Musharraf Should be Court Marshalled: Says Gen. (Rtd.) Hamid Gul

[PlanetWarrior]

I liked Gen Musharraf's statesmanship. If he was elected by a democratic poll his leadership may just have taken Pakistan in a better direction. Such a pity that he seized power instead of getting voted the right to be in power. But once he took the helm in Pakistan , he did project a good image for the country

 

[VrSoLdIeRs]

before 911 how many incidents were there Terrorist Talibans attacking pakistan

None!!!! because we were supposed to be their allies.. we were the only country who had diplomatic relations with taliban govt.... wounds from your enemy can be taken as a part of the game it hurts more when you friend back-stabs!!!

if you have time please go through Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef's book

I am not trying to tell you whom you should like and dislike I was simply pointing out that all religious bigotry in Pakistan is the gift of Zia and Musharraf was simply given no choice but to fight it.

dude this will engage another discussion... zia might have gifted pakistan the 'religious bigotry' and musharraf engaged us in a fight among 'enlightened moderate pakistanis' and fundamentalists... sadly no gray area was left!!!

 

[All-Green]

None!!!! because we were supposed to be their allies.. we were the only country who had diplomatic relations with taliban govt.... wounds from your enemy can be taken as a part of the game it hurts more when you friend back-stabs!!!

if you have time please go through Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef's book




dude this will engage another discussion... zia might have gifted pakistan the 'religious bigotry' and musharraf engaged us in a fight among 'enlightened moderate pakistanis' and fundamentalists... sadly no gray area was left!!!

We were not their allies as far as defending Osama was concerned and we were not wrong in this regards.

Pakistan tried its best to convince the hardheaded Omar of his folly in protecting a terrorist like Osama (wanted by other Muslims countries as well prior to 9/11)...Saudi Arabia had already been given the cold shoulder by Taliban when Prince Turki was snubbed in his efforts to extradite Osama to Saudi Arabia and put him on trial for his crimes against Saudi Arabia.

The Taliban should have captured Osama and handed him over quickly if they cared for their people, after all there is no doubt about the violence which Osama and his associated perpetrated in many parts of the world, at the end of the day the Taliban offer to trial Osama in their own system was also something declared on the very last day...they dragged their feet deliberately when the issue was as serious as it can be...all for the sake of a terrorist.

I do not call it a stab in the back since we tried and engaged the Taliban on all levels to make them realize the gravity of the situation. If they feel it was worth it to protect Osama and his terror brigade despite our request then we had no more obligation towards them diplomatically and it was end of relationship.

Once they did not listen to us or any other Muslim country they ensured that they will stand alone against the world defending a man who is without a doubt following an evil ideology.

 

[All-Green]

You believe that this Clown represents what the current military establishment thinks?

Whereas there is no doubt that Musharraf cannot be given a clean sheet, however let us examine the accuser as well.

Hamid Gul and his ilk are probably the biggest blemish on the honor of our military uniform, his stories are not to be taken seriously.
He is the same man whom i saw on TV claiming that US bombs would not hit Taliban since they had help of angels...one can see that his is a case of someone who has lost all sense.

He is one of the retards who openly support Osama as a great warrior, by what account is a terrorist degenerate like Osama a great warrior as claimed by Hamid Gul?

He was promoted more due to personal links with Zia and not because he was a gifted leader.
His statements are mostly flawed and full of pseudo religious arguments to support his point of view which eventually lead to grand conspiracy theories and predictions about the future.

As an ISI head he was the one who was instrumental in creating the IJI and is no Mr. Clean in any way.
His actions after his retirement have always been ones to promote the pseudo religious elements in Pakistan who in turn have always caused destabilization of Pakistan.

Hamid Gul's views are not reflective of current high command, he is of the old guard of Zia's era who pretend to be great heroes who humbled the Soviet bear...these are people who take all the credit for things not done entirely by them...great posers who want others to sacrifice all in order to satisfy their egos.
Their constant meddling in affairs of Afghans led us to the current mess we are in, he is pissed because Musharraf turned his back on his cronies, his anger does not stem from the fact that Musharraf raped the constitution and why should it when he himself is the accomplice of Zia who actively ruined the political setup of Pakistan.

Musharraf can be trialled for his breach of constitution but then Hamid Gul should also be trialled for his active role in supporting an unconstitutional dictator suppress the democratic forces of Pakistan.

If i leave alone the actions of both men and analyze their intellect alone, then Musharraf is indeed much better than Hamid Gul as far as mental prowess and talking sense is concerned.
To me Hamid Gul also needs to face the charge of being an insufferable moron who really puts to shame many in the military due to the fact that he was once DG ISI...

No doubt about Musharraf's flaws and unconstitutional actions, but Hamid Gul is probably one of the worst Generals who has served Pakistan Army.
He was also one of the right hand men of the wort dictator in memory of Pakistanis and played his part in ensuring that Jinnah's Pakistan is derailed.

It is a case of the teapot calling the kettle black.

 

[Airboss]

Gen Gul should have VOICED his opinion & SENTIMENTS when Musharraf was in Power.....Wonder Why he never had the B&%#s to say anything!

 

[PakistaniPhysco]

First Hamid Gul should be court marshallad for what he did to Ms Benazir Bhutto government.He supported right wing movements while serving.This is the same egoist general who just resigned when General Nawaz changed his position from DIG ISI to DG some army weapons factory.It's a shame that people like him got promoted in Pakistan Army (Thanks to General Zia) otherwise at least GEneral Musharraf has a good personality.He made mistakes no doubt but we can't call General Musharraf nut like General Hamid Gul is.

 

[razgriz19]

i really dont get it!
why does everyone only look at his bad actions/decisions......i mean he has done lots of great things!!!

 

[Fracker]

We were not their allies as far as defending Osama was concerned and we were not wrong in this regards.

Pakistan tried its best to convince the hardheaded Omar of his folly in protecting a terrorist like Osama (wanted by other Muslims countries as well prior to 9/11)...Saudi Arabia had already been given the cold shoulder by Taliban when Prince Turki was snubbed in his efforts to extradite Osama to Saudi Arabia and put him on trial for his crimes against Saudi Arabia.

Gr8 you are asking for a person, whose convicted evidence can't be provided. Lets flash back!!

>>> US ask for Osama,
<<< Taliban ask for evidence
>>> US said Evidence has been given to Pakistan
>>> Pakistan said we have seen the evidence (but didn't shown in public neither given to Taliban)
<<< Taliban said Ok we can trail Osama in some Islamic country
>>> US said NO, we need Osama
<<< Taliban said, we have told Osama to leave the country
>>>> US upgrade list to 20 people,
>>>> US attacked on Afghanistan without waiting for the response from Taliban

 

[All-Green]

Gr8 you are asking for a person, whose convicted evidence can't be provided. Lets flash back!!

>>> US ask for Osama,
<<< Taliban ask for evidence
>>> US said Evidence has been given to Pakistan
>>> Pakistan said we have seen the evidence (but didn't shown in public neither given to Taliban)
<<< Taliban said Ok we can trail Osama in some Islamic country
>>> US said NO, we need Osama
<<< Taliban said, we have told Osama to leave the country
>>>> US upgrade list to 20 people,
>>>> US attacked on Afghanistan without waiting for the response from Taliban

I maintain that Osama was convicted of many crimes before 9/11.
Onus lies on you to read about Osama and Al Qaeda before 9/11.
About Ayman Al Zawahiri and his past...what motivates this group and what they tried to do in their home countries.
Read about these people and tell me what the hell prompted the Taliban to give refuge to such cowards and terrorists in the first place.

However to still protect these people despite the writing on the wall was downright stupid...i am sorry but i cannot agree that it was a principled stance.

When you attack the world's only super power and take refuge in a country...do not expect the super power to hold back after giving you option to hand the culprit over.
The offer to try Osama was made on the very last day...why no decision was taken before?
Did Mullah Omar ask for advice from all of his people when he gave refuge to OSama?
On the other hand he had to get together all the people and stall when Osama was linked to 9/11 and USA was mobilizing for war?

Ofcourse when they gave the offer the better option would have been for USA to call their offer and let them try Osama, however USA was not some small country which had no other option...their nation was crying bloody murder and their extreme power ensured that they were not going to hold back.
In the end i do criticise USA for jumping in the war when the Taliban did bend their knee a little...however to me Mullah Omar was someone who betrayed the well being of his people for the sake of a terrorist...that is also something i cannot forgive.

What part of it have i not made clear?