Muslim Brainwashing...Radicalisation of Muslims in germany.

[harshad]

your being burnt alive in western countries. BBC News - Indian man attacked and set alight in Melbourne

if you're so integrated go ahead and explain this example (though many more exist, in fact most racial attacks tend to be on indians in the west).

the differences here are not for religious reasons,it doesnt say attack on hindu,it can be an attack on indian hindu,muslim,sikh and christian as well,i also heard that a pakistan was attacked,the difference here is of skin colour and not religion
the immigrants are hated because they take up jobs,earn more than the locals,no manners,etc it has nothing to do with religion

where as in case of muslims they try to impose their will on the society so they are not able to integrate with other people,like the swiss flag issue,sharia law,etc

 

[AUz]

Racism is still pretty intense in the united states. Particularly when it comes to blacks and "Muslims". Not that the Muslims are a race..

Everyone who has ever lived and worked in the states for a long period of time knows about this. It is especially bad when it comes to the bible belt. Indians and Chinese have not faced that much ire because most of our kids and adults are intellectually strong and are able to hold their own in any situation. But this does not mean that we are somehow " better " or more " accepted " . It simply means the hate has not reached the Indian and Chinese communities in a large scale.....yet.

Well what do you think Islam haters target the most? Yes ...THE SIKHS because they look like it ....Being intellectually stronger has nothing to do here..If you are a new immigrant,no matter how smart you are,you're still look down upon.Afghanis,specially Afghani girls, are VERY smart.They learn to speak English quicker than we (Indian/Pakis) do...but still it doesn't make them safe from racism...The problem is that Americans are VERY ill-informed about the world.Just take this : Glen Beck on fox news was,I guess,the most popular guy LOL! People listented to "him" !!!!!!! What else you can expect?

 

[Mech]

Well what do you think Islam haters target the most? Yes ...THE SIKHS because they look like it ....Being intellectually stronger has nothing to do here..If you are a new immigrant,no matter how smart you are,you're still look down upon.Afghanis,specially Afghani girls, are VERY smart.They learn to speak English quicker than we (Indian/Pakis) do...but still it doesn't make them safe from racism...The problem is that Americans are VERY ill-informed about the world.Just take this : Glen Beck on fox news was,I guess,the most popular guy LOL! People listented to "him" !!!!!!! What else you can expect?

I was merely highlighting one of the reasons why we're not being targeted. And yes sir, you are right....they do tend to stereotype a lot.

 

[Major Ram]

You need to be in a majority before any Indian dares do anything physically mischievious, which has it's advantages to host nations. Being second largest won't make any difference.

You said that Indians should be more in numbers to be able to do anything, now that you know that we're 2nd largest in north America and Europe, you want us to be in majority to be able to do something!! You should first decide what you want to contemplate and then come back. By the way, as per your logic Muslims should be in majority to be able to do 9/11!! And we both know that its not true so what are you even talking about think tank?

The reference wasn't for cultural domination. It was an example of imposing culture to the same degree that Muslims try to impose their culture (the Hindu extremists are present to the same extent as the Muslim extremists). eg. the Hindu extremists protesting for banjo the diseased bull are about the same in number as the muslim extremists protesting for Sharia.

Oh god.. I can't believe you. Some people are protesting against killing of an animal and you compare it to the entire sharia law thing? Do they impose the fasting for 9 days in Navaratri or chanting Hanuman Chalisa every Saturday on that country? Do they impose the teachings of Geeta on entire country? Listen mate, I don't mean to insult you or something but honestly you just don't deserve to be a think tank. You can't even answer or compare basic things. This is disgusting.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

your being burnt alive in western countries. BBC News - Indian man attacked and set alight in Melbourne

if you're so integrated go ahead and explain this example (though many more exist, in fact most racial attacks tend to be on indians in the west).

look don't turn this tread into an racial one based on skin color its not related to the discussion neither it's a india versus Islam. Islam is as much a part of india as much as it is part of you so please dont start your usual rant, indian of which there are a large numbers of muslims along with other indian community, are doing pretty good in the west the topic is not racial but discrimination against a religious group of people which exist not from indians or NRI's but from the rightist political freaks of our very own west the conservative white lobby yes its a problem . & what makes the situation more problematic for us Muslims is when Mischief maker's like the shariah brigade, in a secular western country are up @ it thier usual nonsense which only helps give's encouragement to those very anti muslim group's we need to realize this that these people are only giving problem not that much to non-muslims but to us muslims only eg: when a stupid kid with a not so constructive emotion's with sensitive subject's like the israeli/palestine,kashmir,afghanistan,chechnya etc issue ,goes ahead & does something dangerous who gets targeted? its we muslims who has to face the music of backlash which cause's a setback to the very cause eg israeli/palestine issue etc ' i mean come on thanks God today for the rational & logical thinking of our youths & leader's has led to the historic palestinian admission in the Unesco Membership with India voting in favour of it. yes there is an issue of some black sheeps in the indian society but have i full hope that the secular India will prevail over those rightist freaks like sardar patel & his ilk's these rigthist block never did, never will rule this blessed country after all it is. it was & it will always be Late shrimati mrs.Indira Gandhi's "India" ( may Allah bless her amin) had she been alive today these "right wing curse" would have been wiped out. All india needs is another indira then trust me the BJP & it like's will become history.

 

[thegreensprite]

I think radicalization of Muslims is generally happening amongst the uneducated all over the world, not just in Germany.

 

[Night_Raven]

hitler was also radicalized in Germany
wus yo point?

There is concern regarding radicalization and the concern is genuine given what catastrophe it can lead to unless it's checked in time and nipped in the bud.

Hitler , Atta -- both mass murderers ... both radicalized on ideologies ...

 

[roadrunner]

You said that Indians should be more in numbers to be able to do anything, now that you know that we're 2nd largest in north America and Europe, you want us to be in majority to be able to do something!! You should first decide what you want to contemplate and then come back.

You misunderstood first time. I'm very consistent

Oh god.. I can't believe you. Some people are protesting against killing of an animal and you compare it to the entire sharia law thing? Do they impose the fasting for 9 days in Navaratri or chanting Hanuman Chalisa every Saturday on that country? Do they impose the teachings of Geeta on entire country? Listen mate, I don't mean to insult you or something but honestly you just don't deserve to be a think tank. You can't even answer or compare basic things. This is disgusting.

If living with diseased animals is against the laws of a country, why should Hindus be allowed to do it? Is it not wanting to impose a foreign culture on the host country?

Explain how that would be different to a set of people wanting to impose Sharia law on a non Sharia country.

They're exactly the same things.

 

[roadrunner]

it was Gangotri the bull not Banjo the bull

 

[roadrunner]

silence.. quelle suprise

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

it was Gangotri the bull not Banjo the bull

so their petition was rejected wasn't it ?

and the bull was ultimately killed.

Besides the reasons the Govt gave for the slaughter were questionable . I think even PETA activists protested . So its not fundamentalism.

 

[roadrunner]

so their petition was rejected wasn't it ?

and the bull was ultimately killed.

Besides the reasons the Govt gave for the slaughter were questionable . I think even PETA activists protested . So its not fundamentalism.

you're right, genius. Their protest was rejected and poor Gangotri was killed. The protest of those Muslims who want changes to the law also gets rejected when necessary. Both sets are looking for changes to the law/cultural imperialism/exemption in this case. Where's the difference?

 

[bandit]

my point was when it comes to integration, Indians are at the bottom of the pile considering the statistics. Integration is a two way thing, I agree. However you (or he) made the claim that Indians integrate well. These examples show you do not.

If you want cultural things Hindus try to impose on people on the west, there was a bull with a contagious disease that was recommended to be put down by safety officials. Hindu groups objected to it and launched a protest.

I am sure have the claimed statistics at hand, mind posting it here for our education?
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silence.. quelle suprise

Still waiting for the cl;aimed statistics, I am not holding my breath on it though

As fal as your bull goes, its a miniscule irritant compared to the regular excitements povided by the Islamic Jihadi brigade, Pakistanis of course boasting a sizeable representation in them.

 

[roadrunner]

There isn't much difference. A handful of protestors for Sharia laws exist, a handful of protestors to change the law for animals not being killed.

What's the difference? Think through it slowly.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

you're right, genius. Their protest was rejected and poor Gangotri was killed. The protest of those Muslims who want changes to the law also gets rejected when necessary. Both sets are looking for changes to the law/cultural imperialism/exemption in this case. Where's the difference?

Read up on the case , it was paranoia by the Government . Otherwise the bull would have died in a year or so. There is no law claiming that a bull with sore muscles should be killed.

However, monks at Bhaktivedanta Manor in Hertfordshire are devastated over the cow's death and have accused the government of underhand tactics in the animal's slaughter.

Cows are sacred in the Hindu faith and the temple's president compared the killing of the cow to the pain he would feel if his mother was killed.

Gauri Das said: ''You can expect protests and lobbying, we will do whatever it takes to be heard. We are all in shock at the moment, we are all too shocked to even be angry.''

The outrage over Gangotri's death follows that caused by the government-ordered slaughter of Shambo, a sacred Hindu bull who was killed in Wales after angry protests from monks.

The government's swift action in this case may have been to avoid any angry stand-off with the Hertfordshire-based monks.

The plight of Gangotri yesterday sparked fierce debate in the House of Commons. Barry Gardiner, the Labour MP for Brent North, said: ''At 9am this morning an outrage was perpetrated against the Hindu community in this country.

''An RSPCA vet accompanied by three police officers went unannounced to Bhaktivedanta Manor and put down a cow, a sacred cow, which had been nursed by the herdsman at the manor for 14 months.

''This cow I must stress was not contagious in any way, was not diseased, she had a muscle wasting problem and was nursed for bed sores alone.''

He added: ''This is something which has caused great concern amongst the community - and we have laws against blasphemy in this country.''

Harriet Harman, the leader of the Commons, said that she understood the ''huge strength of feeling and concern'' and said that Hilary Benn, the Environment Secretary, would write to Mr Gardiner to explain the background.

When the cow was killed by lethal injection, the majority of the temple's worshippers were at morning prayer. The RSPCA had met with Mr Das on Wednesday and he is adamant that at the end of that meeting he was told that the temple would be given time to seek legal advice.

Last night, farm manager Stuart Coyle, described how he rushed to the farm when he heard police had arrived but was stopped by an RSPCA inspector. He said: ''I realised that he was there to cut me off from entering the farm. By the time I made it to the farm she was already dead.''

Tushta Krishna was the last person from the temple to see Gangotri alive. He said: ''I was in the cow shed when they came in. I thought they were simply going to check on her but a part of me worried that they were going to kill her there and then.

''I started to question them and then lost my temper and a police constable took me outside. A few moments later the vet came outside and said 'It's done'.''

The temple admitted that Gangotri suffered from bed sores because she could no longer stand up after she damaged her hind muscles. However they insist she was not suffering from any disease.

It is not a political case , as you see.

I wonder why Britisher 's elected to the House of Commons would stand up for the cow's life to be spared.