Muslims are Hindus by nationality, they are Muslims by faith only: Rss chief Mohan Bhagwat

[MultaniGuy]

The leader is actually not wrong
Hindu refers to someone born near the hind, the religion just got associated with the word.
However, this form of association has not been used for a long time and has no place in modern context

You are correct.

Usually a Hindu means an adherent of Hinduism, not the geographical meaning.

 

[Hindustani78]

The leader is actually not wrong
Hindu refers to someone born near the hind, the religion just got associated with the word.
However, this form of association has not been used for a long time and has no place in modern context

पर सप्त-सप्त तरेधा हि चक्रमुः परस्र्त्वरीणामति सिन्धुरोजसा ||
pra sapta-sapta tredhā hi cakramuḥ prasṛtvarīṇāmati sindhurojasā ||
The Rivers have come forward triply, seven and seven. Sindhu in might surpasses all the streams that flow.

Sindhu is nothing but River Indus .

People of Fars use to call people who are living beyond River Indus as Hindus and even the greeks use the term indos when they came to invade Indian nation , where he was defeated by the Indian nation. Bacteria , you know all that i think.

Even Prophet Muhammed Pbuh has used the term Hind for the Indian nation. Even the third masjid is constructed in Hind in 629 A.D during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammed Pbuh.

 

[django]

@django There was a name. That name was used first for Indus River. Then for the region adjoining it, Hendosh in Persian which proximated to Sindh. Then as the ancients discovered that there was Ganga those areas also began to be covered by that meaning. However it only carried a geographic meaning. The religion that these Ganga-deshi follow did not have name or at least not as recorded by outsiders. Only in the last few hundred years in particular under British rule did the term Hindu get used for the religion. I believe the real name is Sanathan something.

Today this ocean of shudras - and you know out of 1,300 million probably 1,200 million are shudras or untouchables (if they all were Brahmins then I might have begrudging respect for them) are desperate to have some identity that they can reclaim some respect. Thus the rambling you hear. Honetly if even 10% of India was Brahmin and another 25% part Brahmin I would treat them with respect but the truth is over 300 million are full blown untouchables, another 100 million sceduled caste and aboriginals. That is like 400 million.

You know those Mirasi (probably below 1%) you see in Pakistan or those Christians (who are untouchable converts) well can you imagine if there was like 150 million of them in Pakistan? Welcome. This is India. Thus the only appendage they deserve is Ganga and Dravidians contrasted with the Indus of Pakistan. As you rightly said "Gangadeshi". Like the river like the people. And you know what Ganga is notorious for.

That is like the Jamaicans start thinking because they speak English, their culture is similar to English and that makes them English. Sanskrit was imposed on these aboroginals. The invaders brought it from Central Asia.

And I suspect even a large chunk of the brahmins of Gangadesh are most likely impostors who have nothing to do with the ancient Sanskirt speakers who worshiped Lord Indra (supreme diety of ancient Aryans) lol their brahmins look like our mussalis and marasis honestly these people have zilch to do with Aryans and that is a great analogy in regards to Jamaicans and English language, Sanskrit was imposed on these gangadwellers in the same way English was imposed on poor African slave descendants in Caribbean and dare i say a lot of Jamcians even have english blood in them.Kudos sir

 

[Hindustani78]

And I suspect even a large chunk of the brahmins of Gangadesh are most likely impostors who have nothing to do with the ancient Sanskirt speakers who worshiped Lord Indra (supreme diety of ancient Aryans) lol their brahmins look like our mussalis and marasis honestly these people have zilch to do with Aryans and that is a great analogy in regards to Jamaicans and English language, Sanskrit was imposed on these gangadwellers in the same way English was imposed on poor African slave descendants in Caribbean and dare i say a lot of Jamcians even have english blood in them.Kudos sir

Lord Indra divine and celestial being who is care taker of the Devlok , Indralok and the capital of IndraLok is Amravati. in which divine heavenly Apsaras namely Rambha, urvasi, Meneka etc.

Even the similar we can read about divine beings in Taurat, Zabur and Quran. Apsaras and nothing but hourain.

 

[django]

Lord Indra divine and celestial being who is care taker of the Devlok , Indralok and the capital of IndraLok is Amravati. in which divine heavenly Apsaras namely Rambha, urvasi, Meneka etc.

Even the similar we can read about divine beings in Taurat, Zabur and Quran. Apsaras and nothing but hourain.

 

[hussain0216]

Lord Indra divine and celestial being who is care taker of the Devlok , Indralok and the capital of IndraLok is Amravati. in which divine heavenly Apsaras namely Rambha, urvasi, Meneka etc.

Even the similar we can read about divine beings in Taurat, Zabur and Quran. Apsaras and nothing but hourain.

Its all paganism no different to the idols and beliefs of the Quresh

 

[Mugwop]

You mean indian by nationality

 

[ranjeet]

muhammad bin qasim received a letter from a girl in which she explained the atrocities of hindus.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Lol..

 

[MilSpec]

The underlying assumption (for geniuses on the thread) is that anyone born in India/Hindustan is a Hindu, and there is no such thing as Hinduism as a religion. All residents of Hindustan/India are Hindus, who can be Christians, worship different types of practices of Santhan Dharma, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism, Islam or athiests/agnostic etc.
Hindutva and Bhartiyata, are not different from each other.

the only problem is Hinduism is considered as a religion by the rest of the world, so even if Sangh tries it's best in this rebranding process, there will always be apprehensions for any religion or group to identify itself as as "Hindu" as a nationality. Instead, sangh should give up it's rebranding effort of Hindu and rather adopt "Indian" as the term.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

gangadweller

Obama speaks better English then most English, Obama is 50% white (most of which is English heritage), his culture is Anglo-Saxon and his religion is Christianity.

But you know and I know that they just call him a *nigga*

*Moral of story. If he looks like a Ganga, lives in the Ganga, swims in the Ganga and shats in the Ganga but he speaks Sanskrit he is just a Ganga - deshi.

 

[ranjeet]

Obama speaks better English then most English, Obama is 50% white (most of which is English heritage), his culture is Anglo-Saxon and his religion is Christianity.

But you know and I know that they just call him a *nigga*

*Moral of story. If he looks like a Ganga, lives in the Ganga, swims in the Ganga and shats in the Ganga but he speaks Sanskrit he is just a Ganga - deshi.

It's alright you can call yourself Hindu, We won't mind.

 

[MilSpec]

looks like they don't know the history.muslim conqueror muhammad bin qasim invaded sindh and defeated your hindu rajas.you need common sense to understand this.and what about afghan invasions? we can proudly say that we rule over hindus for some 1000 years.our religion islam originated and preached from saudia arabia and not from india.hindu and muslims are two different people,different nations.some indians say that we aren't the arabs.pakistanis are a mixture of arabs and afghanis.both have invaded india and defeated your so called rajas.muhammad bin qasim received a letter from a girl in which she explained the atrocities of hindus.muhammad bin qasim invaded sindh and defeated your pride,your proud rajas.hindus should be shamed on their history.hinduism is not even a religion.

Very aptly put of what assume is the common Planet Pakistan narrative. But unfortunately, when someone claims that there ancestors ruled over Hindus for 1000 yrs, isn't it an admission of about 5000 years of subservience to the same shamed Hindus by your own ancestors? Logic is a bitch, isn't it?

And which Hindu Rajas, did Bin qassim defeat, were these kingdoms located in present day India or in Present day Pakistan?

Pakistani are of Arab and Afghan origin, Study of genetics is where the answers lie, irrespective of fantasies of ancestral copulation that one may have to justify their current level of ignorance of the world view. Alas science just like it cousin - logic, too is a bitch.

Yes absolutely "Hindus" which in aptly in this thread tries to refer to inhabitants of India, indeed should be shameful of their history, for lack of ambition, lack of scientific inquiry, lack of technological breakthroughs, lack of empowerment of political will, tyranny, and tolerating loot and genocide by invaders in the subcontinent. Indeed Hindus should be shamed for all of it.

 

[django]

Obama speaks better English then most English, Obama is 50% white (most of which is English heritage), his culture is Anglo-Saxon and his religion is Christianity.

But you know and I know that they just call him a *nigga*

*Moral of story. If he looks like a Ganga, lives in the Ganga, swims in the Ganga and shats in the Ganga but he speaks Sanskrit he is just a Ganga - deshi.

Excellent post, totally concur.Kudos

 

[Arsalan 345]

It's alright you can call yourself Hindu, We won't mind.

‘Imād ad-Dīn Muḥammad ibn Qāsim ath-Thaqafī (Arabic: عماد الدين محمد بن القاسم الثقفي‎‎; c. 31 December 695 – 18 July 715) was an Umayyad general who conquered the Sindh and Multan regions along the Indus River (now a part of Pakistan) for the Umayyad Caliphate. He was born and raised in the city of Ta'if (in modern-day Saudi Arabia). Qasim's conquest of Sindh and southern-most parts of Multan enabled further Muslim conquests on the Indian subcontinent.

A member of the Thaqif tribe of the Ta'if region, Muhammad bin Qasim's father was Qasim bin Yusuf who died when Muhammad bin Qasim was young, leaving his mother in charge of his education and care. Umayyad governor Al-Hajjaj Ibn Yusuf Al-Thaqafi, Muhammad bin Qasim's paternal uncle, was instrumental in teaching Muhammad bin Qasim about warfare and governance. Muhammad bin Qasim married his cousin Zubaidah, Al-Hajjaj's daughter, shortly before going to Sindh.

Due to his close relationship with Al-Hajjaj, Bin Qasim was executed after the accession of Caliph Sulayman ibn Abd al-Malik.



Umayyad interest in Sindh
According to Berzin, Umayyad interest in the region occurred because of attacks from Sindh Raja Dahir on ships of Muslims and their imprisonment of Muslim men and women.[1] They had earlier unsuccessfully sought to gain control of the route, via the Khyber Pass, from the Kabul Shahi of Gandhara.[1] But by taking Sindh, Gandhara's southern neighbour, they were able to open a second front against Gandhara; a feat they had, on one occasion, attempted before.[1]

According to Wink, Umayyad interest in the region was galvanized by the operation of the Meds (a tribe of Scythians living in Sindh) and others.[2] Meds had pirated upon Sassanid shipping in the past, from the mouth of the Tigris to the Sri Lankan coast, in their bawarij and now were able to prey on Arab shipping from their bases at Kutch, Debal and Kathiawar.[2] At the time, Sindh was the wild frontier region of al-Hind, inhabited mostly by semi-nomadic tribes whose activities disturbed much of the Western Indian Ocean.[2] Muslim sources insist that it was these persistent activities along increasingly important Indian trade routes by Debal pirates and others which forced the Arabs to subjugate the area, in order to control the seaports and maritime routes of which Sindh was the nucleus, as well as, the overland passage.[3] During Hajjaj's governorship, the Meds of Debal in one of their raids had kidnapped Muslim women travelling from Sri Lanka to Arabia, thus providing a casus belli to the rising power of the Umayyad Caliphate that enabled them to gain a foothold in the Makran, Balochistan and Sindh regions.
Also cited as a reason for this campaign was the policy of providing refuge to Sassanids fleeing the Arab advance and to Arab rebels from the Umayyad consolidation of their rule.

These Arabs were imprisoned later on by the Governor Deebal Partaab Raye. A letter written by an Arab girl who escaped from the prison of Partab Raye asked Hajjaj Bin Yusuf for help. When Hajjaj asked Dahir for the release of prisoners and compensation, the latter refused on the ground that he had no control over those. Al-Hajjaj sent Muhammad Bin Qasim for action against the Sindh in 711.

The mawali; new non-Arab converts; who were usually allied with Al-Hajjaj's political opponents and thus were frequently forced to participate in battles on the frontier of the Umayyad Caliphate — such as Kabul, Sindh and Transoxania.[5] An actual push into the region had been out of favor as an Arab policy since the time of the Rashidun Caliph Umar bin Khattab, who upon receipt of reports of it being an inhospitable and poor land, had stopped further expeditionary ventures into the region.

see it with open eyes,letter written by arab girl,see above.

Very aptly put of what assume is the common Planet Pakistan narrative. But unfortunately, when someone claims that there ancestors ruled over Hindus for 1000 yrs, isn't it an admission of about 5000 years of subservience to the same shamed Hindus by your own ancestors? Logic is a bitch, isn't it?

And which Hindu Rajas, did Bin qassim defeat, were these kingdoms located in present day India or in Present day Pakistan?

Pakistani are of Arab and Afghan origin, Study of genetics is where the answers lie, irrespective of fantasies of ancestral copulation that one may have to justify their current level of ignorance of the world view. Alas science just like it cousin - logic, too is a bitch.

Yes absolutely "Hindus" which in aptly in this thread tries to refer to inhabitants of India, indeed should be shameful of their history, for lack of ambition, lack of scientific inquiry, lack of technological breakthroughs, lack of empowerment of political will, tyranny, and tolerating loot and genocide by invaders in the subcontinent. Indeed Hindus should be shamed for all of it.

i think his name was raja dahir.read the book first.it's in history.you can't deny history.you can live in your fantasies and dream to become world power but reality is,you can't even make a tank which can fire straight.i am not talking about 5000 years.i am referring to books and how civilization inside your so called india has started.do you know about sri lanka or you never read about this country? i doubt it since most hindus can only learn things which only taught in their dirty indian literature.look at the world around you and get out of this nightmare.muslim trade ships used to travel from sri lanka to arabia.this is where your raja dahir attacked people and make them prisoners.we invaded,defeated your raja with pride.i don't know why you don't find it in books,see it on google if you know how to use it.we started settlements inside sindh after defeating you.this isn't a typical pakistani comment,it's a history.read it.