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i didn't wanted this kind of debate but ur few poor country men insisted me to start that...:sick:

Now they will be surely shocked to see mirror.:angry:

What kind of debate did you want? We have read your posts on many different threads and have absolutely no doubt where your sympathies lie. You are bent upon hijacking this thread because your arguments have quite literally run away looking at the mirror you keep insisting on showing. Bereft of any argument, you are doing your best to derail the thread by bringing in rubbish that we have all seen before and dealt with on other threads.

Stick to the topic please or in the alternative, run behind your arguments and come back when you have caught a couple of them.:wave:
 
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The judgement shows the free,fearless and indpenent nature of our judiciary. I do not know whether we can see this in pakistan, where even a Mr.10% can become their president..!!!

Any ways, i hope this sends out a postive message to our pakistani friends who question everything india.. and looks at them with suspicion.!!!
 
Its one thing trying to mold public opinion and quite other to refute TV footage and the fact that Kasab was captured alive by the police. Otherwise it wouldn't have taken the courts 18 months to announce the verdict.

And can you please enlighten us by sharing the past incidents where Indian courts sentenced terrorists to death under public opinion?Just think about the fact that you are trying to defend a terrorist!


Now u said it and I will enlighten u, read and be informed.
this is one case out of many, I can put up more, but this should be enough if u have any fairness in u.

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Indian parliament attack — A case study

http://hindumuslimindia.blogspot.com

http://www.indiatogether.org/2007/mar/rvw-dec13.htm

And to boot u guys fired a Pakistani lawyer for not cooperating, what a frace, u guys know that Defance lawyer is supose to work for his client and not there to coooperate with oposition.

What kind of judiciary it is which dictates a defance lawyer to cooperate or he is fired.

And oh, read/see this and be enlightened or depressed in this case.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/ruchika-case-verdict-mocks-judicial-system/107703-3.html?from=tn
 
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Its one thing trying to mold public opinion and quite other to refute TV footage and the fact that Kasab was captured alive by the police. Otherwise it wouldn't have taken the courts 18 months to announce the verdict.

And can you please enlighten us by sharing the past incidents where Indian courts sentenced terrorists to death under public opinion?Just think about the fact that you are trying to defend a terrorist!


Now u said it and I will enlighten u, read and be informed.
this is one case out of many, I can put up more, but this should be enough if u have any fairness in u.

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Indian parliament attack — A case study

Did you read the report yourself? Where does the judgments imply that they were under pressure from public opinion? If at all, the judiciary acted fairly and threw out evidence that wasn't tenable in the court of law. I think this should make you believe in The Mumbai High Court's judgement on Kasab even more!
 
And to boot u guys fired a Pakistani lawyer for not cooperating, what a frace, u guys know that Defance lawyer is supose to work for his client and not there to coooperate with oposition.

What kind of judiciary it is which dictates a defance lawyer to cooperate or he is fired.

What Pakistani lawyer? There are no Pakistani lawyers in India. Abbas Kazmi is an Indian citizen. Get your facts right before rushing in. He was fired for not co-operatng with the court and whatever you may think, the judge is not regarded as the "opposition".
 
What a shameless coward terrorist... killed innocent people in hospitals, hotels, rail station but in the court started crying for pardon! This terrorist killed a guy in CST whom I knew.... After years of hard work he got a job few months back in Mumbai ....... God will never forgive them.....





Washington post:

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Pakistani Gunman Found Guilty for Role in Mumbai Attacks

New Delhi 03 May 2010
India's Special Public prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam, center, speaks to reporters as he holds a report following the verdict outside the special court set up for the trial of Pakistani Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, accused of being the sole surviving gunman in the 2008


India's Special Public prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam, center, speaks to reporters as he holds a report following the verdict outside the special court set up for the trial of Pakistani Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, accused of being the sole surviving gunman in the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai, India, 3 May 2010

In India, a court has convicted a Pakistani national for his role in the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai that killed 166 people. He was the only gunman captured alive during the assaults, which strained ties between India and Pakistan. Two Indians, also on trial in connection with the attacks, have been acquitted.

A year and a half after India's financial hub was devastated by terror attacks, a special court found Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, 22, guilty of murder, waging war against India and other charges.

Kasab heard the judgment impassively. He was one of 10 gunmen who arrived by sea and attacked Mumbai's main rail station, two five-star hotels, a restaurant and a Jewish center in November 2008. The assaults lasted three days and claimed 166 lives.

Kasab is the only gunman who survived. He was arrested on the first night of the attacks. Footage from closed circuit cameras showed him armed with an AK 47 rifle at the rail station where scores of people died.

The sentence will be pronounced on Tuesday. He could face the death penalty.

Indian authorities say the attacks were orchestrated by the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, of which Kasab is a member. Islamabad has admitted that Kasab is a Pakistani citizen and that the attacks were partly plotted on its soil.

Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram said Monday's verdict sent a clear signal to Pakistan.

"The judgment itself is a message to Pakistan that they should not export terror to India," he said. "If they do, if the terrorists are apprehended, we will be able to bring them to justice and give them exemplary punishment."

Citing lack of evidence, the court acquitted two Indians, Fahim Ansari and Sabaauddin Ahmed, who were on trial for conducting reconnaissance before the attacks. The prosecution is likely to appeal the verdict.

India charged 38 people in connection with the attacks, but most of them live in Pakistan.

The trial has been concluded fairly quickly in a country where judicial proceedings can drag on for years. The trial witnessed several twists and turns as Kasab first pleaded innocence, then made a surprise confession, but later retracted it.

The Mumbai terror attacks were among the worst that India has suffered. They prompted New Delhi to suspend peace talks with Pakistan, but both countries are now taking steps to normalize ties.

New Delhi has accused Islamabad of not doing enough to bring the perpetrators of the attacks to justice, and wants Pakistan to act against militants operating from its soil.

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Pakistani Gunman Found Guilty for Role in Mumbai Attacks | Asia | English

Indian court convicts Pakistani militant in Mumbai attacks


Media wait outside the special court set up for the trial of a Pakistani accused of being the sole surviving gunman in the 2008 terror attacks, in Mumbai, India, Monday, May 3, 2010. The verdict in the trial of Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, allegedly one of ten gunmen who killed 166 people in a three day rampage in November 2008, which continues to strain relations between India and Pakistan, is expected later in the day. (AP Photo/Rafiq Maqbool)





An armed Indian security officer patrols outside the special court set up for the trial of a Pakistani accused of being the sole surviving gunman in the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai, India, Monday, May 3, 2010. The verdict in the trial of Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, allegedly one of ten gunmen who killed 166 people in a three day rampage in November 2008, which continues to strain relations between India and Pakistan, is expected Monday.

Devika Rotwan, who was shot in her leg during the Mumbai attacks in 2008, walks by the landmark Taj Hotel in Mumbai, India, Monday, May 3, 2010. The verdict in the trial of Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, allegedly one of ten gunmen who killed 166 people in a three day rampage in November 2008, which continues to strain relations between India and Pakistan, is expected Monday.


Monday, May 3, 2010; 8:54 AM

NEW DELHI--A 22-year-old Pakistani militant was found guilty Monday of "waging war on India" during the brazen November 2008 attacks in Mumbai that killed 166 people and strained relations between the nuclear-armed rivals.

Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, who bowed his head during the verdict, will be sentenced Tuesday and could face the death penalty.

It was an emotional day for many Indians, since Kasab is the lone surviving gunman from the gun-and-grenade ambush on India's financial capital, a powerful strike at the very city that has been at the forefront of India's economic boom.

Kasab was videotaped by security camera during the two-and-a-half day siege, crazy-eyed and shooting up the city's busiest railway station. Prosecutors say Kasab was one of two militants who killed 52 people there.

A total of 610 witnesses testified during Kasab's trial, case, which ran for 271 days and produced a 1,522-page verdict that was read aloud today in a packed courtroom on the jail premises in Mumbai where Kasab is being held for security reasons.

Judge M.L. Tahiliyani acquitted two Indians who had been accused of helping plot the attacks.

Office workers and school children across the country gathered at television sets to watch the verdict for the attacks which are known in India as 26/11, mirroring the way Americans refer to the 2001 al-Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington. The world watched on live television as hostages from around the globe were terrorized for days at two luxury hotels and a Jewish outreach center, and Indian commandos struggled to kill the gunmen.
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The country remains deeply divided on how Kasab should be punished, with some saying the death penalty will only further the cycle of bloodshed. "I will never have the mother of my children back," said Santanu Saikia, whose wife, Sabina Sehgal Saikia, an editor with Times of India newspaper and a food critic, was killed in her room on the fifth floor of the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower Hotel. "We have taken a decision that we are going to forgive Kasab in her memory. What else can we do?"

On the world stage, the Mumbai massacre has brought relations between India and Pakistan -- who have fought three wars -- to a new low. The Obama administration wants to ease tensions on the subcontinent and has been urging both sides back to the table. That way, Pakistan could focus on fighting the Taliban on its western border with Afghanistan.

At talks at regional conference last week in Bhutan, the countries' prime ministers agreed to agreed to begin rebuilding relations. But in a chilling reminder of the fragility of those talks, a terror attack warning in India all weekend kept many families locked indoors and sparked debate on Sunday talk shows about whether negotiations are realistic.

India says the Pakistan-based group Lashkar-i-Taiba, whose name means "Army of the Pure," ordered the November attacks. During the announcement of Kasab's verdict, the judge said India had evidence that Kasab was a part of Lashkar-i-Taiba. India has been frustrated over Pakistan's slowness in dismantling the group.

The planning of the Mumbai attacks stretched to Chicago, where David Coleman Headley, 49, arrested in a Chicago airport in October, acknowledged attending training camps sponsored by Lashkar-i-Taiba and changing his name from Daood Gilani to avoid notice in India.

Headley made five trips to Mumbai, where he videotaped possible targets and used a global-positioning device to help the plotters, who went on to attack the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels, a Jewish Chabad center and the train station, prosecutors said.

In Faridkot, Pakistan, where Kasab lived first 14 years of his life, residents had little to say about him in advance of the verdict.

"Ajmal brought a bad name to this village," said Tufail, 23, who lives across the narrow alley where Kasab's house was. "We're happy that the family is out of this village."

Special correspondent Mohammed Rizwan contributed to this report from Faridkot, Pakistan.
 
Look, don't blame him. There is nothing wrong if he did it with good intentions against an infidel country like India," said Amjad Ali

:sniper::sniper::sniper: Faggot Amjad Ali

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What Pakistani lawyer? There are no Pakistani lawyers in India. Abbas Kazmi is an Indian citizen. Get your facts right before rushing in. He was fired for not co-operatng with the court and whatever you may think, the judge is not regarded as the "opposition".

O.K. Indian Lawyer big deal, don't kill the facts by just a typo of one name.

It is extremely rare in judiciary system that a judge fires a defance lawyer, the only reason he can fire a lawyer is to declare Lawyer incompetant of handing the case based on evidance collected
by an indepandant source and approved by the bench specially set for such a high profile case.

Pay attention to the facts of judiciary in India and its verdicts about Kahsmieri young men who asked and got amnesty from Indian army, but were forced and used by Indian Army to attack Indian Parliament. To make a caase against Pakistan and it backfired.

Judge surely sounds like a man on mission to overlook and convict the guy A.S.A.P. by objectionalbe means. and is using his Authority to do what is a serious act, firing a defance lawyer for lack of cooperation.

A lawyer defending a case with international eyes on better be very carfull.

In no way I am trying to speak for this criminal but he must be given a fair trial and punished accodingly.
 
Following is the sequence of events
1) Kasab is caught
2) Indian names village he belongs to
3) Geo find the village does a sting operation
4) Entire village denies Kasab is from their village (Who can influence entire village?)
5) His father is replaced by someone else in his home (Who wants to do that?)
6) Kasab gets convicted
7) Villagers said he did right.

Conclusion
1) At-least some people in village openly supports terrorist act in India.
2) A large number of these villagers are liars.
3) Someone in Pakistan did not wanted the world to find true identity of Kasab.
 
Following is the sequence of events
1) Kasab is caught
2) Indian names village he belongs to
3) Geo find the village does a sting operation
4) Entire village denies Kasab is from their village (Who can influence entire village?)
5) His father is replaced by someone else in his home (Who wants to do that?)
6) Some patriotic pakistani lawyer makes claims that kasab was caught in nepal and was handed over to india by nepal and that he represented the case. but he has no evidence of that 'case' and nepal govt denies it.
7) zardari on bbc world claims weeks after tha attacks he did not believe kasab was a pakistani
8) Media shows graffiti from kasab's village by JUD urging people with a charitable bend of mind to join jihad. BTW JUD is a charity and hafeez saeed is a humanitarian
9) a survey in pakistan shows 42% people think LET are the good guys

10) Kasab gets convicted
11) Villagers said he did right.

Conclusion
1) At-least some people in village openly supports terrorist act in India.
2) A large number of these villagers are liars
3) Someone in Pakistan did not wanted the world to find true identity of Kasab.


There, added some more facts.
 
O.K. Indian Lawyer big deal, don't kill the facts by just a typo of one name.

It is extremely rare in judiciary system that a judge fires a defance lawyer, the only reason he can fire a lawyer is to declare Lawyer incompetant of handing the case based on evidance collected
by an indepandant source and approved by the bench specially set for such a high profile case.

Pay attention to the facts of judiciary in India and its verdicts about Kahsmieri young men who asked and got amnesty from Indian army, but were forced and used by Indian Army to attack Indian Parliament. To make a caase against Pakistan and it backfired.

Judge surely sounds like a man on mission to overlook and convict the guy A.S.A.P. by objectionalbe means. and is using his Authority to do what is a serious act, firing a defance lawyer for lack of cooperation.

A lawyer defending a case with international eyes on better be very carfull.

In no way I am trying to speak for this criminal but he must be given a fair trial and punished accodingly.

Yes, the judge is a terrorist, we are terrorist supporters for trying him in court.

You are making no sense. If a lawyer does not cooperate with court (means tries delaying tactics / criticizes the court in media etc) then he can be fired if not punished by court. while your heart bleeds for your boy, you are beating about the bush. Follow Amjad Ali, he's man enough.
 
It is extremely rare in judiciary system that a judge fires a defance lawyer, the only reason he can fire a lawyer is to declare Lawyer incompetant of handing the case based on evidance collected
by an indepandant source and approved by the bench specially set for such a high profile case.

Judge surely sounds like a man on mission to overlook and convict the guy A.S.A.P. by objectionalbe means. and is using his Authority to do what is a serious act, firing a defance lawyer for lack of cooperation.

The lawyer was appointed by the judge himself i.e. he was a court appointed lawyer. Kasab did not protest nor did he engage a different lawyer. Judges in India are accountable for their actions. Superior courts can be approached if a person is not happy with the judge's actions.

Pay attention to the facts of judiciary in India and its verdicts about Kahsmieri young men who asked and got amnesty from Indian army, but were forced and used by Indian Army to attack Indian Parliament. To make a caase against Pakistan and it backfired.

And you would know this how exactly?

A lawyer defending a case with international eyes on better be very carfull.

Yeah but I did not hear anyone but you raise that particular argument. Excepting conspiracy theorists of whom you might be one considering your views on the parliament attack, most other people are convinced of Kasab's guilt.

In no way I am trying to speak for this criminal but he must be given a fair trial and punished accodingly.

He has had a fair trial and he will be punished accordingly. In any case this is just the beginning. He can appeal this judgement in the High court & then the Supreme court. He can engage different lawyers if he wants.

So much sympathy for this scumbag, so little for his victims !
 
fateh71

your answers are mostly based on adversarial tones and less on stating the facts based on Law and order and comon courtsey.

Now comes the question, what did this Lawyer had to gain by delaying tectics, he would have gained more by moving this case faster.

A Lawyer need to collect evidance to plead for his client and may refuse to use evidance handed to him by Judge or police, he may consider it if deemed neccessary, but he has the right to collect his own evidance and that might have delayed the proceedures, but that is what Justice is all about.

And Bang the glore. did u even bother to see the link i Put up about Kashmiri boys who attacked Indian Parliament, go read and than come back to talk.

How did u assume that i have sympathy for this criminal, u are assuming too much and are so bang on killing this idiot, if U did not want him to be tried than why did u take him to court. Now that he is in court u guys want the trial run as if it a Kangroo court and will convict the guy in one day.

so u have to let it take its course and wait till he is convicted and that is what is all about when a criminal is tried. dude.

u beeter not botch it, hurry it or make it look like it was a set up. Eyes of the world might be on this case. and at thistime in a case such as this Your courts are being watched by the world.

so make it right and Hang the guy if convicted.
My symopathies are with those who Parished.
 
I am wondering why Pakistan called Kasab a stateless actor and abandoned him? it did not even provide him consular access. He will not be hanged so soon. India know its neighbor is cornered here. Kasab will be kept alive as a live example of stateless terrorist from a neighbor country.
 
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