to the Kerala thread then.Your only reference to deny st.thomas tradition is Ishwar Sharan-Who himself state that he hates the christian church,which itself proves that his intention is not a neutral analysis of history.You ran off when I gave proof about the tomb of st.thomas..post#1568,Kerala Corner thread
As for number of syrian christians,there were 116 syrian christian churches during Synod of Udaymperoor,in 1599,in which portuguese took control of Keralas syrian christian churches,and add to the fact that there was no parish system.The Kerala Christians turned against the potuguese at Coonan Cross oath in mattanchery,in 1653 ,and later pope had to send dutch missionaries,who recovered 84 out of 116 churches (who became syrian Catholics) and rest became syrian orthodox,jacobite and marthoma Churches.

.The ones portuguese converted went into Latin Catholic church...The statements like ' portuguese added more converts to Syrian churches,ie Syrian Catholic Churches(who were 'nestorian heretics' as per the portuguese) and Syriac Orthodox Church(who were under the patriarch of Antoich,and not Pope of Vatican) are clearly illogical.


As for freedom struggle,The Christian Church of Kerala formed an orfought Divan Sir CP,together with the help of Nair and ezhava organisations.The Coonan Cross Oath was the first agitation in Kerala against colonialism.The St.Thomas Christian leaders like Nidhirikkal Mani Kathanar and Nidhirikkal Cyriac took lead role along with K.P.Padmanabha Menon and G.P.Pillai34. Malayalee Memorial was a petition signed and submitted to the ruler of Travancore by the members of Nair, Christian and Ezhava communities against the over-preference being given to Tamil Brahmins in the appointment for Governmental jobs and the discrimination being meted out against the members of other communities.One of the topmost leaders from the St.Thomas Catholic community mobilizing its members for the freedom movement of Travancore during this period was M.M. Varkey.It was during the period between 1920 and 1936 that the St.Thomas Christians began to enter on a large number into Kerala ‘s politics. One among them was Barrister George Joseph, who as the convenor of Anti-Untouchable Committee of Indian National Congress, initiated Vaikkom Satyagraha in 1924. Under his leadership the satyagrahis demanded that the temple of Vaikkom should be kept open for lower castes. However later he was compelled to keep a low profile in the movement because of the intervention from Gandhi, who told him that Christian participation in issues related temple entry might be misinterpreted40. The leadership of Vaikom Satyagraha taken away from Barrister George Joseph was later given to T.K.Madhavan and K.P.Kesava Menon, for which T.K. Ravindran later criticizes the attitude of Gandhiji. Despite this development, it must be specially noted that many Christians continued to participate in the Vaikom Satygraha along with Muslims. Since 1918 , when Equal Civil Rights movement was launched , both the Catholic and the Jacobite segments of the St.Thomas Christians used to make their political struggles and ventures jointly.The relatively dominant Christian presence in the leadership of the evolving State Congress made C.P.Ramaswamy Iyer, the Dewan of Travancore to accuse freedom struggle in Travancore as an effort of the communal party of Travancore Christians. His efforts to divide the people on communal grounds between the Christians and other communities intensified the heat of the last phase of freedom struggle in Travancore. The Christian leaders of State Congress like Mrs. Annie Mascarene, Akkamma Cherian, Rosamma Cherian, A.J.John, R.V.Thomas, P.J.Sebastian E.John Philipose, Elenjickal Thariathu Kunjithommen, P.T.Chacko, Elizabeth Kuruvilla , K.J. Varkey, K.M.Chandy etc.,were arrested and their entire property was confiscated by C.P. Ramaswamy Iyer for the purpose of nipping the bud of expanding nationalist movement in the state.

 

[jetti]

Yes we know about that Sharia court. Its status is of same as Churches of Us who marry Gays.


Regarding bold part; i agree but with rest of the words u wrote 'respecting others religious believes' it is important that u respect Muslim believes too when we slaughter cows n build Mosques.

what belief of mslim is not respected when hindus request for no cow slughter . if the muslims of benares respect hindu sentiments it does not mean that hindus of benares are disrespecting muslims beliefs. nutjob!

 

[Android]

Yes we know about that Sharia court. Its status is of same as Churches of Us who marry Gays.


Regarding bold part; i agree but with rest of the words u wrote 'respecting others religious believes' it is important that u respect Muslim believes too when we slaughter cows n build Mosques.

is it written anywhere in your holy books that it is mandatory for Muslims to slaughter cows if yes then tell in which verse it is written if not then Muslims should respect Hindus belief don't you think

 

[jetti]

is it written anywhere in your holy books that it is mandatory for Muslims to slaughter cows if yes then tell in which verse it is written if not then Muslims should respect Hindus belief don't you think

yeah, if you want hindus to allow cow slaughter then mslims should be okay and encourage non-m'lims to draw any cartoon we like. Its the same analogy.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

is it written anywhere in your holy books that it is mandatory for Muslims to slaughter cows if yes then tell in which verse it is written if not then Muslims should respect Hindus belief don't you think

Yes yr right, that there is no direct verse that says its mandatory for muslims to eat cows. But in Islam there r certain animals that r given permission to be eaten.
But again its not compulsory.

My point was that u shouldnt make the muslim/minority compromise as a gesture of secularism in yr country. The compromise should be done by everybody to facilitate everyone in community.

Thank You.

what belief of mslim is not respected when hindus request for no cow slughter . if the muslims of benares respect hindu sentiments it does not mean that hindus of benares are disrespecting muslims beliefs. nutjob!

 

[Marxist]

@gslv mk3 1599 and 1653 Hope you know the year Portuguese arrived so again it is not against my claim,And second thing the so called protest against Sir CP is related accession of Travancore state to the Indian Union not freedom struggle against British ,and post links to your claims

so you got this from Nasrani site ( http://nasrani.net/2012/09/16/saint-thomas-christians-in-the-shaping-of-modern-kerala/ ) try to get neutral link

 

[gslv mk3]

@gslv mk3 1599 and 1653 Hope you know the year Portuguese arrived so again it is not against my claim,And second thing the so called protest against Sir CP is related accession of Travancore state to the Indian Union not related to freedom struggle against British ,and post links to your claims

haha The portuguese were not in control of syrian christian churches before 1599.And the ones portuguese converted today form Latin Catholic Church in Kerala.

The fight against sir CP was part of freedom struggle,He was Divan between 1936-1947.Links

NSC NETWORK – Saint Thomas Christians in the Shaping of Modern Kerala

 

[Marxist]

haha The portuguese were not in control of syrian christian churches before 1599.And the ones portuguese converted today form Latin Catholic Church in Kerala.

The fight against sir CP was part of freedom struggle,He was Divan between 1936-1947.Links

NSC NETWORK – Saint Thomas Christians in the Shaping of Modern Kerala

lol Nasrani site boasting Nasrani's and you give it as a credible link ....anyway i will give you this one ( Missionaries Role During Indian freedom Movement - Christian Aggression )

 

[gslv mk3]

lol Nasrani site boasting Nasrani's and you give it as a credible link ....anyway i will give you this one ( Missionaries Role During Indian freedom Movement - Christian Aggression )

haha this communalist website??Which spreads such propaganda against Christians??That too such idiotic propaganda??

some more idiocies from same website



Once called the richest nation in the world by the world traveller Marco Polo (13 th century) Malabar, present day Kerala, is today a suicide capital. There are armies of the Hindu unemployed roaming all Indian cities, the only people wallowing in luxury are the Syrian Christians, with their international church funds and vote bank politics.

The Chief Minister, Chief secretary, Police Chief, majority IAS officers, why even the sportsmen are all Syrian Christian.

for the last part,

[URL="http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1109867755"]http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1109867755]ARTICLES - Christian Aggression

When the head of the Paraya (Candala) community is dead, as per the customary jati law they bury the corpus of the deceased head (moopan) in sitting posture instead of the usual practice of keeping the dead body in lying position. The Kananaya and Saint Thomas Syrian Jacobite/Orthodox factions of Kerala Christians are the only communities other than the Parayas (Candalas) to bury the corpse of their bishops (spiritual head) in the manner of the Paraya moopans of old. No other Christian factions neither upheld nor practiced such a burial system. This burial pattern suggests a very strong socio-cultural or anthropological relation between both communities, which lost their link elsewhere in the deluge of history.


syrian orthodox followers would be laughing

The marriage ceremony of the Kananaya Syrian Christians, a further indication in this way of enquiry, contained numerous formal procedures and rituals that were alien to Christians all over. Some of such ritualistic observances in association with marriages that still exists amongst the Kananaya Syrian Christians of Keralam are the hair cutting custom, henna application ceremony, the ritual of ash tying, the customary practice of nadavili, the customary rite of thalakettu, etc. They are the real facsimile of the customary practices, through centuries, of the subaltern jaties such as Vathies, Velans, Vannanas, Vetas, and Parayas34. Furthermore, since the very beginning of Kananaya Syrian Christian history intoxicating drinks has been an unavoidable item of the feast of their marriages. This traditional practice of serving intoxicating drinks by Kananaya Syrian Christians on the auspicious occasions is the replica of the above-mentioned subaltern jaties of Keralam in the bygone days.

Christian Aggression

again

see this
Wedding Traditions of Eastern Catholics? - Catholic Answers Forums

 

[bronxbull]

Next Time India has a war with a Christian Nation we can discuss your patriotism. Thou its was always clear that India was always discriminated by the west (read white christian Europeans), our culture and religion denigrated, christians on pdf has no qualms about referring to the behavior of these same white christian europeans as a model for Indians to follow. Clearly a case of misguided 'brootherhood' aka the wanna be arab syndrome displayed by some of the pakistanis.

Its hilarious when christians here point out to examples of white christian behavior to explain how a 'secular' society should behave. Its classic considering India is just about the only country in the world that has NEVER practiced religious discrimination for the last 2000 years. But this is not a sudden event, this is a know pattern only never to be spoken aloud by 'secular' people so as not to disturb their persecution and victimhood card.

It is also to be noted that NONE of the christians here acknowledged that temple grounds have been taken away by the british in kerala. They choose to believe that land grants to churches have come from 'voluntary donations' by other hindus .

Only 'Agnostic Indian' had the moral integrity to acknowledge that christian prayers in schools is wrong. Rest of the christian brigade are very comfortable in forcing hindu children recite them. Eating 'beef' is 'freedom' while 'respecting hindu culture and traditions' is 'communal and will SPLIT the nation'.

For the present it is clear by provided evidence that the christian community in India seeks to continue its privileged position by controlling the Education sector and Health Sector and practicing active discrimination against non Hindus which incidentally also include Muslim. Actually compared to the Muslims, Hindus get a better deal in Christian dominated institutions.

It is also clear that Non of the christians in pdf if apologetic about the behavior of christian community in practicing religious bigotry nor do they have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge the inherit bias that is visible to all. Non has any comment to make on the two christian seats reserved for them in the Lok sabha.

This kind of arrogance comes from knowing they control the power structure in India. By knowing that the global media (which for most Indians means American and UK) will support the 'christian brotherhood' action, by knowing $ that back this agenda and by knowing they control the misguided 'secular' debated in India.

NON of the christians in pdf offered to support Hindu demand for freedom for their own religious practices nor had the integrity to make any comment on it.

It is to be NOTED that this gesture was made by the muslim community but it was not applauded by the christians here.

People can draw their own conclusion...

Exactly,this is the problem with the so called liberal attitude.

No man is an island,we all co exist here and anywhere in the world,saying i ll do what iw ant doesn't help.

It makes more sense to abide by the majority,especially when the majority doesn't want to hurt you.

 

[bronxbull]

No they don't secularism has nothing to do with appeasement.

Secularism is a thing of the law, not of cultural sensitivities. Your statement is a testament to the fact that Indians have never even looked at the dictionary meaning of secularism! But call themselves secular as a fad!

No,this is just normal.

Dont get caught up in random jargon,Muslims of Mathura give up cow slaughter because they want to improve the harmony in the society.

 

[Contrarian]

I happen to agree with you. Christianity is a far greater danger to India than Islam.

Conversion to islam by hindus is almost zero, however conversion to christianity is the norm and christian evangelism is a VERY STRONG force in India.

I disagree.
Christians are mostly converting only the tribal hindus, and thanks to VHP's strict stance that has reduced substantially.

And Hindus were converting to Islam not that long back. Its only been a couple of decades since it has stopped. And they have anti-national tendencies.

 

[gslv mk3]

Exactly,this is the problem with the so called liberal attitude.

No man is an island,we all co exist here and anywhere in the world,saying i ll do what iw ant doesn't help.

It makes more sense to abide by the majority,especially when the majority doesn't want to hurt you.

how many christians were protesting when we kicked the Portuguese out??

 

[Iggy]

I didnt call any individual outsider questioned anyones patriotism here,only said Faith or their Culture is from out side this land ,and it was or is part of this culture .....And about religious glases i believe Hindus gained nothing from Tolerance or Secularism only suffered losses due to it ...even this thread is example some guys literally says "we cannot change our food habit So change your belief" ,

No you called entire Christian community outsiders here.. We born and bought up here.. We learned the same history lessons about India.. There are plenty of Christians here who worked for the welfare of this country.. And for you guys we are just traitors just because we belong to another religion.Its just fucked up ideology.. Yes, other religions flourished in this country because of the tolerance of Hindu religion.. I myself seen many times the tolerant nature of Hinduism..But the bigots dancing here like monkeys are giving it a bad name...I told you many times, Hinduism as a culture and religion is not going anywhere., HInduism as a culture is in the mind of every Indians.. Christians and Muslims have adapted a lot of things from Hindu culture.. Stop reading those radicals books and look around.. You are getting paranoid because of a religion of 2 million people..