Muslims in Europe face discrimination: Amnesty

[user1]

There is widespread discrimination, not only against Muslims, but against all people considered Non-British in UK. It is not only at individual level, but also exists on institutional and governmental level.

At my workplace I have noticed that the workers of White majority are given preference for training opportunities, progress and the coveted work assignments while the minorities (Asians or Africans) are more like help people with no role in decision making processes. Here I am not talking about some uneducated folks, they are all educated to a degree level. The most astounding fact there is that the minority workers do not resist to this 'status quo', they are just happy to find a 'respectable' job.

I was the only person, with much conviction in equality of humanity/opportunities, to protest against this and had to bear the de-humanising from the whole department from the top level management to the bottom; even the minority persons were among them and in fact they spied against me for their masters. There was a systematic harassment campaign launched against me and when I went to Human Resources to file a complaint - I was the one who got suspended from the work.

In the end, all I have to say is that 'Allah works in mysterious way', who brought my honourable return to work after more than six months of suspension; harassment though reduced there is still a large degree of antagonism present.

In Quran, it is said that every child is born in Allah's nature (that is with goodness in heart), it is only their parents (societal) indoctrination which sets out their morals and standards. If we do good, we will have good and Allah will bring out His help in the form of good/helpful people.

Moral: Do the right thing (be kind and honest to God's all creation); it is the only way to move forward.

 

[illusion8]

Circular argument.

A Muslim woman wearing a headscarf is not 'assimilating', but a Hindu with a red dot or a Sikh with a turban or kirpan is 'assimilating'?

A Muslim man with a beard is not 'assimilating', but a Hassidic Jew or an Amish Christian or a Sikh with an equally large beard is 'assimilating'?

The Amnesty international specifically talks about these aspects and the prejudice built up around these non-issues.

I am not saying no, It's all media - A hindu in a dhoti an a tilak is categorised as a guru/ religious man/ temple priest/ yoga instructor. An Amish or jew again as a minority, hard working, simple, religious man.

A muslim with a turban, a kurta, a long beard - what kind of image does it create in the minds of a non muslim? The question is what are the reasons for a non muslim to perceive such a man in a negative way. Is it media, is it the long history of conflict between Muslims/Hindus, Muslims/Christians, Muslims/Jews?

One does not/cannot imagine a Kalashnikov in the hands of the Hindu/Amish/Jew, but a Muslim with a long beard and a turban can be visualized with a AK next to him easily.

 

[Developereo]

I am not saying no, It's all media - A hindu in a dhoti an a tilak is categorised as a guru/ religious man/ temple priest/ yoga instructor. An Amish or jew again as a minority, hard working, simple, religious man.

A muslim with a turban, a kurta, a long beard - what kind of image does it create in the minds of a non muslim? The question is what are the reasons for a non muslim to perceive such a man in a negative way. Is it media, is it the long history of conflict between Muslims/Hindus, Muslims/Christians, Muslims/Jews?

And that's exactly the point of the AI report: they specifically talk about these prejudicial stereotypes.

It's like this: in the past, people used to have negative stereotypes of blacks/Italians/Irish/Chinese. Every time there was a crime in the news and the criminal belonged to one of those groups, people would say, "yup, them's all crooks".

Over time, that changed and, unfortunately, Muslims are the latest in that line of demonized groups. You are right about the reasons for this demonization, but the point of the AI article is that, if the Western countries have learned anything from their past and wish to remain true to their ideals, then they should fight such stereotyping. Certainly, governments have a responsibility to fight divisive stereotypes of their own citizens.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Muslims are categorized into a group bcos they dont easily assimilate into the general population of their host country, they tend to stick to their culture.

When I visit my relatives who live in Canada, the entire time we talk Cantonese to each other, visit only other Chinese people, and we eat out at only at Chinese restaurants.

In fact Chinese people are quite famous for sticking together overseas, and creating areas like Chinatowns.

If you think about it logically, we "integrate" far less than Muslims do.

Which clearly shows that this "integration" argument is just BS, that is invented to cover up anti-Muslim prejudice.

 

[illusion8]

And that's exactly the point of the AI report: they specifically talk about these prejudicial stereotypes.

It's like this: in the past, people used to have negative stereotypes of blacks/Italians/Irish/Chinese. Every time there was a crime in the news and the criminal belonged to one of those groups, people would say, "yup, them's all crooks".

Over time, that changed and, unfortunately, Muslims are the latest in that line of demonized groups.

I agree, It falls on the people being discriminated against to show them that they are wrong, Indians/Chinese/Africans were discriminated against in all countries but they worked hard to change that image.

When I visit my relatives who live in Canada, the entire time we talk Cantonese to each other, visit only other Chinese people, and we eat out at only at Chinese restaurants.

In fact Chinese people are quite famous for sticking together overseas, and creating areas like Chinatowns.

If you think about it logically, we "integrate" far less than Muslims do.

Which clearly shows that this "integration" argument is just BS, that is invented to cover up anti-Muslim prejudice.

Yeah but East Asians are more integrated than others. In the work place, in public places. The East Asians give a positiveness in any given scenario. A typical non asian cannot distinguish between a chines/viet/korean/japanese/mongolian/phil/thai.

 

[Developereo]

I agree, It falls on the people being discriminated against to show them that they are wrong, Indians/Chinese/Africans were discriminated against in all countries but they worked hard to change that image.

But the Muslims are trying. Didn't you read the article? The girls are denied entry into schools or jobs. They are trying to integrate.

They are given a choice: give up your religion or give up equal opportunity.

And, in all the previous cases, the media was a driving force towards cultural understanding and reconciliation. Here, the media is doing exactly the opposite: it is driving the demonization.

 

[illusion8]

But the Muslims are trying. Didn't you read the article? The girls are denied entry into schools or jobs. They are trying to integrate.

They are given a choice: give up your culture or give up equal opportunity.

And, in all the previous cases, the media was a driving force towards cultural understanding and reconciliation. Here, the media is doing exactly the opposite: it is driving the demonization.

The muslims are trying in a non muslim country but what about what happens in a muslim country? If I say Somalia the thing that first strikes anyone is Pirates, how do u remove this image- by stopping piracy - right, So in a way to remove discrimination, you have to stop discrimination back home.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And, in all the previous cases, the media was a driving force towards cultural understanding and reconciliation. Here, the media is doing exactly the opposite: it is driving the demonization.

Dehumanization.

How can people support the wars in the Middle East, if they think of the people being killed as human beings, with lives that are worth exactly the same as theirs?

Now this is not specifically a Western trait, all cultures and civilizations have done this in the past, especially during times of war. What makes it different is that the Western world has such a disproportionate amount of control over the world media, they can push any narrative they want.

 

[illusion8]

Dehumanization.

How can people support the wars in the Middle East, if they think of the people being killed as human beings, with lives that are worth exactly the same as theirs?

Now this is not specifically a Western trait, all cultures and civilizations have done this in the past, especially during times of war. What makes it different is that the Western world has such a disproportionate amount of control over the world media, they can push any narrative they want.

I agree to this, if tomorrow the powers that be decide to demonize India and Indians they will drive their media to create such an image.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I agree to this, if tomorrow the powers that be decide to demonize India and Indians they will drive their media to create such an image.

Yep, that's what we get for not having more influence in the world media.

China has always looked inwards more than outwards. We'll never catch up with the West in this area (media influence), not in a thousand years.

Our saving grace is that they need us for now, so they balance negatives with positives.

 

[Developereo]

The muslims are trying in a non muslim country but what about what happens in a muslim country? If I say Somalia the thing that first strikes anyone is Pirates, how do u remove this image- by stopping piracy - right, So in a way to remove discrimination, you have to stop discrimination back home.

Again, we are back to my original point. How can the media reasonably hold a German born Muslim to ransom for the acts of some random crazies half a world away. It is this tendency to view people as an indistinguishable, homogenous group rather than as individuals which is the definition of racism. It is like telling the German-born Muslim: you must stop Somalian piracy or we will hold you accountable.

Dehumanization.

How can people support the wars in the Middle East, if they think of the people being killed as human beings, with lives that are worth exactly the same as theirs?

Now this is not specifically a Western trait, all cultures and civilizations have done this in the past, especially during times of war. What makes it different is that the Western world has such a disproportionate amount of control over the world media, they can push any narrative they want.

Govt. and media push demonization (which, as you noted, is done by every side) and it gets picked up by a disgruntled populace who need scapegoats for their economic problems. The far right parties in France and Holland made gains this week because of economic concerns, but they also bring anti-Muslim agendas into the mix.

 

[illusion8]

Yep, that's what we get for not having more influence in the world media.

China has always looked inwards more than outwards. We'll never catch up with the West in this area (media influence), not in a thousand years.

Our saving grace is that they need us for now, so they balance negatives with positives.

Until and unless we work together to release their hold in all world bodies sadly this situation is going to continue. They will have the power to drive hatred against a country/community and we will be mute spectators.

 

[Black Widow]

In 20 years Europe will be ruled by Muslims. Mashallah

The biological war in europe is on.
Facts: In the last 30 years, Muslim population in UK rose from 82,000 to 25,00,000 .
Russia capital is flooded with Muslims, Recently BBC article said "Masko will become Maskokabad"
In France Non Muslims are giving birth to 1.9 baby per family where as Muslims are giving 6-7 Babies per family.


So Europ, stop discriminatimng Muslims now else aftr 20 years you will have to pay..

 

[Hussein]

Govt. and media push demonization (which, as you noted, is done by every side) and it gets picked up by a disgruntled populace who need scapegoats for their economic problems. The far right parties in France and Holland made gains this week because of economic concerns, but they also bring anti-Muslim agendas into the mix.

hmmm indeed it is more complicated than this:
the fascist parti (far right to be polite) is anti Islam , very low tolerance to any sign of Islam, even they made a big deal of halal food here
Sarkozy is not exactly doing anti Islam speech but he is using one part of the speech of this parti: too many immigrates, france should control in the frontiers (and then not respect the schengen area deal), but with some speech unclear and showing he is not really having a good pic of muslims. the campaign spokeman is a young guy who was friendly with the FN fascist parti and he was the spokeman of De Villiers, royalist having anti Islam speechs (but not only)

Hollande is very very different: he calls for unity: any French is French whatever is his religion and he blames Sarkozy that he led the people to vote for FN : the candidate of Left wing Melenchon explained that because Sarkozy needed votes he used the immigration and security speech so much that he was participating in the "ambiance" to vote for FN

As well as you say, the economic condition is really bad here: and some companies employ lot of immigrates from Morroco for exemple in South and don't even respect the employments rules and then these jobs are not accessible for "French" people . The fact as well that poor suburbs of some cities are populated by poor people and half of them are black or arab, makes the French feel that they don't make any effort to work when obviously these poor people are the victims of the bad economy of France.

 

[Audio]

hahahahaha, girl scouts are in on it too!!!1


What is so wrong with having a religious symbol on a necklace or something less intrusive/suggestive/exotic* as a beard or a turban. * any of it is not good in the eyes of the employer

Objectively, if you would be a restaurant owner, would you keep employed an unshaven man?
Also, in any decent Euro job being unshaven/bearded while having contact with customers is a no no. it is just perceived as sloppiness at best and lack of hygiene at worst.
These are the facts on the ground, now continue with "clash of civilizations".


I agree there is this antagonization present, however much of it has to do with radical Muslims themselves and the general xenophobic "they are stealing our jobs while we are in crisis".