Muslims are being punished for not migrating to Pakistan: Azam Khan rakes up partition pitch

[SIPRA]

We are NOT fighting for indian Muslims. Look what fighting for the afghans did to us. The indians are more than welcome to eradicate one another. Couldn't care less. Not our problem.

My Dear; That is your personal view, with which some would agree and some wouldn't. What I am presenting, is not my view or desire, but an analysis, which arises out of the objective reckoning of the situation. In geopolitics, many things are done, not out of personal opinion or wishes, but out of the compulsion of circumstances.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

My Dear; That is your personal view, with which some would agree and some wouldn't. What I am presenting, is not my view or desire, but an analysis, which arises out of the objective reckoning of the situation. In geopolitics, many things are done, not out of personal opinion or wishes, but out of the compulsion of circumstances.

What will we achieve by fighting for a group of people who detest us more than the afghans do?

 

[SIPRA]

What will we achieve by fighting for a group of people who detest us more than the afghans do?

Read my post again. It is not about some achievement, but about compulsion of circumstances. In any case, we are discussing a scenario, which is close to impossible, in my view. I was merely responding to @padamchen, since he thought, that it is going to happen, in which I don't believe at all.

 

[war&peace]

I'm not diverting but directing you to the words of the father of your nation from the time your nation was birthed.

What more holds credence over that?

Cheers, Doc

Well, Hindus need to get rid of zoroastrians first as they are an invading race so they should be deported from Indian and Pakistan to Iran.

 

[Dubious]

Ok, exactly...what the hell is this thread about?

 

[SIPRA]

Ok, exactly...what the hell is this thread about?

This thread is about the hell, named India.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Ok, exactly...what the hell is this thread about?

Apparently the forthcoming extermination of indian Muslims by the hindus/sikhs. Some resident indians on PDF are claiming as such. Read the posts by padmachen or whatever his name is.

 

[padamchen]

Many times, in this life, one has to accept, what one doesn't like, very much. Whether Hindus and Muslims like it or not, it is their compulsion to seek a peaceful coexistence. The other course is total destruction, which, I am sure, they wouldn't go for.

Never forget that, in history, right from the times of Mohammad bin Qasim, Hindus and Muslims of Indian subcontinent have never really fought a totally devastating and destructive war, as has been a common phenomenon in west.

You are a decent new addition to PDF from the other side.

I used to think like you.

Events of the past few years have led me to believe that I only WANTED (very badly) to think what you are thinking.

For my adopted homeland and people.

Simply because the dark alternative premonition that keep nudging me, increasingly, and gnawing at the deepest recesses of my mind was so terrible that I needed to stay hidden.

I believe we have not yet been cooked to the degree Europe was before their butchery started.

I believe now that we are getting there.

Almost ready.

And it will make Europe and the holocaust look like a picnic.

Cheers, Doc

Our experience of hosting 3-10 million legal and illegal afghans for over 40 years which has done more damage to us than you guys could ever do is NOT happening AGAIN. You may think we'll be overrun but we have the will and means to keep the hordes out. They'll be butchered by your crazies before they even get that far anyway.

Let's get real.

No one can kill hundreds of millions of people without weapons of mass destruction.

There will be millions of refugees swarming north west. Not east. For there they will get flanked.

Cheers, Doc

 

[SIPRA]

Events of the past few years have led me to believe that I only WANTED (very badly) to think what you are thinking.

Simply because the dark alternative premonition that keep nudging me, increasingly, and gnawing at the deepest recesses of my mind was so terrible that I needed to stay hidden.

I believe we have not yet been cooked to the degree Europe was before their butchery started.

I believe now that we are getting there. Almost ready. And it will make Europe and the holocaust look like a picnic.

I still somehow don't agree with your analysis and foreboding. It may be that you are somewhat oversensitive person. What my study of the history tells me is that ultimately pragmatism comes into play, whenever sociopolitical circumstances have gone worse, in our part of the world.

I pray that may Allah give us all peace and sanity of mind.

 

[padamchen]

My friend,

Seems like you have finally seen the Blue Elephant I showed you a almost a couple years back... then you said you didn't understand what I meant!

Sad yet true...

Take care,

Mangus

Mangus I believe that armies never wage total war.

The complete conviction and depth of hatred only comes from civilian minds.

That is the reason that holds us from the edge.

Till now.

Cheers, Doc

 

[padamchen]

I still somehow don't agree with your analysis and foreboding. It may be that you are somewhat oversensitive person. What my study of the history tells me is that ultimately pragmatism comes into play, whenever sociopolitical circumstances have gone worse, in our part of the world.

I pray that may Allah give us all peace and sanity of mind.

Well, study of history, analyses, instinct etc. are all good and have their place.

But none of it can replace hard intelligence and what you see and hear and perceive on the ground, living among the people.

From the responses on this thread and others here in the past I believe that most Pakistanis are still living in an India if the 80s and 90s.

You have not, cannot have seen how India and Indians have changed. Especially the dynamics between the two biggest communities and society in general as a whole.

You guys still to put it bluntly see our Muslims as a smaller weaker shadow of yourselves, but still the ego of being Muslim overpowers sense and you have visions of Dawood and bomb blasts and Babri and Pulwama.

You do not see the broken spine of a community that has got totally left behind and the gulf widening every decade.

When Hitler started butchering the Jews, they were rich and at the top of the social ladder there.

Our Muslims are nothing like that. But their misery will not pause what is inexorably coming.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sugarcane]

Christian Indians start tightening their lungis as well, because after Muslims it will be their turn to do ghar wapsi.

 

[SIPRA]

You guys still to put it bluntly see our Muslims as a smaller weaker shadow of yourselves, but still the ego of being Muslim overpowers sense and you have visions of Dawood and bomb blasts and Babri and Pulwama.

I personally don't entertain the above expressed ideas. May be, some other Pakistani posters feel like that.

You do not see the broken spine of a community that has got totally left behind and the gulf widening every decade. Our Muslims are nothing like that. But their misery will not pause what is inexorably coming.

Nothing new. Muslims have had a subdued and subjugated existence in India, right from August 14, 1947. That was exactly the reason that Pakistan came into being, to begin with.

It is precisely for the above reasons that, I believe, that there would not be any mass scale action against Muslims by Indian/Hindu state and/or society. Some small scale incidences would keep on happening.

 

[padamchen]

My dear Watson,

True that. Armies/soldiers hate war. And rightly so. #WarIsStupid #OnlyStupidWantWar ... civlians want war.. it is the subconcious mind... you are a medicine man so you know better, of course.

Yesterday, I hinted at a factor...but you went la di da... perhaps mood swing.. no harm, no offence taken.

When speculating at the possibilty of horrors you are trying to convey in your colourful, provocative style... we need to model the possibilities before we can calculate probabilities.

I do believe that the Blue Elephant is now with the most of your countrymen... each carrying it around with different siezes... yet Shape is the same, it is the Form that is differing at different levels..

World is apathetic place... always was and perhaps always will be. Post-Post-Truth world full of disconnects..hence the need for violence, 'strong leader' syndrome...

Since, you have been trying to convey Momentum of History .... direction of that momentum is instructive. Must be revisited for validation... just to be sure...

Peacocks breed through tears?

Stick around and dont' go on forced holidays again... ever so sooon... would be boring!

I share your fears... horrors have started...

Lust for the kill ways always there... supreme leader on the throne provides the outlet with ease it was looking for.

Difficult to be certain of the totality of it though... let us hope for Peace.

Mangus

I must admit I am stumped by this cryptic blue elephant. Egyptian psycho dark arts demonic thriller versus rear ended disgusting urban colloquialisms.

Cheers, Doc

 

[padamchen]

I personally don't entertain the above expressed ideas. May be, some other Pakistani posters feel like that.



Nothing new. Muslims have had a subdued and subjugated existence in India, right from August 14, 1947. That was exactly the reason that Pakistan came into being, to begin with.

It is precisely for the above reasons that, I believe, that there would not be any mass scale action against Muslims by Indian/Hindu state and/or society. Some small scale incidences would keep on happening.

That's what I alluded to in a couple of previous posts.

The slow boiling of a frog. And the pacificism of the community infuriating and emboldening the ever widening other-paradigm bought in Hindu fringe further.

You or any perceptive outside reader looking in will note now that for more than a year, maybe two, the word "fringe" has disappeared from the narrative.

@Mangus Ortus Novem surely hadn't missed that ...

Cheers, Doc

Doc,

Your charms are as always disarming... why go to Eygpt... didn't you get the copy of Out of India Theory?

Peacocks in the desert dancing..tears gathered... chicks eaten by cobras...

Stick around old friend,

Mangus

Aaah I see.

You believe the heady manjan of master race reclaiming it's place in the sun is fueling all this.

Hitler's playbook.

I believe a large part of the mob is fueled by insecurities. That's where the script deviates from pre Nazi Germany.

Cheers, Doc