"Muslim" Teen stoned to death for violating Sharia law?

[crybaby]

Stoning was punishment for adultory in previous scriptures.

Bible: Deut:22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the ***** in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you...22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel....22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die;

Islam maintained that punishment for married person(adultory) for a period of time BUT finally punishment was changed to 100 lashes for both married & un-married.



Here r few points i would like to put to prove my point:-

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One way of changing some law is by stating it clearly to prophet.
Another way of changing some law is that God removes that law from memory of prophet & others.

[Quran:2:106]"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that God Hath power over all things?"
[87:6]"By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget, Except as God wills: For He knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden."

So verses about stoning were abrogated as evident in next point.

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Umar(ra) & other once remembered verses on stoning by-heart BUT all of them were made to forget them(c.f.Quran:2:106) that's why no such verse is seen in Qur'an.
Despite recalling that he memorised that verse Umar(ra) is un-able to recall the exact verse.

Bukhari:82:817:-
.......... Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him.................................. And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah's Book:...........


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Some Companions of Prophet Muhammad(saww) were of the point that Prophet gave stoning punishments BEFORE surah-al-Noor (was revealed in it's final shape with verse on stoning abrogated ):-

Bukhari:82:824:-
Narated By Ash-Shaibani : I asked 'Abdullah bin Abi 'Aufa about the Rajam (stoning somebody to death for committing illegal sexual intercourse). He replied, "The Prophet carried out the penalty of Rajam," I asked, "Was that before or after the revelation of Surat-an-Nur?" He replied, "I do not know."


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Law regarding adultory went through changes like Prophet gave 100lashes+EXILE to un-married WHILE Qura'n doesn't mention EXILE in Quran:24:2:-

Bukhari:48:817:-
Narated By Zaid bin Khalid : Allah's Apostle ordered that an unmarried man who committed illegal sexual intercourse be scourged one hundred lashes and sent into exile for one year.

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Another example of such change in laws was that initially 4 witnesses were required even if SPOUSE alleges other spouse.
But later SPOUSE was given more reliability as in Qura'n:24:6-7.


This story of change in rules in in this Hadees:

Bukhari:60:271:-

Narated By Ibn Abbas : Hilal bin Umaiya accused his wife of committing illegal sexual intercourse with Sharik bin Sahma' and filed the case before the Prophet. The Prophet said (to Hilal), "Either you bring forth a proof (four witnesses) or you will receive the legal punishment (lashes) on your back." Hilal said, "O Allah's Apostle! If anyone of us saw a man over his wife, would he go to seek after witnesses?" The Prophet kept on saying, "Either you bring forth the witnesses or you will receive the legal punishment (lashes) on your back." Hilal then said, "By Him Who sent you with the Truth, I am telling the truth and Allah will reveal to you what will save my back from legal punishment." Then Gabriel came down and revealed to him:

'As for those who accuse their wives...' (24.6-9) The Prophet recited it till he reached: '...(her accuser) is telling the truth.' Then the Prophet left and sent for the woman, and Hilal went (and brought) her and then took the oaths (confirming the claim). The Prophet was saying, "Allah knows that one of you is a liar, so will any of you repent?" Then the woman got up and took the oaths and when she was going to take the fifth one, the people stopped her and said, "It (the fifth oath) will definitely bring Allah's curse on you (if you are guilty)." So she hesitated and recoiled (from taking the oath) so much that we thought that she would withdraw her denial. But then she said, "I will not dishonour my family all through these days," and carried on (the process of taking oaths). The Prophet then said, "Watch her; if she delivers a black-eyed child with big hips and fat shins then it is Sharik bin Sahma's child." Later she delivered a child of that description. So the Prophet said, "If the case was not settled by Allah's Law, I would punish her severely."


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(I don't remember reference # for following hadees)
Once Prophet asked a man how he'd solve an issue, he replied he'll seek guidence from Qur'an.
Prophet asked IF he didn't find sulotion in Qur'an THEN???, he replied he'll seek guidence from Sunnah(Deeds of Prophet).
Prophet asked even IF he didn't find solution in sunnah THEN?
He replied he'll decide HIMSELF in light of Qur'an & Sunnah & Prophet praised him.


So here's the sequence for us to follow:-
Qur'an>>If Quran doesn't offer answer, ONLY THEN>>Sunnah>>If sunnah doesn't offer answer, ONLY THEN>>>Own Decision in light of Quran & Sunnah.

So when Quran says punishment for adultory is 100 lashes irrespective of marital status, we got our answer. There's no need to go any further.

Sur you are right stoning was carry over from christianity but PBUH thought it was too barbaric so he adviced lashes, even those lashes were in between soft & hard, something like mild

Adultery was prohibited for plenty of reasons & one such reason was to avoid spread of diseases during sexual contacts.

You know the Wahhabi doctrine is what has destroyed the image and essence of Islam? You guys are the ones who fund terrorism, instill hatred for anyone who is Non-Arab and create diffusion among the Ummah.

You people claim anyone who is not apart of your creed is not on Haq (True Path) or apart of your Ummah. Why do you guys support this claim?

i doubt his flag

 

[King Solomon]

It's very easy to put a survey in front of someone and ask them their opinion on an issue of whether they agree or dis-agree.

But put that issue right in front of them and tell them to commit an act - e.g. to witness someone being stoned or committing the actual stoning (which they might have agreed with in the survey) and you'll see they VERY few people will actually do it or support it.

Perhaps we should give the West a survey and hear their opinions on whether they would like to see Muslims being murdered or not. Despite the Muslims that they want to see murdered not even linked to to terrorism at all? What about all of the peaceful Muslims (P.S. Taliban aren't Muslims, they use their incorrect understanding of Islam to fund their terrorist activities) Majority will say yes, shocking isn't it?

P.S. it would be helpful if there was information on how many people & what type (with regards to economic class) were evaluated and surveyed. It's very easy to distort representations taken based on statistics. But if the statistics are accurate and correct, then so be it (it's not like we can challenge the people's opinions and it doesn't really affect you personally especially if you don't live in that country) People will always have changing opinions and very few will commit to an opinion that they know on paper sound's wrong and in reality, is far more disturbing.

I agree with you. If they were shown a video of someone stoning to death they wouldn't have supported it so much. But the survey, even if partially correct, still shows the ugly influence of wahhabism in pakistan and Egypt. I don't blame the people but the wahabi indoctrination seems to be pretty strong, from whatever outward sect (sunni, shia etc) people might be.

 

[crybaby]

what i cannot understand is why iran stones people to death,

Opinions reflect the collective morality of people. The statistic of pakistan and egypt is alarming.

As a female, do you agree with stoning to death punishment?

she wont, no one will even PBUH thought stoning was barbaric

 

[King Solomon]

what i cannot understand is why iran stones people to death,

she wont, no one will even PBUH thought stoning was barbaric

Yes, there is no verse in Quran to suggest stoning as punishment for adultery. The punishment prescribed is 100 lashes in public (not jail sentence) so that the perpretator is thoroughly humiliated and never repeats the crime again.

Now wait for the hadith idolizers to come and justify stoning to death.

 

[crybaby]

Yes, there is no verse in Quran to suggest stoning as punishment for adultery. The punishment prescribed is 100 lashes in public (not jail sentence) so that the perpretator is thoroughly humiliated and never repeats the crime again.

Now wait for the hadith idolizers to come and justify stoning to death.

is there any sahi hadith on adultery?

 

[King Solomon]

is there any sahi hadith on adultery?

There are (so-called) "sahih" hadiths (in bukhari, muslim etc) which legalizes prostitution, legalizes superstitious beliefs, sexually vilifies the character of Prophet Mohamed in the worst manner and legalizes treating women as subhumans etc.

Yes, the so-called "sahih" hadiths are the ones which says you should stone a women to death when she commits adultery. That is how extremists justify stoning to death - making so-caled "sahih" hadith references..

Only Quran is the law maker in islam. Pls see this post: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...d-death-violating-sharia-law.html#post2900049

 

[crybaby]

if my understanding is right one of the differnce between shia & sunni relates to sex, shia approves short duration marriages(one night stands) but a recorded one, they record one night stands to identify & curb the diseases during sexual contacts which is correct as condoms are only 10% successful in protecting the spread of diseases.

where in sunni only approves permanent marriage no short duration marriage here.

There are (so-called) "sahih" hadiths (in bukhari, muslim etc) which legalizes prostitution, legalizes superstitious beliefs, sexually vilifies the character of Prophet Mohamed in the worst manner and legalizes treating women as subhumans etc.

Yes, the so-called "sahih" hadiths are the ones which says you should stone a women to death when she commits adultery.

Only Quran is the law maker in islam. Pls see this post: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...d-death-violating-sharia-law.html#post2900049

i am not a expert on these hadiths, if what you say is true we need to discard hadiths as rules & go back to basics which is quran.

remembers hadiths are by scholars, only quran is the word of God.

 

[King Solomon]

if my understanding is right one of the differnce between shia & sunni relates to sex, shia approves short duration marriages(one night stands) but a recorded one, they record one night stands to identify & curb the diseases during sexual contacts

where in sunni only approves permanent marriage no short duration marriage here.


i am not a expert on these hadiths, if what you say is true we need to discard hadiths as rules & go back to basics which is quran.

remembers hadiths are by scholars, only quran is the word of God.

Exactly, and those differences arise because of so-called "hadiths", which are completely illegal to follow or uphold according to the Quran.

If everybody upheld the Quran to its own stature, there would be no divisions, no stoning to death, no legalized prostitution, no "one night stands", no suicide bombing, no terrorism, no extremism etc...

 

[crybaby]

Exactly, and those differences arise because of so-called "hadiths", which are completely illegal to follow or uphold according to the Quran.

If everybody upheld the Quran to its own stature, there would be no divisions, no stoning to death, no legalized prostitution, no "one night stands", no suicide bombing, no terrorism, no extremism etc...

how does Quran treat with people who justify hadiths but forget what Quran has to say?

 

[King Solomon]

how does Quran treat with people who justify hadiths but forget what Quran has to say?

According to Quran, our Prophet Mohammed will complain in the day of judgment to God because people left the Quran and started to follow these illegal "hadiths".

"And the Messenger said, 'My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur'an' " (Qur'an 25:30)

"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless "hadith" (yes, "hadith" is the word used in original Arabic), and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution. And when our revelations (Quran) are recited to the one of them, he turns away in arrogance as if he never heard them, as if his ears are deaf. Promise him a painful retribution." 31:6-7

There are many other references, but this should suffice for now.

 

[crybaby]

According to Quran, our Prophet Mohammed will complain in the day of judgment to God because people left the Quran and started to follow these illegal "hadiths".

There are many other references, but this should suffice for now.

Good catch S-19, hopefully it will open up the eyes further

Hadiths should be made irrelevant only Quran should be used as word of God.

 

[IbnAlwaled]

these kinda statements are interpretted in a wrong way by people who do not know islam, let me clarify what jihad means in islam

there are two types of jihad in islam

1) Internal jihad - means purifying your body with strong will to constantly imporve your health & standard of living, going to gym is a jihad, quitting smoking is a jihad, quit drinking is jihad, not doing any evil is a jihad, not abusing or being foul mouth is a jihad, not hurting others is a jihad, not insulting others is a jihad.

2) external jihad - means warfare & islam only allows warfare in self defence, anything to defend yourself if you voilate the code & attack someone who is not waging a war on you it is not Jihad & islam does not approve it & kindly remember even during defence islam does not allow killing women & children even if they are opponents one such recent incidence can be found in iraq where the resistance toppled a humvee & saw a woman they left the american woman soldier & asked her to go home (cant find the vidoe will post it when i find it)


The only difference was bought by Abdul wahab as he approved aggression this was in late 1800 & early 1900

Islam does not approve aggression, islam does not approve killing anyone who is not attacking you

some times i really doubt the country flags these posters use, people watching these kinda threads will think muslims are barbaric & false flaggers fuel that sentiment

now people using their twisted logic to justify killings using scriptures is Zionism,

Mosa has previously justified syrian killings using these scriptures "i.e that is a text book definition of zionism" making people submit using force.

Islam does not approve use of force to make your point, it encourages debate.

I am so sick of this politically correct passive Christian tolerated Islamic view that some people have.

The only difference was bought by Abdul wahab as he approved aggression this was in late 1800 & early 1900

This grossly inaccurate statement shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Did you mean Mohammed Ibn Abdullwahab? The one who died in 1792?

You know the Wahhabi doctrine is what has destroyed the image and essence of Islam? You guys are the ones who fund terrorism, instill hatred for anyone who is Non-Arab and create diffusion among the Ummah.

You people claim anyone who is not apart of your creed is not on Haq (True Path) or apart of your Ummah. Why do you guys support this claim?

What is Wahhabi doctrine? Is it the same as Al-Qaida doctrine?

instill hatred for anyone who is Non-Arab and create diffusion among the Ummah.

What utter nonsense.

 

[crybaby]

I am so sick of this politically correct passive Christian tolerated Islamic view that some people have.

This grossly inaccurate statement shows that you don't know what you are talking about. Did you mean Mohammed Ibn Abdullwahab? The one who died in 1792?


What is Wahhabi doctrine? Is it the same as Al-Qaida doctrine?

What utter nonsense.

hey Zionist show me your true face

are you saying Quran is wrong ?

 

[IbnAlwaled]

remembers hadiths are by scholars, only quran is the word of God.

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Scholars only transmit hadiths. They applied the strictest criteria possible to discern which hadiths are authentic and which are not, and didn't take into consideration what Atheists and new Pagans think of it.

hey Zionist show me your true face

are you saying Quran is wrong ?

When did I say or imply that?

 

[crybaby]

You missed my point, none of these links say that a death by stoning has occurred. The first lady, died in prison following her appeals process and all the other links don't even mention a conviction

Its just like the case of stoning announced in Iran whose sentence was never carried out
BBC News - Iran woman escapes stoning death for adultery


The fact of the matter is that stoning by death has not occurred as an official sanctioned punishment by states. Failed states like Somalia or Afghanistan don't count.

Yes Adultery is still a crime in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries - something that others might not agree with. But the punishment is no longer death and usually is a prison sentence with "lashings". Unfortunately, the court system even treats rape victims wrongly in this way
Saudi Gazette - Girl gets a year in jail, 100 lashes for adultery

to answer your question EjazR, it is un-islamic to stone people to death & Quran does not approve it.

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Scholars only transmit hadiths. They applied the strictest criteria possible to discern which hadiths are authentic and which are not, and don't take into consideration what Atheists and new Pagans think of it.


When did I say or imply that?

you can't get away here, Quran says mild 100 lashes in public to humiliate to avoid any further adultery, why do you justify stoning ?

scholars to me does not matter, what matters is only word of God.

looks like the little zionist shill has ran away