Mushahid’s 3-point plan: How ice could thaw on Siachen dispute

[Skull and Bones]

do we even participate in chess

Exactly my point.

 

[Iggy]

Every time you talk of peace, India takes it as a weakness. Posts above are an evidence of that mindset.

Every time we were in peace table, it was our soldiers and people who suffered.. Be it Lahore peace process or any other.. Your country supported terrorists and army attacked us when ever we offered hand for peace.. Then why are you blaming us.. Just look at the last three peace initiatives.. We got Kargil, Parliament attack and Mumbai attack in return.. You only talk peace to attack us covertly.. On one hand you offer us hand for peace and then you covertly send your army men and terrorists to attack us..Who need a peace like that.. Our stand is clear.. You should stop supporting the terrorist activities before you want any genuine peace talks.. You just cannot put foot on two boats..

 

[Sugarcane]

then uncle set an example by giving freedom to Azad Kashmir.. Then we will think..
...
...ok pakis if siachin do not has any importance then set an example by removing your army from that region..
May be Indian army will follow that.

That's already Azad Kashmir with her separate parliament, once you free IOK they can have full Independence.

 

[bitter_truth]

That's already Azad Kashmir with her separate parliament, once you free IOK they can have full Independence.

then why **** army men in loc and inside there?

 

[Bang Galore]

Pakistan doesn't talk about peace on Siachen. Since Pakistan likes to create a fiction about being on Siachen, what exactly is the Pakistani plan to withdraw forces all about? More importantly why do so many Pakistanis think that India will do that? What is Pakistan bringing to the table? Surely it can't be about hoping to get something for nothing.

He was addressing the troops during a visit to Siachen along with members of the committee

They flew to a strategic military post in Siachen, located at Bilafond-la, at a height of about 17,000 feet, not far from where the Indian army is based at the Line of Actual Contact.

This is why it is about maintaining fiction. Pakistan cannot even bring itself to tell the truth....the committee went to Siachen (??)....the committee flew to a strategic military post at Bilafond La....in Siachen (??)

Bilafond La is a pass on the Saltoro ridge, due west of the Siachen glacier & is fully under Indian control. How much fiction is necessary to maintain the illusion of Pakistani presence on Siachen?

 

[Storm Force]

Saichen is Indian territory why are you Pakistanis concerned about the well being of our soldiers.

You want withdraw you carry on

We are not withdrawing from any borders. Not ever.

What you do in your borders is your business

You Pakistanis invaded kargil after soldiers vacated their positions for winter. Both sides had agreed this as mutual withdrawal over harsh weather from1947.

Mushraff sneaked in nli soldiers behind our back.

You can thank mushraff for this

India wil never make the same mistake again.

 

[GURU DUTT]

As i told you size might matter against even somalia but incase of india,Size is not even the question,

hum apka bhot khoob jante hain,

unchi awaaz se bhi bhaag jane wali qoam

jnaab mudda to yahi hai ki aapki quam asliyat jaankar bhi unjaan bane rehne ko himmat aur jurrat samjhati hai use sitam ye ki unko ye guman hai ki wo taqat ke zariye hamse kuch le sakange jabki hlaat ye hai ki pakistan apni fauj ko binna US AID aur coilation support fund ki imdad ke bagair tankhwaa bhi dene ki taqat nahi rakhta

chalo ji daer hi se sahi per ab duniya ka rukh badal gaya hai ki wo hindustan aur pakistan ko kaisee nazar se dekhte hain aur sulookh kerte hain

rahi baat siachin ya kashmir ki to bhai ye to aap bhi jante ho ki hindustan ka kya radde amal is baar hoga agar fir se kargil jaisee himakat apki ladli fauj ne ki to

bongia marnaek baat hoti hai aur apne se taqatwar se pange lena aur baat ... aur apke mulk ki kya taqat hai ye aap mujh se behter jante ho ... shukira sirji

 

[farhan_9909]

jnaab mudda to yahi hai ki aapki quam asliyat jaankar bhi unjaan bane rehne ko himmat aur jurrat samjhati hai use sitam ye ki unko ye guman hai ki wo taqat ke zariye hamse kuch le sakange jabki hlaat ye hai ki pakistan apni fauj ko binna US AID aur coilation support fund ki imdad ke bagair tankhwaa bhi dene ki taqat nahi rakhta

chalo ji daer hi se sahi per ab duniya ka rukh badal gaya hai ki wo hindustan aur pakistan ko kaisee nazar se dekhte hain aur sulookh kerte hain

rahi baat siachin ya kashmir ki to bhai ye to aap bhi jante ho ki hindustan ka kya radde amal is baar hoga agar fir se kargil jaisee himakat apki ladli fauj ne ki to

bongia marnaek baat hoti hai aur apne se taqatwar se pange lena aur baat ... aur apke mulk ki kya taqat hai ye aap mujh se behter jante ho ... shukira sirji

bhai jaan hamari baat saaf ha,Kashmir lena hai chahe india superpower hi kyon na hoon.

Lekin apka dehaan thora is taraf chahta hoon,Aj Pakistan-india mai difference ha lekin kal ko ye kam hota jaa rha ha.

National Power Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from 19th rank to 7th rank within the next 45 years.

Conclusion:

India if really want to solve the kashmir dispute,should come on table and find a possible solution even if it means compromising some of IOK to Pakistan.Yes if Pakistan demand whole of Kashmir,than Pakistan is wrong,But if Pakistan is demanding something like pathan kot and related territories,a solution can be made.

Marzi apki,jaise sheikh rashid ne kaha:Humto sar pirey log hay,Jab sar guma aut ta ta kr dia

 

[GURU DUTT]

bhai jaan hamari baat saaf ha,Kashmir lena hai chahe india superpower hi kyon na hoon.

Lekin apka dehaan thora is taraf chahta hoon,Aj Pakistan-india mai difference ha lekin kal ko ye kam hota jaa rha ha.

National Power Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from 19th rank to 7th rank within the next 45 years.

Conclusion:

India if really want to solve the kashmir dispute,should come on table and find a possible solution even if it means compromising some of IOK to Pakistan.Yes if Pakistan demand whole of Kashmir,than Pakistan is wrong,But if Pakistan is demanding something like pathan kot and related territories,a solution can be made.

Marzi apki,jaise sheikh rashid ne kaha:Humto sar pirey log hay,Jab sar guma aut ta ta kr dia

ab meri baat dhyaan se suno agar samajh aa jaye to duaoon me yaad rakhna

kashmir ko bharat kissi bhi soorat me alag nahi hone dega fir chahe pakistan ho ya china bhi uske saath aa jaye

doosri baat pakistan kal kya hoga ya hoga bhi ki nahi koi nahi janta per aaj kya hai ye jara dekhlo hindustan se dubara pange lene se pehle kyonki ab wo sarkar nahi ki narma rawayye aur batae banane tab msroof rahe jo ab hain wo na to pakistan ki parwah karte hain aur na hi china ki ya fir kissi aur ki jab baat hindustan ki ho to aur jo mausam badal raha hai to ab china bhi hindustan se pakistan jaise mulk ke liye dushmani nahi mol lega


na to kashmir aur na hi siachin pakistan ko milega aur ye baat pak fauj bhi achhe se jaanti hai per usko bhi to apni dukandaari chalana hai

weather its NATO , USA , UK , France , Russia, Israel, saudi arabia , UAE or china all want this dispute to be settled bilatralli between india and pakistan

pakistan has no power to dictate its terms to india and india knows it + indian power and world staure will onli increase and in time we will widen the gap between india and pakistan to such a level that coping with india on one to one basis will bring doom to pakistan withowt firing a single bullet + if pakistan tries to needle us in J&K we will not hesitate to make trouble for pakistan on its western plank where already pakhtoons , baloochies , hazaras and even sindhies are asking for indepentent states


try to be reasonable once cause if pakistani elite misinetrpertt owr signals once more and commit the mistakes they had always done make no mistake in order to get kashmir tghis time pakistan just might sieze to exist as world knows it now

im sorri mods for bieng blunt .. Thanks

 

[sms]

Mushahid’s 3-point plan: How ice could thaw on Siachen dispute
By Qamar Zaman

ISLAMABAD:
A parliamentary panel on Wednesday proposed a three-point plan for peace in Siachen, saying that the three decade long conflict has been a waste of human and material resources.

The proposal was presented by Senator Mushahid Hussain Syed, who returned from a visit to the Siachen outpost along with members of the parliamentary panel on Defence.

Terming the perennial standoff between Pakistan and India as “a pointless conflict” the senator called for demilitarization of Siachen, adding that both sides should move towards defusing the confrontation.

View attachment 105126

For more than 30 years, Pakistan and India have maintained troops and battle positions in freezing cold temperatures on the Siachen glacier. The archrivals have had intermittent skirmishes since 1984 to claim what is known as the world’s highest battlefield.

The senator suggested that both sides should find a formula for pulling back their forces from positions in the icy mountain, adding that Siachen should be converted into a peace park where mountain tourism and expeditions could be encouraged under the supervision of the United Nations environmental Program [UNEP] and World Tourism Organisation [WTO].

He also recommended collaboration on preserving the environment to combat the consequences of climate change and global warming in the region.

“We should learn from the Gyari tragedy, which resulted in the loss of 140 lives,” the senator cautioned. Commenting on the altitude, Mushahid said that “the tallest post is at the height of 22,000 metres and it takes 21 days of slow climbing to reach the peak.”

“They are specially trained troops who can survive such harsh living conditions, with temperatures that dip to minus 50 degrees,” he added.

View attachment 105127

He said that 90% of casualties are caused by the severe weather, which includes frostbite, lung and chest diseases, loss of memory and depressive episode.

“The most difficult moment is when a soldier falls sick and he has to be evacuated, which is a major logistical exercise,” he added.

Talking about previous efforts to resolve the issue, Mushahid said that they “were sabotaged on three different occasions by the Indian military establishment.”

“On all occasions Indian army chiefs have overruled the political leadership to sabotage any possibility of peace agreement between the two sides over Siachen,” he added.

He said an agreement on Siachen was almost reached in 1989 between then prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and her Indian counterpart Rajiv Gandhi but General V.N. Sharma overruled the agreement. Later in 2005, former Indian PM Dr. Manmohan Singh proclaimed the peak as a “mountain of peace” and publicly sought to convert Siachen into a peace park. However, General J.J. Singh opposed it, citing “security concerns” and termed it “against India’s national interest.”

The Pakistan Muslim League Quaid lawmaker also urged both countries to collaborate on environmental issues, climate change and global warming.

“We should approach issues with a big heart and even take pride in each other’s achievement.”

Praising India for its Mars mission, Mushahid said New Delhi should also take pride in Pakistan’s achievement in areas of science, technology, IT, arts, literature and culture.”

Published in The Express Tribune, October 2nd, 2014.

Mushahid’s 3-point plan: How ice could thaw on Siachen dispute – The Express Tribune

India criticised for sabotaging efforts for Siachen peace
By The Newspaper's Staff Reporter
Published Oct 01, 2014 06:42am
.— AP file photo
ISLAMABAD: The Chairman of the Senate Defence Committee, Mushahid Hussain Sayed, has criticised the Indian military establishment for sabotaging all efforts for peace in Siachen.

India, he said, had consistently rejected all proposals made by Pakistan for peace in Siachen, even in the aftermath of the Giyari tragedy.

He was addressing the troops during a visit to Siachen along with members of the committee.

About two and a half years ago, an avalanche had killed 140 soldiers and officers of the army in Giyari.

The delegation laid a wreath at the monument for the martyrs of Giyari.

According to a press release, Mr Hussain expressed concern over consequences of climate change and global warming which has adverse consequences in Siachen because of freak weather incidents like the Giyari avalanche.

He urged India to cooperate with Pakistan and other South Asian countries to jointly formulate a regional strategy to cope with the climate change threat.

Mr Hussain presented to army officials a media manual on climate change prepared by the committee.

The senators’ visit was for expressing solidarity, on behalf of parliament and political forces, with the valiant soldiers and officers defending the motherland on the world’s toughest terrain.

Mr Hussain lauded the valour, morale and determination of the troops in performing their duty under extremely difficult conditions when in the peak of winter temperature falls to minus 50 degrees centigrade.

He said the people of Pakistan were proud of their armed forces and could never forget their sacrifices in defending every inch of the country despite being outnumbered by an adversary superior in numbers and weaponry, but not in fighting spirit, morale and motivation.

He told the troops that members of the committee were their voice in parliament and would do their utmost to protect and promote the good name and image of the armed forces, especially their committed role in Siachen.

During their two-day visit, the senators first landed in Skardu where they were briefed army officials before flying to Giyari.

They flew to a strategic military post in Siachen, located at Bilafond-la, at a height of about 17,000 feet, not far from where the Indian army is based at the Line of Actual Contact.

After their return from Bilafond-la, they received another briefing at the brigade headquarters at Goma at a height of about 10,500 feet.

Sabir Ali Baloch, acting chairman of the Senate, and Haji Adeel also addressed the troops and expressed solidarity with and support for the armed forces.

Other members of the delegation were Mohsin Leghari, Abdur Rauf and Dr Saeeda Iqbal.

Published in Dawn, October 1st , 2014

India criticised for sabotaging efforts for Siachen peace - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

I might be dispute for Pakistan but non issue for India. It's very good to know that Pakistan is concerned abut loss of lives and welfare of it's soldiers. if they think it's non issue and waste of resources for Pakistan, I'd suggest them to close all post in Siachen area.
If it's done there will be no Siachen issue at all.

 

[raja hindustani]

bhai jaan hamari baat saaf ha,Kashmir lena hai chahe india superpower hi kyon na hoon.

You have been trying since 1948 and will probably continue to do so until your country goes bankrupt. You might be able to kill some of our soldiers, cause riots in Kashmir , try another 26/11. But the point is our economy will survive all this crap. But yours can't. You can't force India militarily to get Kashmir.Our army has both qualitative and quantitative edge over Pakistan and the gap will continue to widen. The sooner your country accepts LOC as IB the better it will be for everyone.

 

[VCheng]

The senator suggested that both sides should find a formula for pulling back their forces from positions in the icy mountain, adding that Siachen should be converted into a peace park where mountain tourism and expeditions could be encouraged under the supervision of the United Nations environmental Program [UNEP] and World Tourism Organisation [WTO].

So these are three points? India should withdraw, make a peace park and promote tourism on Siachen. Right, what a genius this senator is, somebody give this man a cookie!

 

[ares]

bhai jaan hamari baat saaf ha,Kashmir lena hai chahe india superpower hi kyon na hoon.

Lekin apka dehaan thora is taraf chahta hoon,Aj Pakistan-india mai difference ha lekin kal ko ye kam hota jaa rha ha.

National Power Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from 19th rank to 7th rank within the next 45 years.

Conclusion:

India if really want to solve the kashmir dispute,should come on table and find a possible solution even if it means compromising some of IOK to Pakistan.Yes if Pakistan demand whole of Kashmir,than Pakistan is wrong,But if Pakistan is demanding something like pathan kot and related territories,a solution can be made.

Marzi apki,jaise sheikh rashid ne kaha:Humto sar pirey log hay,Jab sar guma aut ta ta kr dia

From Indian perspective..Kashmir is a closed chapter..not even an inch will be yielded to Pakistan...do what you can.

 

[Sugarcane]

From Indian perspective..Kashmir is a closed chapter..not even an inch will be yielded to Pakistan...do what you can.

Closed Chapter really? You don't want Integral part of Bharat Mata back?

 

[Brickwall]

Mushahid’s 3-point plan: How ice could thaw on Siachen dispute
By Qamar Zaman
Published: October 2, 2014

View attachment 105125
A file photo of Siachen glacier. PHOTO: ISPR

ISLAMABAD:
A parliamentary panel on Wednesday proposed a three-point plan for peace in Siachen, saying that the three decade long conflict has been a waste of human and material resources.

The proposal was presented by Senator Mushahid Hussain Syed, who returned from a visit to the Siachen outpost along with members of the parliamentary panel on Defence.

Terming the perennial standoff between Pakistan and India as “a pointless conflict” the senator called for demilitarization of Siachen, adding that both sides should move towards defusing the confrontation.

View attachment 105126

For more than 30 years, Pakistan and India have maintained troops and battle positions in freezing cold temperatures on the Siachen glacier. The archrivals have had intermittent skirmishes since 1984 to claim what is known as the world’s highest battlefield.

The senator suggested that both sides should find a formula for pulling back their forces from positions in the icy mountain, adding that Siachen should be converted into a peace park where mountain tourism and expeditions could be encouraged under the supervision of the United Nations environmental Program [UNEP] and World Tourism Organisation [WTO].

He also recommended collaboration on preserving the environment to combat the consequences of climate change and global warming in the region.

“We should learn from the Gyari tragedy, which resulted in the loss of 140 lives,” the senator cautioned. Commenting on the altitude, Mushahid said that “the tallest post is at the height of 22,000 metres and it takes 21 days of slow climbing to reach the peak.”

“They are specially trained troops who can survive such harsh living conditions, with temperatures that dip to minus 50 degrees,” he added.

View attachment 105127

He said that 90% of casualties are caused by the severe weather, which includes frostbite, lung and chest diseases, loss of memory and depressive episode.

“The most difficult moment is when a soldier falls sick and he has to be evacuated, which is a major logistical exercise,” he added.

Talking about previous efforts to resolve the issue, Mushahid said that they “were sabotaged on three different occasions by the Indian military establishment.”

“On all occasions Indian army chiefs have overruled the political leadership to sabotage any possibility of peace agreement between the two sides over Siachen,” he added.

He said an agreement on Siachen was almost reached in 1989 between then prime ministers Benazir Bhutto and her Indian counterpart Rajiv Gandhi but General V.N. Sharma overruled the agreement. Later in 2005, former Indian PM Dr. Manmohan Singh proclaimed the peak as a “mountain of peace” and publicly sought to convert Siachen into a peace park. However, General J.J. Singh opposed it, citing “security concerns” and termed it “against India’s national interest.”

The Pakistan Muslim League Quaid lawmaker also urged both countries to collaborate on environmental issues, climate change and global warming.

“We should approach issues with a big heart and even take pride in each other’s achievement.”

Praising India for its Mars mission, Mushahid said New Delhi should also take pride in Pakistan’s achievement in areas of science, technology, IT, arts, literature and culture.”

Published in The Express Tribune, October 2nd, 2014.

Mushahid’s 3-point plan: How ice could thaw on Siachen dispute – The Express Tribune

India criticised for sabotaging efforts for Siachen peace
By The Newspaper's Staff Reporter
Published Oct 01, 2014 06:42am
.— AP file photo
ISLAMABAD: The Chairman of the Senate Defence Committee, Mushahid Hussain Sayed, has criticised the Indian military establishment for sabotaging all efforts for peace in Siachen.

India, he said, had consistently rejected all proposals made by Pakistan for peace in Siachen, even in the aftermath of the Giyari tragedy.

He was addressing the troops during a visit to Siachen along with members of the committee.

About two and a half years ago, an avalanche had killed 140 soldiers and officers of the army in Giyari.

The delegation laid a wreath at the monument for the martyrs of Giyari.

According to a press release, Mr Hussain expressed concern over consequences of climate change and global warming which has adverse consequences in Siachen because of freak weather incidents like the Giyari avalanche.

He urged India to cooperate with Pakistan and other South Asian countries to jointly formulate a regional strategy to cope with the climate change threat.

Mr Hussain presented to army officials a media manual on climate change prepared by the committee.

The senators’ visit was for expressing solidarity, on behalf of parliament and political forces, with the valiant soldiers and officers defending the motherland on the world’s toughest terrain.

Mr Hussain lauded the valour, morale and determination of the troops in performing their duty under extremely difficult conditions when in the peak of winter temperature falls to minus 50 degrees centigrade.

He said the people of Pakistan were proud of their armed forces and could never forget their sacrifices in defending every inch of the country despite being outnumbered by an adversary superior in numbers and weaponry, but not in fighting spirit, morale and motivation.

He told the troops that members of the committee were their voice in parliament and would do their utmost to protect and promote the good name and image of the armed forces, especially their committed role in Siachen.

During their two-day visit, the senators first landed in Skardu where they were briefed army officials before flying to Giyari.

They flew to a strategic military post in Siachen, located at Bilafond-la, at a height of about 17,000 feet, not far from where the Indian army is based at the Line of Actual Contact.

After their return from Bilafond-la, they received another briefing at the brigade headquarters at Goma at a height of about 10,500 feet.

Sabir Ali Baloch, acting chairman of the Senate, and Haji Adeel also addressed the troops and expressed solidarity with and support for the armed forces.

Other members of the delegation were Mohsin Leghari, Abdur Rauf and Dr Saeeda Iqbal.

Published in Dawn, October 1st , 2014

India criticised for sabotaging efforts for Siachen peace - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

It is wrong to say that indian army was not interested in demilitarizing , their main point of contention was that Pakistanis must first accept the actual line of ground position and delineate the line along the positions that are being held by the troops today, both theirs and ours, as is, where is. Which pakistan is not amenable, that's why proposal was opposed.