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So roadrunner how would you interpret this:

The office of Pakistani Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani confirmed Wednesday that National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani had been fired, but gave no reason for his dismissal.

Earlier in the day, Durrani said the sole surviving suspect in the Mumbai attacks -- in which more than 160 people were killed -- had ties to Pakistan.

"I think it probably would be true now that for example [Mohammed Ajmal Kasab] had Pakistani connections," said Durrani. "So one cannot deny there was zero link with Pakistan. How much, who all was involved, that we have to investigate."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapc...bai/index.html

Well hang on.

That is not an admission that Kasab was/is a Pakistani.

First, Pakistan Government fired this guy after he said this, so it is not the position of the Pakistani government.

Second, that translation of what Durrani said, is not an admission that Kasab is a Pakistani. It is his opinion that Kasab may have some connections with Pakistan. This could be his background, this may equally be the Kalashnikov he was holding.

You are jumping to conclusions.
 
RoadRunner, please stop running for a while and go through this BBC article on Sherry Rehman's statement

Mumbai gunman is Pakistan citizen

Pakistan has said the only surviving gunman from November's attacks in Mumbai (Bombay) is a Pakistani citizen.

After weeks of refusing to confirm the allegations, the foreign ministry said: "We have just been informed... that Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani national."

Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab was detained on the first night of the attacks.

India says all 10 gunmen were from the Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. Relations with Pakistan, which denies any role, are under strain.

More than 170 people died when 10 gunmen attacked Mumbai on 26 November.

Meanwhile, Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has dismissed his national security adviser, Mehmood Ali Durrani, amid the tensions with India.

It is not entirely clear why Mr Durrani lost his job. One report suggested it was because he had made unauthorised comments to the media that the surviving gunman was Pakistani.

A prime ministerial statement said Mr Durrani had been sacked "for his irresponsible behaviour for not taking the prime minister and other stakeholders into confidence, and a lack of co-ordination on matters of national security".

'Investigations'

It is the first time Pakistan has acknowledged any links to the gunmen after weeks of refusing to confirm Indian claims.

"We are confirming that Qasab is Pakistani but investigations are still ongoing," Information Minister Sherry Rehman told the BBC on Wednesday.

Pakistan had previously said Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab's name was not listed in the national database of citizens.

The BBC's M Ilyas Khan in Islamabad says that it is not clear why the Pakistani authorities have taken so long to admit publicly what many officials long ago conceded in private.

But our correspondent says the Pakistani security establishment in particular has a reputation for dragging its feet when it comes to making any sort of military or political concessions to India.

Confirmation of the suspect's nationality comes after India provided Pakistan with a dossier of evidence which it said linked the Mumbai attackers and elements in Pakistan.

On Tuesday, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said that because of the "sophistication and military precision of the attack it must have had the support of some official agencies in Pakistan".

Pakistan rejected Mr Singh's allegations and accused India of raising regional tension.

Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab faces a number of charges including murder, attempted murder, waging war against a country and criminal conspiracy.
 
RoadRunner, please stop running for a while and go through this BBC article on Sherry Rehman's statement

Alright, again for you.

This is from "arabnews"

"Information Minister Sherry Rahman also confirmed Qasab’s Pakistani nationality. “We are confirming Qasab is from Pakistan but investigations are ongoing,” she said in a text message."

From the BBC-
""We are confirming that Qasab is Pakistani but investigations are still ongoing," Information Minister Sherry Rehman told the BBC on Wednesday."

The messages are exactly the same, so probably from the same source. Has she been busy all night talking to media all round the world, and using her SMS?

The Arab News say it was an SMS. The BBC say it was told directly to them.

Which is true? The SMS? Or the direct revelation.

This will all be clear in one or two days.

I find it hard to believe she'd reveal this in an SMS. At first it was claimed to have been revealed to some Pakistani news outlet.

Do I believe she revealed it through SMS. No way.
 
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BBC being one of the oldest and most respected media outlet I will go by BBC not by some unknown quantity 'arab news'. From BBC report it is clear Sherry Rehman told that 'Kasab' is a Pakistani. Accept it for what it is, don't try to obfuscate any further, after all she is your Information Minister and it is the final word.
 
BBC being one of the oldest and most respected media outlet I will go by BBC not by some unknown quantity 'arab news'. From BBC report it is clear Sherry Rehman told that 'Kasab' is a Pakistani. Accept it for what it is, don't try to obfuscate any further, after all she is your Information Minister and it is the final word.

You can go with who you like.

It's possible that the BBC report was incorrect (it wouldnt be the first time), it's possible that the report was based on this alleged SMS.

Wait and see. 1 or 2 days and this should be cleared up.

It's not a big deal anyway, but there's been so much silly reporting in the media by both India and Pakistan, like the Nawaz Sharif statement, when you were again jumping up and down claiming this was proof, that the only firm admission will be when Gilani comes out to confirm it.

Incidentally, Durrani did not make an admission. He said something silly though.

With Sherry Rahman, let's wait a couple of days. It makes no difference whether it's true or false, but you've taken newspaper statements as truth so far, and turned out to be incorrect. So wait, instead of being wrong all the time.
 
"But the foreign secretary of Pakistan, soon after that contradicted Mahmud Durrani’s statement saying, “matter is being investigated and it appears Indian media have twisted statement of security adviser."

Qasab is Pak national, says Islamabad

"As the foreign secretary made his statement, Durrani told reporters, “my statement was not aired in its letter and spirit. In fact Indian channels twisted my statement.”

Qasab is Pak national, says Islamabad

Now Sherry Rehman's SMS. Let's wait and see.
 

By Pamela Constable and Candace Rondeaux
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, January 8, 2009

KABUL, Jan. 7 -- During a visit to Afghanistan, Pakistan's foreign minister on Wednesday strongly rejected accusations by India that Pakistani government agencies had played a role in the terrorist attacks in Mumbai in November, insisting that his government wants to "get to the bottom" of the incident and hopes for cooperation with India, not "finger-pointing."

At the same time, Pakistan's powerful intelligence chief said in a rare public interview from Islamabad that his government has no desire to fight a war with India, Pakistan's larger neighbor and longtime rival, and that he views terrorism as the "real enemy" of his country.

But in a sign of the deep fissures within Pakistan's government over the Mumbai attacks, the country's national security adviser was fired in Islamabad on Wednesday after publicly acknowledging that the lone surviving gunman appeared to be a Pakistani citizen, an allegation previously denied by Pakistani authorities.

In an interview with CNN, Mahmud Ali Durrani said there appeared to be proof that all 10 gunmen had Pakistani roots. Officials from the Foreign and Information ministries confirmed that assertion, but the Foreign Ministry later retracted its statement, and within hours, government officials and national TV channels reported that Durrani, a former intelligence chief, had been dismissed by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani.

On Tuesday, senior Indian officials all but accused Pakistani government agencies of having a hand in the three-day siege in India's financial capital that left more than 170 people dead. Indian authorities have blamed the attacks on a banned Islamist group based in Pakistan.

The contradictory statements came during a first-ever trip by Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari to Afghanistan, where he and President Hamid Karzai agreed to jointly combat regional terrorism and appeared eager to mend fences after years of hostility between officials in Kabul and the previous government in Islamabad.

"This is a watershed in our bilateral relations, a long journey that has overcome hurdles and suspicions," Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told journalists here Wednesday. "There has been a dramatic change since a democratic government took office in Pakistan. There is a new trust and a new environment."

In a separate visit to Kabul on Wednesday after a brief stop in Pakistan, the senior State Department official for South Asia hailed the new relationship between Zardari and Karzai, saying both presidents have shown a "strong determination to fight terrorism, supported by the United States."

Assistant Secretary of State Richard A. Boucher did not discuss the allegation that Pakistani government agencies were involved in the Mumbai attacks. But he told journalists here that whether terrorists attack Mumbai or Islamabad, "these people are all a threat to Pakistan."

Pakistani and U.S. officials appeared to be trying to decrease the tensions that have developed between India and Pakistan since the attacks, raising the specter of renewed military conflict between the nuclear-armed neighbors. They also sought to reinforce Pakistan's emerging positive relations with Afghanistan, another neighbor with whom it shares a long border and a challenge from Islamist extremists.

Neither Qureshi nor Boucher spoke about the new evidence that India says it has found -- and delivered to Pakistani authorities -- linking Pakistan to the Mumbai assault. Qureshi said he was "disappointed" that Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had made such an accusation, and he noted that on the day the Mumbai siege began, he had been in New Delhi trying to improve bilateral relations.

"Suddenly, as I returned to my hotel, Mumbai took place," he said. "I did not allow this to obstruct my vision, but unfortunately, some Indian politicians succumbed and became obsessed by it." Qureshi said he had offered "from Day One" to cooperate in the investigation into the attacks and that Pakistan's only desire was to "bring the perpetrators to justice."

Indian authorities and international experts have expressed the suspicion that the good intentions of Pakistan's civilian leaders are not necessarily shared by its military and intelligence establishments, which were forged in a decades-long rivalry with India and have sponsored armed Islamist groups in Indian Kashmir and in Afghanistan during the anti-Soviet conflict there.

But Qureshi and Pakistan's intelligence chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, said Wednesday that the country's security forces are subservient to civilian authority and committed to supporting democratic rule. "It is completely clear to the army chief and I that this government must succeed," Pasha said of Zardari's administration. "I report regularly to the president and take orders from him."

Pasha also ruled out the possibility of going to war with India, telling the online edition of the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel that Pakistan is "distancing itself" from such conflict and that "we know full well that terror is our enemy, not India." He acknowledged, however, that although he had been willing to travel to India after the Mumbai attacks, some senior officials were "simply not ready" to make such a gesture to Pakistan's longtime adversary.

Qureshi, asked here whether his government was in control of the military and intelligence sectors, asserted vehemently that it was.

"Pakistan's political and military leadership is one," he said. "When the military leadership speaks, you can take it for granted they are speaking for the civilian leaders, and when the political leadership speaks, the military is behind it."
 
You can go with who you like.

It's possible that the BBC report was incorrect (it wouldnt be the first time), it's possible that the report was based on this alleged SMS.

Why BBC's report will be incorrect?. What will they gain by giving incorrect reports?.

Either BBC or SMS, the news is that 'Kasab' is a Pakistani and it is final. Even Pakistni NSA unfortunately for Pakistan confirmed that and got fired for that and to coverup Govt. of Pakistan had to accept that Kasab was Pakistani. The writing is clear on the wall. Just remove the goggles and see it.

As a final nail in the coffin your foreign ministry spokesman also gave a statement. Here please go through

Official fired for Mumbai remark

Nasir Khan THE WASHINGTON TIMES

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan | Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Wednesday fired the country's national security adviser after several officials confirmed that the lone survivor among the Mumbai attackers is a Pakistani.

"It has been confirmed that Mohammed Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani national," foreign ministry spokesman Muhammad Sadiq said in a statement. This was also confirmed by Information Minister Sherry Rehman.

Earlier, National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani told an Indian television channel that Kasab could be a Pakistani national.

In the days after the Nov. 26-29 attack in India's financial capital, Pakistani officials repeatedly denied there was any evidence linking the surviving attacker to Pakistan. Wednesday's reversal comes two days after India presented Pakistan with a dossier of evidence to prove the 10 attackers came from Pakistan.

The dossier included transcripts of phone conversations between the attackers and their handlers guiding them and giving them pep talks during the raids.

While Kasab was captured alive after his deadly attack on Mumbai's main train station, the other nine men were killed in the attacks at two luxury hotels, a cafe and a Jewish center. More than 160 people were killed.

Pakistani media reports Wednesday and particularly the statement of the national security adviser pushed the government into an embarrassing situation, with foreign, interior and information ministry officials giving conflicting reports about Kasab.

The interior and foreign ministries had earlier rejected media reports. The foreign ministry at first said it had not been established that Kasab is Pakistani. However, within a few minutes it issued another statement confirming Kasab's identity as a Pakistani national.
a lot of flip-flops here

Hours later, Mr. Durrani became the first victim of the confusion when Mr. Gilani's office announced that he had been fired "for his irresponsible behavior for not taking the prime minister and other stakeholders into confidence and lack of coordination on matters of national security."

A senior government official said Mr. Durrani spoke about Kasab without consulting the prime minister first.

Security analyst Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani army general, said official confirmation of Kasab's nationality is a positive step that will be welcomed by the international community.

"Official confirmation about Kasab's identity will convince others that Pakistan is prepared and serious in cooperating in Mumbai attacks investigation," Mr. Masood said. "Pakistan shall not shy away from confirming the identity of other Mumbai attackers if they were also Pakistanis."


Indian officials have shown increasing frustration about what they see as Pakistan's unwillingness to fully investigate the attacks.

In New Delhi Wednesday, India said it would keep all options open to dismantle "terror outfits," Reuters news agency reported.

"I say we are keeping all options open," Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee told Times Now television. Hours earlier Defense Minister A.K. Antony had made similar comments.


Please let me know if you are not convinced, I have more to post.
 
Congressional Testimony

FBI (the mumbai)investigations!

Donald Van Duyn
Chief Intelligence Officer
Federal Bureau of Investigation

Statement Before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs


January 8, 2009

Good afternoon Chairman Lieberman, Senator Collins, and members of the Committee. I appreciate the opportunity to be here today to discuss the FBI’s role in investigating terrorist attacks overseas, including our response to the recent tragic attacks in Mumbai, India. I will also describe how we are working with our U.S. intelligence and law enforcement community partners to apply lessons learned from the Mumbai attacks to protect the U.S. Homeland.

FBI Role in Overseas Investigations

Increasingly, the FBI is called upon to address criminal and terrorist threats to U.S. interests in countries across the globe. Advances in technology, communications, and transportation have done more to blur international boundaries in the past decade than ever before. As a result, effectively combating transnational crime and terrorism now requires significantly greater cooperation among law enforcement, domestic security, and intelligence agencies on a global scale.

The FBI’s effort to strengthen and expand foreign partnerships in the fight against global crime and terror is coordinated by our Office of International Operations (OIO) at FBI Headquarters (FBIHQ), and carried out by our network of FBI Legal Attaché Offices, located in U.S. Embassies around the world. In the event of a threat to, or actual attack against U.S. citizens or interests abroad—and after coordination with the Chief of Mission and host nation—the appropriate FBI operational division deploys investigative personnel and equipment and runs our extraterritorial investigation. The Counterterrorism Division, for example, has the lead for the FBI’s investigation of terrorist attacks on U.S. citizens and interests overseas, such as the Mumbai attacks of November 26, 2008, which resulted in the deaths of six American citizens.

The primary role of OIO and the Legal Attachés is to advance the FBI’s national security and law enforcement missions by promoting close working relations with our foreign law enforcement and security service counterparts in every region of the world. In large measure, it is these relationships that directly result in foreign government cooperation and facilitation of FBI investigative activities abroad. These relationships pay additional dividends in the form of prompt and continuous exchanges of information, which greatly contribute to our proactive efforts at terrorism prevention.

In the aftermath of significant incidents abroad affecting American citizens or interests, the FBI, through our local or regional Legal Attaché, will extend an offer of investigative assistance to the senior leadership of the relevant host-country law enforcement or domestic security partner. Such offers of assistance typically result in varying levels of foreign government law enforcement cooperation, consistent with all host-country legal requirements and with full regard to the sovereign interests of the host government.

This basic formula describes the FBI’s engagement in virtually all investigations abroad of significant extraterritorial incidents, including the Mumbai terror attacks. In this investigation, the strong relationship of our Legal Attaché in New Delhi with our Indian law enforcement and intelligence partners, as well as the quality of the investigative team led by the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, has resulted in exceptional and continuing cooperation.

FBI Role in Mumbai Investigation

In response to the Mumbai attacks, the FBI obtained approval from the Government of India and the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi to deploy the Los Angeles Rapid Deployment Team (FBI LA) and several critical personnel from FBIHQ to Mumbai. The FBI team arrived in Mumbai on November 29, 2008. The FBI objective was to assist the Indian government with its investigation, determine who was responsible for the deaths of Americans in the attacks, uncover any possible U.S. nexus to the attacks and any other related threats to U.S. citizens or interests abroad, and share intelligence and other lessons learned with rest of the U.S. intelligence and law enforcement communities. The FBI Legal Attaché and Assistant Legal Attaché based in New Delhi also traveled to Mumbai to meet their Indian counterparts, offer any assistance needed, and support the incoming team. On December 17, 2008, several additional FBI personnel were deployed to Mumbai to assist in the local investigation.

In addition, FBIHQ and FBI LA established 24/7 command posts to support the FBI team in Mumbai. These command posts also helped to process information obtained from the investigation and related interviews, as well as process tactical and strategic analysis to define the overall intelligence picture.

In Mumbai, the Indian government gave the FBI unprecedented access to evidence and intelligence related to the attacks from the Mumbai Police and the Indian Intelligence Bureau. The FBI was provided access to most of the attack locations and technical evidence recovered from the scenes. The FBI was able to use advanced forensic and technical exploitation techniques to develop critical leads for both the Indian and U.S. investigations. The FBI also conducted more than 60 interviews of individuals in Mumbai, including witnesses with firsthand accounts of the attacks and security personnel who were involved in responding to the attacks.:eek::):undecided:


Threats Posed by Suspected Sponsors of Mumbai Attackers

The surviving Mumbai attacker has claimed that the Pakistan-based terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT) provided him training and direction for the attack. The FBI assesses that LT, which is well known to the U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC), remains a threat to U.S. interests in South Asia and, to a lesser extent, the U.S. Homeland. We have no current intelligence indicating that there is an organized LT presence in the United States or that LT senior leadership is seeking to attack the U.S. Homeland. LT does maintain facilitation, procurement, fundraising, and recruitment activities worldwide, including in the United States. For example, in the last few years, US courts convicted several followers of the “Virginia Jihad” Network of providing material support to terrorism relating to their training at an LT-sponsored training camp in Pakistan, with the intention of fighting against Coalition Forces in Afghanistan. In addition, the FBI is investigating a limited number of individuals across the United States who are linked in some way to LT—primarily through witting or unwitting fundraising for the group, as well as the recruitment of individuals from the United States to attend LT camps abroad.

Lessons Learned from Mumbai Attacks

The principal lesson from the Mumbai attacks reinforces the notion that a small number of trained and determined attackers with relatively unsophisticated weapons can do a great deal of damage. Other terrorist groups, to include al-Qaida and its affiliates, will no doubt take note of the Mumbai attacks and attempt to emulate them. What this means for the FBI is that we must continue to maintain a high level of vigilance for all indications of developing terrorist activity. The planning for the Mumbai attacks probably unfolded over a fairly long period with careful surveillance of the target sites and transportation routes. The FBI must continue to work closely with its state, local, and tribal law enforcement partners, especially in our Joint Terrorism Task Forces to follow up on indications of suspicious activity that could potentially be related to terrorism. Similarly, we must carefully monitor travel to participate in terrorist activities or fighting overseas, such as that recently reported by ethnic Somalis traveling to fight in Somalia. As the experience of the United Kingdom indicates, individuals who receive terrorist training or experience overseas clearly represent a threat. In addition, we need to continue to heighten the public’s awareness to the continued threat of terrorist attacks and the need to report suspicious incidents.

As an example of how we have already begun implementing these lessons learned, the FBI worked immediately after the attacks to identify any U.S. links to the planners and attackers. Whenever possible, all information was shared with the Indian government to aid in its investigation. The FBI disseminated more than 15 intelligence reports to the USIC based on information collected in Mumbai from both interviews and physical evidence. These classified reports are available to cleared state, local and tribal law enforcement personnel in Joint Terrorism Task Forces and in State and Local Fusion Centers. In addition, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) jointly issued an unclassified alert about the attacks to state, local, and tribal officials on November 27, 2008. The FBI and DHS also issued an Intelligence Bulletin on December 3, 2008, to building owners and operators, as well as the U.S. law enforcement community, to alert them to preliminary findings regarding the techniques and tactics used by terrorists in the Mumbai attacks. The bulletin indicated that the FBI and DHS had no credible or specific information that terrorists were planning similar operations against similar buildings in the United States, but urged local authorities and building owners and operators to be aware of potential attack tactics .

Another lesson learned from the Mumbai attacks is that terrorist groups that appear to be primarily a threat to their surrounding localities can sometimes have broader aspirations. Although LT has historically focused its attacks against Indian forces in the Kashmir region, the Mumbai attacks reinforce the reality that LT has the capability to operate outside its home base. The group did so in 2001 with an attack on the Indian Parliament building in New Delhi and is suspected of having been involved in the 2006 Mumbai train bombings. These actions highlight the need to examine other groups that appear to be active only locally and determine whether they have the operational capability and strategic intention to undertake a more regional or global agenda.

A great deal of work by federal, state, and local governments has contributed to preventing another attack in the U.S. Homeland since 9/11, but the threat, while somewhat lessened as a result of the successes in the global war on terror, remains.

Conclusion

Today, the FBI continues its investigation in Mumbai and has asked to interview other individuals in Indian custody who may be able to provide critical information on attack planning and group leadership. FBI counterterrorism agents and analysts are working to analyze all available information on the Mumbai attacks in order to determine who was responsible, assess lessons learned, determine if the United States may be vulnerable to a similar attack, and determine the threat posed by the group—or individuals tied to the group—to the United States. We are working closely with our USIC and law enforcement counterparts to analyze the vulnerability of the United States to such an attack, and will continue to disseminate information about lessons learned to our partners.

As the Committee is aware, a primary mission of the Department of Justice (DOJ) in support of the U.S. national security strategy is combating international terrorism and other forms of transnational crime (e.g., trafficking in persons, organized crime, public corruption, money laundering, narcotics, cyber crime, and intellectual property violations). To accomplish this mission, we must have effective partners and law enforcement institutions abroad to address international terrorism and illicit activities used to support terrorism. DOJ’s international training and development programs make a significant contribution to developing the competence and integrity of local government, thus increasing the capacity of the host nation to provide its population with credible, effective, and sustainable law enforcement, as well as corrections and justice sector institutions that uphold the rule of law.

DOJ’s Criminal Division houses two offices devoted exclusively to providing such assistance. ICITAP (International Criminal Investigative Training Assistance Program) develops police and corrections institutions, while OPDAT (Office of Overseas Prosecutorial Development, Assistance and Training) develops prosecutorial and judicial institutions and legislative reform. Both agencies contain sections targeting counter-terrorism. In addition to addressing country specific needs, ICITAP and OPDAT, supplemented by DOJ’s law enforcement components and prosecutors throughout DOJ, develop programs and institutions designed to increase regional cooperation abroad and between the United States and foreign countries in combating transnational crime. Working with their foreign counterparts, or by establishing bilateral and multilateral working groups, the prosecutors and law enforcement agents discuss best practices and ways to work together more closely in the investigation of transnational crime and to establish mechanisms to share information, evidence and intelligence critical to the successful prosecution of transnational crime.

In summary, Mr. Chairman, as the threats to our nation and our allies become ever-more globalized, the FBI is expanding our collaboration with our international and U.S. law enforcement and intelligence partners to prevent terrorist attacks and to assist in investigating them when they do occur. We will continue to build on these relationships to advance the FBI’s national security mission. And, as we have done with the Mumbai attacks, we will continue to analyze and share lessons learned from these investigations to help prevent future attacks at home or against U.S. interests abroad.


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I have cited testimony by a U.S. official before a committee of the U.S. Congress (the Senate Foreign Relations Committee) in which he acknowledged United States' sponsorship of extremist and terrorist groups in Pakistan :

"Mitchell Shivers, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for Asian & Pacific Security Affairs, gave the following testimony to the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee on 25 June 2008: ".... elements of extremism and terrorism are at work within Pakistan sponsored by the usa and India." (http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/...next-us-target )."

The testimony in post # 1 of this thread before the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security about the FBI's 'investigation' of the Mumbai attacks, pretending the U.S. does not know of its sponsorship of those and hundreds of other attacks, was staged to try to cover up and divert attention from that acknowledgment before the other U.S. Senate committee of U.S. sponsorship of extremism and terrorism in Pakistan. The U.S. vice-president-elect, Biden, was the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee before which the above testimony, containing the acknowledgment, was given. His "fact-finding" trip to the subcontinent is similarly meant to try to get 'deniability' as to his participation in these crimes . "Fact-finding" my foot! All these criminal Americans know exactly what they have been doing in the subcontinent.

As I have said in another thread (titled "Why Can't Pakistan Shoot Down U.S. Drones?") on this board, the mumbai attacks were carried out by the C.I.A., through intermediaries such as RAW and similar entities in Pakistan, of course, to provoke military tension/conflict between India and Pakistan so that the U.S. will have an opportunity to greatly expand its attacks on Pakistan, at present mostly limited to drone attacks, which are the start of a U.S. campaign to occupy and recolonise the subcontinent.

Not only has the United States no right to investigate a crime committed in India and should have no access to any evidence, etc., letting it take the position it is taking is making the criminal into a sheriff.

Failing to see what the Americans are up to and treating the criminal as a sheriff on the part of Indians (of course, RAW and many other Indians know about and participate in the Americans' crimes) is due to American propaganda which Indian media carry and the suppression of the news of the crimes of the Americans and their Indian lackeys against the greatest living Indian which are documented and clear as day light. Focusing on these crimes will expose all the other crimes of the United States. But the United States controls the media through RAW.
 
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Bronwen Maddox, Chief Foreign Commentator

Unfortunately, the sudden dismissal of Pakistan’s national security chief is not a sign of progress in the tense talks with India over the Mumbai terror attacks. It is more a sign of the disarray of Pakistan’s Government.

That goes beyond personalities (although they are huge, and all too relevant). It goes to the heart of Pakistan’s Constitution, which never made clear enough whether the President or Prime Minister was in charge, and which has not recovered from its remodelling by former President Musharraf.

The Indian Government, now with apparently firm proof that the one captured gunman was Pakistani, can be excused fury and frustration at its counterpart’s slow-moving vagueness in response. India is entirely justified in calling on Pakistan to do more to crack down on Islamic militants and their sympathisers inside the security services, and to urge the US and others to pile on the pressure too.

But Islamabad’s lack of coherent response is better interpreted as deep dysfunction, not malice. It is easy (and right) for India to criticise; the harder question is how to help its neighbour, in the next few crucial years, to shut the door on the radicalism that is eroding the few solid pillars of the country.

Pakistan is not a failed state, but it is an unfinished country, with two long borders in dispute, an economy undeveloped because of the block on trade with its giant neighbour, and a Constitution tugged into tatters by the rival claims of presidents, prime ministers, army chiefs and judges.

Those points – the Afghan and Kashmir borders, trade and the most basic institutions – need urgent international attention. The US will play the most important role, and behind that, Britain. It would help if India threw its weight into the search for solutions too.

The best development since the attacks of November 26 has been the tacit determination of the Indian and Pakistani governments not to turn this into war. There has been restraint on the Indian side, and realism, not demanding that Islamabad guarantees an end to all terrorism when it obviously can’t. There have been professions of willingness to help from Pakistan’s President Zardari.

But clear signs point to the hand of Pakistani terror groups, particularly Lashkar-e-Taiba. After Islamabad admitted this week that Mohammed Ajmal Kasab, the captured gunman, had Pakistani nationality, Yousaf Gilani, the Prime Minister, dismissed Mehmood Ali Durrani as National Security Adviser. A rapid response, indicating that Pakistan was treating the matter seriously, you might think. But it is more indicative of Gilani’s desire to flex his muscles, in the scrappy battle with Zardari over who runs Pakistan. Durrani was a Zardari appointment, favoured because he had helped him and his late wife, Benazir Bhutto, to make contacts in the US. Gilani, it is said, felt that Durrani was not treating him with respect, not even going through the motions of keeping him informed.

Under Pakistan’s constitution, the Prime Minister is the executive. But the huge powers that Musharraf seized and bolted on to the presidency muddied a division of powers that was already much less clear cut than in countries that work well.

Zardari’s weakness, as an accidental President, stumbling into the role after the assassination of Bhutto in December 2007, has only fuelled the tussle. Ministerial meetings now happen only in response to one crisis after another; the rhythm of regular government has vanished.

The vacuum in Islamabad has led to incoherent responses to the Mumbai crisis, the President and Prime Minister apparently unaware or indifferent to the impact of a delay in responding. India should be credited for its patience. But the muddled, occasionally offensive signals from Islamabad are a symptom of the same problem as the attacks themselves: Pakistan’s own frozen development.

India wins against its rival on any competition you can devise, from wealth to health to military strength. India’s rise, and Pakistan’s slide, means that they have outgrown their old symmetrical stand-off, once dubbed “the best of enemies”. India needs to decide whether it will reconsider concessions it once found unthinkable, on trade, and even on international mediation on Kashmir.
 
In an interview with CNN, Mahmud Ali Durrani said there appeared to be proof that all 10 gunmen had Pakistani roots. Officials from the Foreign and Information ministries confirmed that assertion, but the Foreign Ministry later retracted its statement, and within hours, government officials and national TV channels reported that Durrani, a former intelligence chief, had been dismissed by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani.

This is the part where everyone gets confused, First Foreign ministry confirms (confirms:to acknowledge with definite assurance) that all 10 have Pakistanie routes. Then later retracted. This gov't since the Mumbai terrorist attack has done this numerous times. The army has been tad bit late in correcting the civil gov't i would say.
 
I guess its time to move on. We are done with the nationality of Kasab and it should not be construed as win for India and vice versa. We must realize that its one step in right direction to fight the common enemy.

For the sake of argument, I would like to have the views of the members here considering this scenario... Around 70 innocent civilians are killed in a railway staion in cold blooded murder, a five star hotel in Karachi is attacked with a hostage situation, with their handlers sitting in Afghanistan armed with Sat phones and VoIP virtual phones guiding those perpertrators to inflict maximum damage. Please comment what you would think if the Afghan govt takes a stand like below:

- These are non-state actors (You already established they came from Afghanistan)

- There is no evidence that the captured terrorist is Afghani, he doesn't exist in our database :what:.

- We have arrested certain individuals and banned certain organizations (inspite of getting no proof or evidence from you), and almost in the same breath announces we have no clue where these arrested individuals are.

You get the picture. Just please respond honestly, if it involved loss of life in Pakistan at the hands of brutal terrorists.
 
When Biden comes to India, he should be arrested by Mumbai police for participating in crimes of terrorism against India.
 
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