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You have some interesting fantansies. Do go on.
Not my fantasies. I was speaking in the hypothetical third person.
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You have some interesting fantansies. Do go on.
Not my fantasies. I was speaking in the hypothetical third person.
Yeah I figured, just pulling your leg.
This conversation is so dreary and serious...and I think I've been over all these issues before and just stashed them away somewhere and couldn't care less about talking about it more
I'm just hoping the UCC will get through asap.
Absolutely.
But remember. Its we non Muslims who have to fight for our Muslims on this. Because they will not fight for themselves. Because they cannot. Going back to the point I started with Joe on.
We need to provide the community the same perfect legal foil I spoke about with respect to the individual woman. So that guilt (at best) and righteous Jihad (at worst) does not take over. So that they can inwardly shrug their shoulders and say, we would love to live by the Sharia. Too bad the law of the land (this land) does not allow it.
And still not feel they are being bad Muslims for doing so.
It gives a standard option/protection in the short term while better education, exposure and emancipation do their work in the long term.
I like it!
Doesn't a muslim man have to seek permission of first (or existing) wives before he can marry another?
I haven't read about it in depth so am curious.
Yes, technically, but men in all countries and all religions are bastards.
You did not complete the most important part of your post.
Because I find it quite medieval and abhorrent to be honest.
Just as I as a married man would not be delirious with joy about 3 more guys giving it to my wife by turns different nights of the week, I am pretty certain no woman in the world is pretty excited about the obverse as well.
Hope that was crudely put but honest enough.
No reason for Indian girls to be put through that by legal sanction.
Where do we draw the line Joe. Mutaa and Misyar (one day marriages)?
I wanted to know more. Maybe you can help.
Is it a one time permission (at the time of marriage) or every night, from each individual wife separately?
I wanted to know more. Maybe you can help.
Is it a one time permission (at the time of marriage) or every night, from each individual wife separately?
My problem is with Islam, not with Muslims. It is also with Christianity, with Hinduism, with Buddhism, ....with the whole pack of them.
Muslims must be ready to be treated as absolutely equal in the eyes of the law. Within that boundary, they can do what they like, believe what they like, behave as they like. As long as they are Muslim Indians, nobody can hem them in.
It is individuals or groups that represent not themselves but a larger idea, a larger transcendental reality which does not come under the law that disturbs civilised society. My problem is with all religions as religions, in that they encourage violence in support of the beliefs preached within that religion, and present a future free of punishment under the law, because that future is a future outside the reach of the law of the land.
Not my fantasies. I was speaking in the hypothetical third person.
There are problems with / in Muslims.. but Islam is not problem..
I usbo and want to continue to agree with this statement. The trend of events however make this increasingly difficult.
For example I used to think that when teenagers get radicalized it is to do with ghetto poverty - then a bunch of rich muslim teenagers proved that wrong.
I used to think it is the illiterate and uneducated muslims that get radicalized - only to be proven wrong by a bunch of well educated muslim youth also did not feel any qualms in shooting up their fellow human beings
I used to think it is only muslims in certain countries - but then a succession of second generation muslims in developed countries proved that wrong.
remember radicalized almost always seems to imply massacre killing and violent behavior.
So then I have to look at what other common thread exists if it is not wealth, education, social demographics, nationality, race and ethnicity.
One thing and only one thing stands out: islam
I am hoping to be wrong on this
Well if Malaysia and Indonesia are the upper thresholds for peaceful integration....I think things aren't going that well!Depends on how one quantifies the problem. There are plenty of Islamic nations where minorities thrive but one's selective bias will now allow it. Take Malaysia or Indonesia, or the Maldives, or Senegal. However, due to your own selectiveness in this issue you will fail to acknowledge this like all those jumping on the bandwagon of fear.
In this modern age referencing a 10 years old work is considered a bad practise but 1000 years old one's....nah!It's all good!The problem is that Muslims follow a book written 1400 years ago word by word. What makes it even worse is that the book is open to different interpretations due to ambiguous nature of the Arabic language. Ideally they should translate the old book to simple English so that everyone can understand it but then it won't be God's words. God apparently only speaks Arabic.
Based on what comparative metric with what other group that has 1 billion adherents spread over half the world?Well if Malaysia and Indonesia are the upper thresholds for peaceful integration....I think things aren't going that well!