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[jammersat]

Oslo is just as important as sweden who just last month recognized palestine

 

[rmi5]

The Palestinian Arabs and the Israelis did agree on a solution in the Oslo Accords. The Palestinian Arabs simply decided to change the meaning of language and the truth of events afterward. They know that no one outside Israel and America will hold them to it - when was the last time you decried Arab murders of innocent Israelis as criminal? There you go.

I did not understand the underlined part. Anyway, I think some Palestinian leaders are treating the issue like a business plan:

more rockets firing >> more israeli retaliation >> more Palestinian blood >> more money and support from muslim countries >> more money and power in their own pockets

It's only a useless game in the cost of civilians from both sides. I am sure that civilians are tired of these tensions

 

[Khalid Newazi]

I did not understand the underlined part. Anyway, I think some Palestinian leaders are treating the issue like a business plan:

more rockets firing >> more israeli retaliation >> more Palestinian blood >> more money and support from muslim countries >> more money and power in their own pockets

It's only a useless game in the cost of civilians from both sides. I am sure that civilians are tired of these tensions

I didn't know the recent death of a Palestinian minister was due to rockets fired from Gaza and Hamas isn't firing rockets at Israel right now but Israel is still illegally blocking the Gaza strip from international waters as well as illegally taking Palestinian lands from West bank. Israeli sympathizers and their c__raphole don't make no sense.

 

[Turkish_FR]

Why these zionist are allowed in this forum ?

 

[Kyoto]

mass massacre?!!! Palestinians are proud that they have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world. Also, 20% of Israelis are arabs, and their language is an official language, and there is no discriminations against them. Funny point is that palestinians on average, are living much better than most muslims of islamic countries BTW, have you wondered why no palestinians cares for Kashmir? Then why do you care for them, who already receive the most aid per capita in the world.

Palestinians who voluntarily live in Israel are treated OK, but those who want their own country are treated as terrorists.
And Azerbaijan's conflict was not caused by the west intervening though was it?
So killing 1600 civilians including 500 children is not a massacre?
And i doubt many people in developed countries even care about Kashmir. That is a dispute between two countries. Palestine is a dispute between a country and a persecuted people.
They aren't living much better if you add the fact they could be removed from their house at anytime in the West Bank for being Arab, or that their children can be tear gassed and interrogated for no reason.

 

[Dubious]

mass massacre?!!! Palestinians are proud that they have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world. Also, 20% of Israelis are arabs, and their language is an official language, and there is no discriminations against them. Funny point is that palestinians on average, are living much better than most muslims of islamic countries BTW, have you wondered why no palestinians cares for Kashmir? Then why do you care for them, who already receive the most aid per capita in the world.

1) Well it is according to evolutionists normal when a population is unlikely to survive long they reproduce a lot to ensure at least 1-2 will...So this just proves that they are killed faster than normal human! Doesnt hide the mass massacre...In fact supports it meaning that because they are being murdered at a fast rate they reproduce more to ensure survival of at least 1 descendant! Not exactly something to be proud of mind you!

2) 20% are Arabs and what does that prove? Do you want me to pick out articles and videos of how Black Israelis are treated and also how these 20% are treated because mind you be careful what you vouch for them! There is alot of resources to prove you wrong....
And that is discrimination within their own population while you can just imagine the kind thrown at their neighbours called the Palestinians.....Mind you if you cant behave like a good neighbour how do you expect to behave as an ally? Keep that in mind!

3) If i was being murdered, humiliated, living in fear for almost 40 yrs of my life, heck I dont think I have time to worry about any other country esp when my and my family's life is at stake! Our stand for Palestine is not a you scratch my back and I scratch your kind of deal....It is just being Human! If your country choose that way of life that is your country's choice...NOT something every country should do!

Receiving per capita aid from around the world only proves they are being mistreated and need support....

Even Israelis feel bad about what they did under order and you being a total outsider should see it better: Breaking the Silence › Israeli soldiers talk about the occupied territories


THIS was in 2009 I am not even going into their attitude in 2014!

Israeli soldiers admit 'shoot first' policy in Gaza offensive | World news | theguardian.com

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel troops admit Gaza abuses

Israeli soldiers admit shooting dead civilians during Gaza war - Telegraph

The Palestinian Arabs and the Israelis did agree on a solution in the Oslo Accords. The Palestinian Arabs simply decided to change the meaning of language and the truth of events afterward. They know that no one outside Israel and America will hold them to it - when was the last time you decried Arab murders of innocent Israelis as criminal? There you go.

Yea it had nothing to do with the control freak attitude of the Zionists who wanted to cntrol trade, water sources, demolish houses, push in populations of Jews from all over the world 80% not even Bani Israel but just some white people wanting land....While the rightful people of the land who might also be Bani Israel but converted few centuries ago are treated like strangers! Yea....none of this had anything to do...Oh yea lets not forget the everynow and then illegal patrolling someone elses's land ...

 

[rmi5]

Palestinians who voluntarily live in Israel are treated OK, but those who want their own country are treated as terrorists.

So, what bell does it ring for you? If you accept a peaceful manner, they will treat you humanly, but if you want to fire rockets on their houses, they will treat you like terrorists. I think it sounds fair.

And Azerbaijan's conflict was not caused by the west intervening though was it?

So, you just care if west is behind something, but your morality changes if west is not behind something?

So killing 1600 civilians including 500 children is not a massacre?

No, massacre has a specific definition. I never support killing of civilians, though. I am a civilian myself
But, just consider what happened to Azeris in Khojaly. see how many of us got killed by what methods, to see the real meaning of a massacre. once, two Armenians medical doctors, skinned off an alive 6 years old Azeri girl to see how much of time a person can remain alive in such condition. Later, they proudly published a paper, and another one published a book which its name translates like the works that I do for Jesus. Did Any muslim care about it? No, because Armenians are not western allies, and we are not sunni Arabs.

And i doubt many people in developed countries even care about Kashmir. That is a dispute between two countries. Palestine is a dispute between a country and a persecuted people.

Why? is palestinian blood more red than kashmiri blood?
First, care for yourself and your parents. then your family and relatives. then you tribe, and city, and your province. Then for your country. Foreigners come in the last place. For you, I assume you are Pakistani living in UK, Kashmir should be your priority.

They aren't living much better if you add the fact they could be removed from their house at anytime in the West Bank for being Arab, or that their children can be tear gassed and interrogated for no reason.

I can post statistics to prove you what I said, But I think it's useless to mention them.

1) Well it is according to evolutionists normal when a population is unlikely to survive long they reproduce a lot to ensure at least 1-2 will...So this just proves that they are killed faster than normal human! Doesnt hide the mass massacre...In fact supports it meaning that because they are being murdered at a fast rate they reproduce more to ensure survival of at least 1 descendant! Not exactly something to be proud of mind you!

COME ON sister .... so indians are under heavy genocide since millenniums ago?
Do you want to use Lamarck theory to prove the increase in their heights as well?

2) 20% are Arabs and what does that prove? Do you want me to pick out articles and videos of how Black Israelis are treated and also how these 20% are treated because mind you be careful what you vouch for them! There is alot of resources to prove you wrong....

Just consider how Bahai's are treated in Iran, how shias are treated in KSA, how Ahmadis were treated in Pakistan, and how madly people are treated in Syria, Sudan, Yemen, ... to see the real meaning of mistreatment.

Receiving per capita aid from around the world only proves they are being mistreated and need support....

Of course not. millions of people are dying from lack of food in Africa, yet Palestinian leaders are buying the latest models of cars for their own family and live in luxury hotels using this aid moneys. With this logic, jews are also under genocide by Palestinians, since they receive a lot of aid as well

Yea it had nothing to do with the control freak attitude of the Zionists who wanted to cntrol trade, water sources, demolish houses, push in populations of Jews from all over the world 80% not even Bani Israel but just some white people wanting land....While the rightful people of the land who might also be Bani Israel but converted few centuries ago are treated like strangers! Yea....none of this had anything to do...Oh yea lets not forget the everynow and then illegal patrolling someone elses's land ...

Why do you say that? Do you think that every race is remained pure except for jews? Muslim Arabs themselves just imported close to 30 millions of slaves from Africa to Arabian peninsula, let alone the slaves from other continents. Do you think that they are pure arabs now? The same is true for Persians, Europeans, ... That's why the definition of race is now more about culture, language, ... rather than genetics. But, consider that we do consider each ethnicity, let's say Arabs, to be inheritors of their ancestors, like Abbasid, ... civilizations and heritage.

 

[Pakistani E]

Anti Israeli does not mean Anti Semitic. I will criticise Israel as much as I want, if you want to scream anti Semitism at me, be my guest. Israel is an illegal settler state founded by European rejects, but then again what do you expect from Europeans. They settled and massacred the natives all around the world, to expect them to do any different in the Holy land would be to ignore history.

Now scream Anti Semite at me.

 

[Dubious]

COME ON sister .... so indians are under heavy genocide since millenniums ago?
Do you want to use Lamarck theory to prove the increase in their heights as well?

Just consider how Bahai's are treated in Iran, how shias are treated in KSA, how Ahmadis were treated in Pakistan, and how mad people are treated in Syria, Sudan, Yemen, ... to see the real meaning of mistreatment.

So if someone else is treating Muslims badly its ok that Zionist do the same? What logic is that?

Of course not. millions of people are dying from lack of food in Africa, yet Palestinian leaders are buying the latest models of cars for their own family and live in luxury hotels using this aid moneys. With this logic, jews are also under genocide by Palestinians, since they receive a lot of aid as well

They are not dying based on which house they were born in (Arab/ Jew) ...What leaders are doing is condemnable! And I never supported it heck I even voice out what our Pakistani leaders do with our TAX money! But does that justify how Zionists are blocking aid money and other forms of aid...Heck even medicines!

Why do you say that? Do you think that every race is remained pure except for jews?

Because Zionists used that to justify their "ownership of the land" that god gave it to them (Bani Israel and their descendants) but if these people arent even Bani Israel...then how can they even hold claim?

Muslim Arabs themselves just imported close to 30 millions of slaves from Africa to Arabian peninsula, let alone the slaves from other continents. Do you think that they are pure arabs now?

The behaviour of the Arabs esp the house of Saud sometimes makes me wonder if they are the real Bani Israel of the Quran! No joke!

The same is true for Persians, Europeans, ... That's why the definition of race is now more about culture, language, ... rather than genetics. But, consider that we do consider each ethnicity, let's say Arabs, to be inheritors of their ancestors, like Abbasid, ... civilizations and heritage.

I pointed the genetics coz LARGE scale human genome screening for Bani Israel was funded by Zionists! They wanted to look for all Bani Israel and also justify ownership of the land over the Palestinians! Read their history if you dont believe!

 

[Kyoto]

So, what bell does it ring for you? If you accept a peaceful manner, they will treat you humanly, but if you want to fire rockets on their houses, they will treat you like terrorists. I think it sounds fair.

Why? is palestinian blood more red than kashmiri blood?
First, care for yourself and your parents. then your family and relatives. then you tribe, and city, and your province. Then for your country. Foreigners come in the last place. For you, I assume you are Pakistani living in UK, Kashmir should be your priority.
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Interrogating six year olds or tear gassing kids on their way to school is not protecting anyone against terrorism. Every time a Palestinian field is taken without notice to become an Israeli settlement Israel is producing more hate. The recent Operation 'Protective' Edge took place to stop Hamas from using tunnels, not launching rockets, because apparently a Hamas member kidnapped 3 Israelis although the organiser admitted that Gaza was unaware of the attack.

And I am British Kashmiri but what do you think I can do to stop the conflict when the two countries are both messed up? The fact that the US supports Israel shows how Muslims are seen as aggressors almost always and that only racist oil rich states are important.

 

[haman10]

nice thread @rmi5

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although people are suppressed , but here u go :

the dictators deny a demonstration :

Caucasian Knot | Anti-Israel protesters detained in Baku

anti-Semitic demonstrations ===== LOL > anti-semitic =/= anti-israeli but whatever

Islam Times - Azeri anti-government protesters rally in Baku

 

[rmi5]

So if someone else is treating Muslims badly its ok that Zionist do the same? What logic is that?

Of course not. My response was to the response to my quote about how average Palestinians live compared to average muslims or arabs.

They are not dying based on which house they were born in (Arab/ Jew) ...What leaders are doing is condemnable! And I never supported it heck I even voice out what our Pakistani leaders do with our TAX money! But does that justify how Zionists are blocking aid money and other forms of aid...Heck even medicines!

Let's not see it from a black&white glass. If you don't normally assume that jews are evils and palestinians are angles as muslims say, you would see that Israelis will normaly get paranoids about certain aids, which are handed to certain people, Hamas. at the same time, Palestinian can import almost everything harmless directly from Israel

Because Zionists used that to justify their "ownership of the land" that god gave it to them (Bani Israel and their descendants) but if these people arent even Bani Israel...then how can they even hold claim?

Sister, as I explained for you, we, almost all ethnicities of human beings outside of deep jungle in amazon and africa, are of mixed races, yet consider ourselves inheritors of people who we are not from their pure race but are from their language and culture, which is totally fine for me. Jews are no exceptions either!

Interrogating six year olds or tear gassing kids on their way to school is not protecting anyone against terrorism. Every time a Palestinian field is taken without notice to become an Israeli settlement Israel is producing more hate. The recent Operation 'Protective' Edge took place to stop Hamas from using tunnels, not launching rockets, because apparently a Hamas member kidnapped 3 Israelis although the organiser admitted that Gaza was unaware of the attack.

And I am British Kashmiri but what do you think I can do to stop the conflict when the two countries are both messed up? The fact that the US supports Israel shows how Muslims are seen as aggressors almost always and that only racist oil rich states are important.

I think you just ignored the part that I talked about Azeris. Then why should I read your comment about Palestinians or Kashmiris or ...?
We are getting back to the logic that I explained at the beginning

 

[ozzy22]

What are you talking about? Have these muslims cared when we were invaded by Armenia? unlike muslims, Israelis helped us in Karabagh war. Also part of our land is occupied by Armenia. has any Palestinian cared about it? then, why should I care about them. BTW, unlike the so called Palestinians who lived for a short time on the jews homeland, Karabagh has been our homeland for a long time. Badmouthing Azerbaijan is not helping you.

What do you want the Palestinians to do for Azerbaijan? What should we only should support them if they support our millions of causes (the Muslim world). Which is just unreasonable and I’m guessing Israel helped Azerbaijan because of financial reasons rather than anything else.

mass massacre?!!! Palestinians are proud that they have one of the fastest population growth rates in the world. Also, 20% of Israelis are arabs, and their language is an official language, and there is no discriminations against them. Funny point is that palestinians on average, are living much better than most muslims of islamic countries BTW, have you wondered why no palestinians cares for Kashmir? Then why do you care for them, who already receive the most aid per capita in the world.

If you were a Palestinian how would you feel or react to Israel’s actions against them? Land being taken, houses being demolished, thousands of settlement on their land and to top it off being bombed every few years for political reasons or so called rockets. (As of 2014 only 23 people have been killed by these rockets) I don’t agree with Hamas current policy, as I think it's counterproductive but you must understand it’s from frustration and even if Hamas stopped firing rockets do you sincerely think Israel will change its behavior or be willing to implement a two state solution?

 

[Serpentine]

Once they do, they will see that Azerbaijan is an example for other countries to follow with respect to supporting Israel.

Supporting Jews does NOT mean supporting Israel, they are 2 different things.

 

[Nefer]

, omg I dunno what is more hilarious the fact that you trying to show that jewishdom is a healthy ideology and can be lived with like those 2 American authors say, or the naivety that you Azerbaijani seculars show to the entire matter. I want to see how this play out, its like I can see from your perspective and looking from that perspective is so sad its hilarious . I need more laughing material please continue