Muslim girl can marry at 15 if she attains puberty: HC

[Yeti]

Some girls do mature quicker to others but is this a example we wish to set? in my view not btw in Poland the age of consent is 15

 

[gambit]

You can call it pedophilia, pervertness..... whatever you want......but the (scientific)fact is, Men prefer younger women and VICE VERSA.......
This is the law of nature......you can make a conscious effort to deviate from it, but, as a human being, you are also govern by it......

Therefore it's of no use trying to control what you can't.....

For example, even though the legal age of sexual consent is 13 yrs. in Spain, but surprisingly, most of the World's Youngest Mothers(as young as 9 yrs) hail from U.S.A where the legal age for sexual consent is between 17-18 yrs......

List of youngest birth mothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can term our society as 'regressive' for 'practicing' 'child marriage'(though it is banned now) BUT, in so called 'progressive' societies like yours you can't stop women from being mothers as young as 9 yrs.(and mind you, these are NOT 1/2 exceptional incidents--see link above)

So the bottom line is, since men NATURALLY seek younger women and VICE VERSA....the difference between their ages is bound to increase.....
Now, there HAS to be a (lower)limit.....and since it is observed that no-matter how 'progressive' OR 'regressive' the society is, people generally tend to engage in sexual activities on the onset of puberty, therefore why not be practical and make the legal age for sexual consent as per the onset of puberty and make life easier for everyone........

So the gist of your argument is this: Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.

Next it will be: Old enough to pee, old enough for me.

Good job at taking humanity back a few hundreds yrs.

 

[oFFbEAT]

So the gist of your argument is this: Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.

Next it will be: Old enough to pee, old enough for me.

Good job at taking humanity back a few hundreds yrs.

Why not.....this is the logical way.......
you have a legal age for voting, legal age for driving,legal age for boozing etc. etc...........i.e the society/govt.(depending upon countries) is telling you when you're old enough to do certain things.......
Then what's wrong with a legal age for breeding.........it is more logical than setting all the other legal ages as, UNLIKE the other legal ages, NATURE itself indicates when you are old enough to breed......i.e nature itself sets the legal/natural age for breeding.......
AND it has been observed that deviating from the 'legal' age set by nature is just a waste of time and energy.....i.e even if you set the legal age for sex higher, you cannot stop people from having sex on the onset of puberty.......as you have seen in the link provided by me above(post #75)
Therefore IMHO, complying with nature is the most logical way........

 

[Nair saab]

Why not.....this is the logical way.......
you have a legal age for voting, legal age for driving,legal age for boozing etc. etc...........i.e the society/govt.(depending upon countries) is telling you when you're old enough to do certain things.......
Then what's wrong with a legal age for breeding.........it is more logical than setting all the other legal ages as, UNLIKE the other legal ages, NATURE itself indicates when you are old enough to breed......i.e nature itself sets the legal/natural age for breeding.......
AND it has been observed that deviating from the 'legal' age set by nature is just a waste of time and energy.....i.e no-matter how hard you try to deviate from nature you cannot stop people from having sex on the onset of puberty.......as you have seen in the link provided by me above(post #75)
Therefore IMHO, complying with nature is the most logical way........

ya Go natures Way & run Naked on the Streets ... have Sex on Roadside like Dogs ...

 

[gambit]

Why not.....this is the logical way.......
you have a legal age for voting, legal age for driving,legal age for boozing etc. etc...........i.e the society/govt.(depending upon countries) is telling you when you're old enough to do certain things.......
Then what's wrong with a legal age for breeding.........it is more logical than setting all the other legal ages as, UNLIKE the other legal ages, NATURE itself indicates when you are old enough to breed......i.e nature itself sets the legal/natural age for breeding.......
AND it has been observed that deviating from the 'legal' age set by nature is just a waste of time and energy.....i.e no-matter how hard you try to deviate from nature you cannot stop people from having sex on the onset of puberty.......as you have seen in the link provided by me above(post #75)
Therefore IMHO, complying with nature is the most logical way........

Very good. A vote contribute to an opinion and affects millions in consequence, so it is good to have the voting age of 18 calendar years. Alcohol impairs the brain and the mind, so it is good to have the alcohol age of 21 calendar years. Child bearing is greater than both voting and alcohol in that we are producing the next generation of humanity, so it is good to have a LEGAL child bearing age of 18 or 21 calendar years when the female is sufficiently of matured mind and body.

 

[Juice]

15? Heck, I thought they could get married at 9.

 

[gambit]

15? Heck, I thought they could get married at 9.

There are plenty of pre-teen girls in my neighborhood. The kids often leave their toys in my front yard, everything from skateboards to bicycles. I do not care. The boys would often chase or wave at me on their bikes when I leave for work on my motorcycle. This is the way it should be. Let the kids get curious about sex and marriage at their own pace when EACH get to that point.

So for those who would GLADLY stick their dicks into little girls, I will ask you this...

If you would send your little daughters into marriage, would you be equally willing to send your little boys into war?

THAT is what they will be facing.

 

[Safriz]

teenage girls start having sex in western world at 12. There are many 14/15 year old mothers near where i live,i see them everyday..
Better to marry than shagg random men every other night.

There are plenty of pre-teen girls in my neighborhood. The kids often leave their toys in my front yard, everything from skateboards to bicycles. I do not care. The boys would often chase or wave at me on their bikes when I leave for work on my motorcycle. This is the way it should be. Let the kids get curious about sex and marriage at their own pace when EACH get to that point.

So for those who would GLADLY stick their dicks into little girls, I will ask you this...

If you would send your little daughters into marriage, would you be equally willing to send your little boys into war?

THAT is what they will be facing.

So basically,you are saying sex and war are the same?

 

[Icewolf]

Funny gambit protesting against marriage at 15 when most grls in shining America have sex at 15-16

 

[Juice]

Funny gambit protesting against marriage at 15 when most grls in shining America have sex at 15-16

At least we don't marry them off at 9, and the reason you read about it in the US is because it is illegal (in other words "news"). In Islamic areas, many nations say you can have sex with infants (in other words "nothing to see here, it's legal")

 

[gambit]

teenage girls start having sex in western world at 12. There are many 14/15 year old mothers near where i live,i see them everyday..
Better to marry than shagg random men every other night.



So basically,you are saying sex and war are the same?

Too chickensh1t to answer the question?

But at least the man know his 'partner' -- the little girl -- cannot offer any resistance to his sexual advances while you know the little boy will be facing a full grown adult man capable of doing serious harm. So yes, it is far easier to advocate adult-child sex under marriage license than to advocate child soldiering.

Good job.

 

[mjnaushad]

At least we don't marry them off at 9, and the reason you read about it in the US is because it is illegal (in other words "news"). In Islamic areas, many nations say you can have sex with infants (in other words "nothing to see here, it's legal")

I see what that 9 is coming from.....

This wont stop you from trolling but still


http://www.scribd.com/doc/7250931/Truth-About-the-Age-of-Hazrat-Ayeshas-Age



Was Hazrath Aisha 9 years old when she got married?
Mir Murad Alikhan Bait-ul -Qayem NJ
EVIDENCE #1: Reliability of Source
Most of the narratives printed in the books of hadith are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah son of
Zubair, and Urwah’s mother was Aisha sister Asma, who was reporting on the authority of his
father. First of all, more people than just one, two or three should logically have reported. It is
strange that no one from Medina, where Hisham ibn `Urwah lived the first 71 years of his life
narrated the event, despite the fact that his Medinan pupils included the well-respected Malik ibn
Anas. The origins of the report of the narratives of this event are people from Iraq, where Hisham is
reported to have shifted after living in Medina for most of his life.
Tehzibu’l-Tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of
the traditions of the Prophet, reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: “He [Hisham] is highly
reliable, his narratives are acceptable, except what he narrated after moving over to Iraq”
(Tehzi’bu’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, 15th century. Vol 11, p.
50).
It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reportedthrough people in Iraq: “I have been told that Malik objected on those narratives of Hisham whichwere reported through people of Iraq” (Tehzi’b u’l-tehzi’b, Ibn Hajar Al-`asqala’ni, Dar Ihya al-turath al-Islami, Vol.11, p. 50).
Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, another book on the life sketches of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophetreports: “When he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly” (Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, Al-Zahbi, Al-Maktabatu’l-athriyyah, Sheikhupura, Pakistan, Vol. 4, p. 301).
CONCLUSION: Based on these references, Hisham’s memory was failing and his narratives while
in Iraq were unreliable. So, his narrative of Ayesha’s marriage and age are unreliable.
CHRONOLOGY: It is vital also to keep in mind some of the pertinent dates in the history of Islam:
pre-610 CE: Jahiliya (pre-Islamic age) before revelation
610 CE: First revelation
610 CE: AbuBakr accepts Islam
613 CE: Prophet Muhammad begins preaching publicly.
615 CE: Emigration to Abyssinia
616 CE: Umar bin al Khattab accepts Islam
620 CE: Generally accepted betrothal of Ayesha to the Prophet
622 CE: Hijrah (emigation to Yathrib, later renamed Medina)
623/624 CE: Generally accepted year of Ayesha living with the Prophet
EVIDENCE #2: According to Tabari:
ي          أ    ىا ا  هو ا او ياا ذ
ثرا  نهد  هذ  ة    نور مأ ها  أ جوو ءأو ا  ت
  نور مأ ه  لو آ     
 ذأ  ب       
دوأ  را ءه  و ا  ت آ      ثرا  نهد  
ها  ه ا وز  اوو
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However, in another work, Al-Tabari says: “All four of his [Abu Bakr’s] children were born of his
two wives during the pre-Islamic period” (Tarikhu’l-umam wa’l-mamlu’k, Al-Tabari (died 922), Vol.
2, p. 616, Arabic, Mausasth Ilmi, Beirut, 1979).
If Ayesha was betrothed in 620 CE (at the age of seven) and started to live with the Prophet in 624
CE (at the age of nine), that would indicate that she was born in 613 CE and was nine when she
began living with the Prophet. Therefore, based on one account of Al-Tabari, the numbers show
that Ayesha must have born in 613 CE, three years after the beginning of revelation (610 CE).
Tabari also states that Ayesha was born in the pre-Islamic era (in Jahiliya). If she was born before
610 CE, she would have been at least 14 years old when she began living with the Prophet.
Essentially, Tabari contradicts himself.
EVIDENCE #3 : Ayesha’s Age in relation to Asma’s Age
    آأ هو
.
   ا  نأ  و
.
  ا و
.
ث  ذو
 و
.
According to Abda’l-Rahman ibn abi zanna’d: “Asma was 10 years older than Ayesha (Siyar
A`la’ma’l-nubala’, Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, p. 289, Arabic, Mu’assasatu’l-risalah, Beirut, 1992).
According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by 10 years” (Al-Bidayah wa’l-
nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 371, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933).
According to Ibn Kathir: “She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year [73 AH], as we have
already mentioned, and five days later she herself died. According to other narratives, she died not
after five days but 10 or 20, or a few days over 20, or 100 days later. The most well known
narrative is that of 100 days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old.” (Al-Bidayah
wa’l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 372, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933); Ibne Asakir vol69 Page
18; Alsunnan Alkubra Albehaqi Vol6 Page204
According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani: “She [Asma] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH.”
(Taqribu’l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, p. 654, Arabic, Bab fi’l-nisa’, al-harfu’l-alif, Lucknow).
According to almost all the historians, Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was 10 years older than
Ayesha. If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of
the hijrah.
If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old.Thus, Ayesha, being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra, she started to cohabit with the Prophetbetween at either 19 to 20 years of age.
EVIDENCE #4: Surat al-Qamar (The Moon)
According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha was born about eight years before hijrah.
 إ ل ه   أ ل هأ   نأ   مه    هاإ 
أ ر إو  و  ا    لأ   ا مأ 
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ه ا 
أو هدأ او
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But according to another narrative in Bukhari, Ayesha is reported to have said: “I was a young girl(jariyah in Arabic)” when Surah Al-Qamar was revealed (Sahih Bukhari, kitabu’l-tafsir, Bab QaulihiBal al-sa`atu Maw`iduhum wa’l-sa`atu adha’ wa amarr).
Chapter 54 of the Quran was revealed eight years before hijrah (The Bounteous Koran, M.M. Khatib,
1985), indicating that it was revealed in 614 CE. If Ayesha started living with the Prophet at the age
of nine in 623 CE or 624 CE, she was a newborn infant (sibyah in Arabic) at the time that Surah Al-
Qamar (The Moon) was revealed. According to the above tradition, Ayesha was actually a young
girl, not an infant in the year of revelation of Al-Qamar. Jariyah means young playful girl (Lane’s
Arabic English Lexicon). So, Ayesha, being a jariyah not a sibyah (infant), must be somewhere
between 6-13 years old at the time of revelation of Al-Qamar, and therefore must have been 14-21
years at the time she married the Prophet.
CONCLUSION: This tradition also contradicts the marriage of Ayesha at the age of nine.
EVIDENCE #5: Arabic Terminology (The Bakra)
 ه   و  أ  ل و    ل     أ  ا  
  ل جو أ ا لر   ن  ن ةأا    تء
 نإو ا  نإ 
 أ   إ و  ا  أ ا  ا  ل 
According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of the Prophet’s first wife
Khadijah, when Khaulah came to the Prophet advising him to marry again, the Prophet asked her
regarding the choices she had in mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who
has already been married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet asked the identity of the bikr (virgin),
Khaulah mentioned Ayesha’s name.
All those who know the Arabic language are aware that the word bikr in the Arabic language is notused for an immature nine-year-old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier,is jariyah. Bikr on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady without conjugal experience priorto marriage, as we understand the word “virgin” in English. Therefore, obviously a nine-year-oldgirl is not a “lady” (bikr) (Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Vol. 6, p. .210, Arabic, Dar Ihya al-turath al- `arabi, Beirut).
CONCLUSION: The literal meaning of the word, bikr (virgin), in the above hadith is “adult
woman with no sexual experience prior to marriage.” Therefore, Ayesha was an adult woman
at the time of her marriage.
SUMMARY:
The narrative of the marriage of nine-year-old Ayesha by Hisham ibn `Urwah cannot be held true
when it is contradicted by many other reported narratives. Moreover, there is absolutely no reason
to accept the narrative of Hisham ibn `Urwah as true when other scholars, including Malik ibn Anas,
view his narrative while in Iraq, as unreliable. Thus, the narrative of Ayesha’s age at the time of
the marriage is not reliable due to the clear contradictions seen in the works of classical scholars of
Islam.
The above proves 100% that aeysha was not 6 or 9 or 4 when she got married it is a as myth.She was at least 17, Moreover, the Quran rejects the marriage of immature girls and boys aswell as entrusting them with responsibilitie

 

[gambit]

Funny gambit protesting against marriage at 15 when most grls in shining America have sex at 15-16

Funny how you avoided my question.

 

[Icewolf]

@Juice

You are very mistaken... So when you read about it here, that means it's also illegal, dearie. Yet having sex at early age is promoted in Western culture they even have a TV show about it!

There are backwards people in every country but I was making my point that this happens everywhere.

@gambit

I never said I would let my daughter get married at such early age, but yes if my country was in war I would definently send my son to war if we was old enough to be INDUCTED

 

[oFFbEAT]

Very good. A vote contribute to an opinion and affects millions in consequence, so it is good to have the voting age of 18 calendar years. Alcohol impairs the brain and the mind, so it is good to have the alcohol age of 21 calendar years. Child bearing is greater than both voting and alcohol in that we are producing the next generation of humanity, so it is good to have a LEGAL child bearing age of 18 or 21 calendar years when the female is sufficiently of matured mind and body.

You are right except that the natural/legal age for sex is set by nature at a lower age than 18/21......

Nature is seldom incorrect.....therefore when nature itself is saying and science is corroborating that women are ready for the job at a certain age, then I think we should consider it........NOT that the woman should be forced to have sex/bear a child as soon as she reaches puberty, but she should be able to choose if she wants.......