Musharraf, The Only Hope for Pakistan

[r3alist]

"come up with a consensus, a manifesto, and a direction - once that is CONCRETE individuals become less significant, because the direction is already there."

To come up with that manifesto, you need people who can think. Individuals are important at first but once the consensus and manifesto is there, individuals become less important. Always hard to take initiative--

its hard to take the initiative only if you create the barrier.


but there are things every man/women can do to make the system work in their favor.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

I think all the saner force, less corrupt (using "Less"), having a vision of seeing Pakistan become a progressive, and a moderate Muslim country should join hands and fight the next election together. Keeping the Jagirdars out of alliance. Only then things can start improving.

 

[r3alist]

I think all the saner force, less corrupt (using "Less"), having a vision of seeing Pakistan become a progressive, and a moderate Muslim country should join hands and fight the next election together. Keeping the Jagirdars out of alliance. Only then things can start improving.

yes, people need to start agreeing with one another.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Imran Khan is coming to power. You want a bet on this one? Hell, I can bet my life on this---I am damn sure.

You can bet yours -- it is yours to bet!!! This will only happen if tomorrow the military wants it done this way. he has no power or political base. The saner element and the inteligensia left him after he started ranting his pro Taliban mantra.

I can not divulge the source on an open forum but think about who paid for his Bradford University Chairmanship of the Pakistan Chair. Yep! the answer lies in my first paragraph and it was done during Mushi times!!!!!

His only chance is to be the PM with the connivance of the military - I like the guy but he needs some quick reality check with the ground realities.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

You can bet yours -- it is yours to bet!!! This will only happen if tomorrow the military wants it done this way. he has no power or political base. The saner element and the inteligensia left him after he started ranting his pro Taliban mantra.

I can not divulge the source on an open forum but think about who paid for his Bradford University Chairmanship of the Pakistan Chair. Yep! the answer lies in my first paragraph and it was done during Mushi times!!!!!

His only chance is to be the PM with the connivance of the military - I like the guy but he needs some quick reality check with the ground realities.

Regardless of the authenticity, your post has a contradiction. First, you said that you cannot divulge the source on an open forum but afterwards you were emotional enough to share the source with us.
I do not buy this. You are right, he needs military support because this is the way how the world works these days. However, what about tomorrow? Revolution is an evolutionary process and we are boiling now. It does not take much to tap the gods of the ground; Gen Niazi was one of them, whatever happened, we all know. I do agree that he needs military support considering the present structure of criminal interference of army in our system. The self claimed, white horse men. However, considering historical background, army cannot do anything when the time comes. Army will support Khan because they won't have a second option.
"The saner element and the inteligensia left him after he started ranting his pro Taliban mantra. "
I don't agree. You know, do anything you want--force your sources to stop IK. I am all open, asking you to do..You want to know who I am?
Okay, do what I ask you to do. Intelligence should block his way.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

You can bet yours -- it is yours to bet!!! This will only happen if tomorrow the military wants it done this way. he has no power or political base. The saner element and the inteligensia left him after he started ranting his pro Taliban mantra.

I can not divulge the source on an open forum but think about who paid for his Bradford University Chairmanship of the Pakistan Chair. Yep! the answer lies in my first paragraph and it was done during Mushi times!!!!!

His only chance is to be the PM with the connivance of the military - I like the guy but he needs some quick reality check with the ground realities.

One more thing, you have no right to tell us something of which you cannot disclose your source. Tell us the source and if you cannot, do not post.
EDIT: I mean the exact source. As you stated earlier, estab is behind his chairmanship BUT tell us the individuals so I can ask my source.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

And if you were in the U.S., anyone could sue you.
Secret source..LOL

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Who was Bugti to kill all those soldiers and officers?

You are a paranoid individual like many other. My question: Who the hell were the establishment and politicians, giving royalty money to bugti at the first place? Why the hell they did not learn their lesson by making mujahids and not controlling them afterwards?

You know, that royalty money could be used on average Joe but our wonderful illiterate estab and politicians supported those feudal lords or one tribe against another.

So, you are giving me money for like ten years and you expect that I'll be faithful to you? So, the argument which military proxies present, we gave money to Bugti but he did not spend on the locals is FLAWED. The same military did not learn that if you have a snake in your house, you will be the victim, someday i.e. mujahids, lunatic version of Zia and his military leaders, bugti etc etc

It is not a god damn game of blaming each other. Military is equally responsible of destroying Pakistan if not more.

We have to forget the past and learn from our mistakes.

 

[flameboard]

If he comes back we will the first nation to elect and ex dictator, Pakistani politics will become a mockery.

It would be as if the Jews re elected Hitler.

Look at Nawaz Sharif he was corrupt, he said all the good thing we wanted to hear and apologized saying he would change and yet he's still corrupt.

 

[Karachiite]

If he comes back we will the first nation to elect and ex dictator, Pakistani politics will become a mockery.

It would be as if the Jews re elected Hitler.

Look at Nawaz Sharif he was corrupt, he said all the good thing we wanted to hear and apologized saying he would change and yet he's still corrupt.

He didn't act like a dictator. He gave maximum freedom to everyone. He freed the media which was later used against him.

Under him we flourished, he brought in billion of dollars of foreign investment. We were called the next asian tigers and now we are called the next collapsed country and a country which lives off of IMF. Security situation was good under him. He knew how to reply back to America and India. What else do you want from him?

 

[rameez ahmed]

He knew how to reply back to America and India.

You should correct yourself on his replying to America... He was a Pawn and Slave of USA, who is now also supporting friendship of Pakistan and the Terrorist State of Israel.... He always worked on US agenda.... there is no doubt about that.....

 

[Karachiite]

You should correct yourself on his replying to America... He was a Pawn and Slave of USA, who is now also supporting friendship of Pakistan and the Terrorist State of Israel.... He always worked on US agenda.... there is no doubt about that.....

He wasn't no pawn. If you look at it you will know how many times he fooled America.
Terrorist State of Israel lmaoo. Atleast you consider it a country now. Good good this means progress.

 

[rameez ahmed]

He wasn't no pawn. If you look at it you will know how many times he fooled America.
Terrorist State of Israel lmaoo. Atleast you consider it a country now. Good good this means progress.

he was an American pawn. their is no doubt on that. He did everything the US Government wanted..

Secondly, I will never accept the Israel as a State..

By the way according to signs given in Quran and Hadith, the signs of Arrival of Dajjal, Imam Al Mahdi and hazrat Isa (AS) is very near...

The Pakistani Muslim and Muslims of other countries, who are the supporters of Israeli and Pakistan Friendship are the most unfortunate people on Earth, because it is a Muslim army from Afghanistan and Pakistan (according to signs given in hadiths), that will destroy Israel Insha Allah.

So all their effort to make Pakistan a friend of Israeli terrorists will go in vain.... Just wait and see. We have seen this since last 60 years and this will keep on till Israel is destroyed..

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Regardless of the authenticity, your post has a contradiction. First, you said that you cannot divulge the source on an open forum but afterwards you were emotional enough to share the source with us.
I do not buy this. You are right, he needs military support because this is the way how the world works these days. However, what about tomorrow? Revolution is an evolutionary process and we are boiling now. It does not take much to tap the gods of the ground; Gen Niazi was one of them, whatever happened, we all know. I do agree that he needs military support considering the present structure of criminal interference of army in our system. The self claimed, white horse men. However, considering historical background, army cannot do anything when the time comes. Army will support Khan because they won't have a second option.
"The saner element and the inteligensia left him after he started ranting his pro Taliban mantra. "
I don't agree. You know, do anything you want--force your sources to stop IK. I am all open, asking you to do..You want to know who I am?
Okay, do what I ask you to do. Intelligence should block his way.

My dear friend my post is not you against me or my "Sources" against your choice. I am trying to caution all those who are making IK larger than life -- he is a human and will make mistakes and if given the chance could do better than most.

However, he needs to realize that to succeed, and for the greater good of Pakistan-- take the liberal forces along whether they are ANP, MQM, PML-Q breakaway factions or for that matter APML.

This on and on tirade against MQM, APML, and US is not taking him anywhere. MQM in Karachi is a reality and one must reconcile with this. IK would need the support of non-jagirdar supported parties to succeed.

A seasoned statesman has no permanent enemies or friends just overarching interests. Here I have written "Statesman" and not politician - what we need is a statesman to run Pakistan.

IK has most of the ingredients but his strength of conviction and hardheadedness in cricket and SKMH is a disadvantage in politics and running the affair of the state.

As far as the other thing -- I gave you an example on how things get into the grey once one steps into politics. I am sorry I can not divulge the exact action or the source but the fact remains. However, to clarify, IK till today, does not know the source -- I am sure if he knew he would not have gone forward and done that but than again this whole setup is for the greater good of Pakistan in the long run. This plan that IK is part of, knowingly or unknowingly, is a long term project to swing media opinion in western countries.

Once again I reiterate that I like the guy just let him remain a mortal and rationally discuss his future. We as Pakistanis are very unforgiving as far as our ex hero's are considered.

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

he was an American pawn. their is no doubt on that. He did everything the US Government wanted..

Secondly, I will never accept the Israel as a State..

By the way according to signs given in Quran and Hadith, the signs of Arrival of Dajjal, Imam Al Mahdi and hazrat Isa (AS) is very near...

The Pakistani Muslim and Muslims of other countries, who are the supporters of Israeli and Pakistan Friendship are the most unfortunate people on Earth, because it is a Muslim army from Afghanistan and Pakistan (according to signs given in hadiths), that will destroy Israel Insha Allah.

So all their effort to make Pakistan a friend of Israeli terrorists will go in vain.... Just wait and see. We have seen this since last 60 years and this will keep on till Israel is destroyed..

buddy plz dont exploit religion in here cause there is no use no one here is intersted to listen to ur rant this is an international forum and al have their views so plz spear us ur rant and as far as israel is considered when all the arab world has directly or indirectly accepted israel including Palestinian then why shouldnt we its better to be neutral then enemy and if u read isreal history ul find they deserved to be here where they are they worked hard when u were gumed to churs and smokes if they are killling muslim then its not there fault its ur fault why did u forgot the teachings of islam and did not studied why did u allowed them u mock u and spit on u like a vomit . all u can do is talk and talk is all we have done