Muslim Indians Should Demand A Seperate Nation:--

[Norwegian]

There wont be a sindhudesh when pakistan eventually breaks up India will conquer Sindh and if our sikh brothers feel can even conquer their holy lands in Pakistani punjab as for Baluchistan and pakhtoonistan they both wont remain independent for long and will probably assimilate with Iran and Afghanistan. Everybody should get its share in the piece of cakes equally.

There will be a nuclear winter all over Sub-Continent before the next breakup of Pakistan. Hamne Patakhe Dikhane Kelie Nahin Banae. Haha

 

[Joe Shearer]

He talks about 'moderation'. What moderation? You cannot moderate as a nation and country unless you eliminate all extremist elements from your society. This was how Germany got 'moderated' post WW2 by denazification and Japan by 'disbanding' its military might. Can India and Pakistan do the same? I do not think so!!!

Who will put hands on those lakhs of hate-preaching Madrassahs that are hotbeds of Islamic fueled extremism and terrorism, both domestically and internationally? Who will stop RSS, Shiv Sena and other radical Hindu organisations from being in power? You see, its not that simple. Simple words cannot moderate two countries with hundred and millions of people.

I don't think much of that specious argument. As if society does not contain fringe elements, always, as if families don't contain their share of idiots, as if human beings don't have their neuroses. Who said that a society or a country can't be moderate unless and until it eliminates all extremist elements from within itself? Does the presence of an individual lunatic who kills dozens of innocents mean that Norway as a whole is not moderate?

Furthermore, do try and figure out the distinction between moderate used as verb and moderate used as noun.

I get the translation Sir but what was the reason you post this in reply of my post. I am not geting your point.

Who did you see presiding over this comity of small nations?

@Joe Shearer @Arsalan
The official governments of Israel and Palestine are pretty moderate, yet the majority of people living in those two political entities are not even close from being moderate. On the Palestinian side we have Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist outfits masquerading as 'freedom' fighters. On the Israeli side we have Temple Mount extremists, crazy Judean settlers and other nut-jobs who believe God acted as a real estate agent 4000 years ago when he gave this chunk of land to the Children of Israel for ever. With such circumstances, there can never be peace between these two, no matter how many official peace treaties they ink on the paper. They are not even worth the paper they are written on.

You have an extremely tenuous grip on demographics. Do you really feel that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians are extremists, because they contain extremist organisations?

 

[Norwegian]

You have an extremely tenuous grip on demographics. Do you really feel that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians are extremists, because they contain extremist organisations?

If majority can easily outvote minority of extremists, it sure can outlaw them. What's stopping majority of Palestinians outlaw terrorist factions among their ranks? It's because they don't even see blood of innocent Jews as injustice, rather as revenge and "punishment" for their past crimes.
As for Israelis, they have banned one or few extremist outfits. But it doesn't help when those banned members join less extremist parties once again and then push their agenda in stealth mode.

 

[Rasengan]

India is becoming divided on religious lines and the seed of hatred is spreading across the masses on a monumental scale. This outcome is wonderful for Pakistan and we should finance groups who have the aspiration to work towards this goal. In conclusion India will suffer and its image will be tarnished across the world.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Who did you see presiding over this comity of small nations?

For sure the native people.

 

[RealNapster]

Then what is Pakistan???

title state "indian muslims" . case closed

 

[FullMetalJacket]

According to OP. It's absolutely fine for minorities to demand and fight for a seperate state from a country where they country reside in. A totally ludicrous idea. By that logic the black population of America should demand for a seperate state, the muslims in Europe should start creating seperate states if they are being treated badly. And finally, the minorities in Pakistan should also start demanding for a seperate state because they're being looked down upon by mainstream pakistanis, except this has already happened to them in 1971, but that's another story. Instead of abolishing the extremists and bringing the idea of tolerace in a "live and let live" manor, the OP states that a more extremist measure is the most sane idea in dealing with such conflicts. What an absolute turd.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

@WebMaster you have created a thread few days ago " how we can make PDF better" ? Now you see how PDF is becoming subject of partiality. If an indian starts a thread on Baluchistan , they gets immediately ban. Now you are allowing Pakistani posters to starts a movement against India on religion base on PDF . That's the way you wants to make PDF better?? @waz plz ban this thread.

 

[Joe Shearer]

If majority can easily outvote minority of extremists, it sure can outlaw them. What's stopping majority of Palestinians outlaw terrorist factions among their ranks? It's because they don't even see blood of innocent Jews as injustice, rather as revenge and "punishment" for their past crimes.
As for Israelis, they have banned one or few extremist outfits. But it doesn't help when those banned members join less extremist parties once again and then push their agenda in stealth mode.

They might not want to ban them. They might believe in letting them say and think what they want. Not all of Hezbolla is armed fighting men. There are extremists in every society, including the idyllic Norwegian society. So what?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Did i read it right Porkis talking about tarnishing someone else's image

Nationality Insult
@Manticore @Slav Defence @Horus

 

[Joe Shearer]

For sure the native people.

That's not what you wrote.

 

[Norwegian]

They might not want to ban them. They might believe in letting them say and think what they want. Not all of Hezbolla is armed fighting men. There are extremists in every society, including the idyllic Norwegian society. So what?

We had one brain dead man who got himself locked up for life for his crimes against humanity. We, however do not have gangs of terrorists roaming the streets of Norway, killing innocents every other day like a systematic disease. It's happening in India and Israel each and every day. Innocent bystanders are dying each day like insects and roaches with no end in sight. And the wave of violence is only growing as the root cause of the problem is not resolved.

 

[utraash]

Muslims are minorities in India. As minorities, they are oppressed by overwhelming Hindu majority. But is Pakistan any better example? Our people burned Christans alive for allegedly destroying Koran. Hindu girls have been forcibly converted and then married off to Muslim men in Pakistan. It's all documented. Qadiani homes are burnt down each year, their places of worship destroyed, their people kidnapped and killed all in the name of Islam. And yet we have the chutzpah to criticize India?

Muslims are not as such, this so called"Oppression of Muslim" has been projected by pseudo seculars in our country. But that doesn't mean we don't have any religious fault lines which allows such discrimination, we completely own our shortcomings as a nation which is why we hear so much hue n cry on the issues of minorities. Sometimes its good but not all the time .... Same time we as a nation have not just fairly done to keep the diverse values intact but also helped all diverse n conflicting culture to flourish amicably without any major rifts....
Also a sense of victimhood should go away amongst the Muslims as there are many unnoticed minority(Parsi, Jain n Buddhist) which are contributing every bit to build this nation without any clamouring....
Muslims case also doesn't get any serious attention from others is the habit of pointing towards ills of the system/others without any serious introspection within their own society which is the actual hindrance to their growth..... To be brutal until moulana or mullahs rule over them there is no iota of hope for me ....

 

[Arsalan]

I also happened to be a former Pakistani. As I was born and grew up in Pakistani, I think I can comment on failed two-nation theory.

I don't think so. I mean you already chickened out, you left the place, India/Pakistan because of your weakness to stand up and correct the things. I would have said you have the rights if you were fighting it out here but as you yourself said, now, as a Norwegian, i guess it is non of your concern. The verdict on two nation theory can be passed effectively by the two nations involved and not a third one.

Moderation is not possible as both sides have bred and fed religious extremists from opposing religions since 1947!

I understand you would say that as you have given up hope but not everyone. I come across many people from India,from Pakistan who still believe that things can and will improve. I understand that we are not going to fall in love with each other, the differences will be there but more and more people want to live together now, live in peace.
Have we not seen allies fighting out each other and enemies becoming allies in the past? being is EU i don't think you will have to look too far away to see what i mean.

 

[Norwegian]

Muslims are not as such, this so called"Oppression of Muslim" has been projected by pseudo seculars in our country. But that doesn't mean we don't have any religious fault lines which allows such discrimination, we completely own our shortcomings as a nation which is why we hear so much hue n cry on the issues of minorities. Sometimes its good but not all the time .... Same time we as a nation have not just fairly done to keep the diverse values intact but also helped all diverse n conflicting culture to flourish amicably without any major rifts....
Also a sense of victimhood should go away amongst the Muslims as there are many unnoticed minority(Parsi, Jain n Buddhist) which are contributing every bit to build this nation without any clamouring....
Muslims case also doesn't get any serious attention from others is the habit of pointing towards ills of the system/others without any serious introspection within their own society which is the actual hindrance to their growth..... To be brutal until moulana or mullahs rule over them there is no iota of hope for me ....

Muslim faith comes with a sense of entitlement. Muslim kids are not usually raised as other kids with values of reward after hardwork. Instead they are told from early childhood that being Muslims, the are heaven bound unlike those non-Muslim Kafirs who are automatically hell bound for being non-Muslims. With such non-sense, its obvious why only Muslim community feels victimized? Bollywood is a living proof that India has system of merit and those Muslims with merit will succeed anywhere in India without using any victim card as a trophy!