Mumbai Attacks

[Pk_Thunder]

posted already i post morning boss.

But this seems better than the one u posted..it is with China flag...Sorry i didnt know tht it has been posted before

 

[roadrunner]

This has been discussed at length before?

Why do you Indians keep repeating the same lies? Do you think it will stick eventually?

The Nawaz Sharif thing, even his party said that he did not say Qasab was Pakistani, he said why are things cordoned off. I think he's wrong even on that. Nothing was cordoned off, as every journalist had unrestricted access to Faridkot. But Nawaz Sharif did not say Qasab was a Pakistani.

You're not presenting evidience. I can present hundreds of articles that say 3 million Bangladeshis died in 1971, but it's not true. That is journalism, sensationalize, sell papers.

If your evidence is journals, you have no evidence. You're even using disproven articles.

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=137789

Credibility loss 100%!

 

[makkipakistan]

Zavis,

Teri makka ***** , know the news perfectly before speaking, dont motivate muslims to attack india. Pakistan is culprit

 

[must7]

Zavis,

Teri makka ***** , know the news perfectly before speaking, dont motivate muslims to attack india. Pakistan is culprit

Excuse me Sir, Can you tell that to the chief of Interpol !

& mind your language.

 

[ahmeddsid]

Fine, Nawas Retracted his words, or rather denied it!!! Great now he doesnt need to come to India and stand in Elections! lol, he can fight in Pakistan itself. And Please I know Journalism, I know what it means to be a Journalist. I have seen the scrupulous and unscrupulous Journalists. I know the distinction between truth and sensationalism! God Speed

 

[Lockheed F-16]

Fine, Nawas Retracted his words, or rather denied it!!! Great now he doesnt need to come to India and stand in Elections! lol, he can fight in Pakistan itself. And Please I know Journalism, I know what it means to be a Journalist. I have seen the scrupulous and unscrupulous Journalists. I know the distinction between truth and sensationalism! God Speed

Really? Indian Journalism is really poor then

 

[Pk_Thunder]

India's media blasted for sensational Mumbai coverage​

With tensions running high between India and Pakistan, the press is being urged to quit fanning the flames.
By Daniel Pepper | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

Mumbai, India - Emerging from decades of government control and regulations, India's media are quickly evolving into a boisterous, zealous fourth estate, most observers agree. But coverage of the 67-hour Mumbai (Bombay) terrorist attacks has caused unprecedented condemnation, especially toward 24-hour television news channels. Critics describe it as "TV terror" for showing gory scenes, being too aggressive, and often reporting incorrect information as fact.

"They don't need to apologize as much as they need to introspect – figure out how to operate in a time of crisis," says Dipankar Gupta, sociology professor at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi.

On the evening of Nov. 26, well-coordinated attacks against two five-star hotels, a hospital, a popular cafe, a railway station, and a Jewish center brought the financial capital of India to its knees, leaving at least 171 dead and more than 230 injured.

In the following days, critics say, many Indian journalists were overly dramatic, sensationalist, and quick to report live "exclusives" of unconfirmed rumors. Many say TV anchors, who are minor celebrities in India, were overwrought with emotion and were quick to blame Pakistan for the attacks.

"It's high time we realize and accept that we are at fault," said Shishir Joshi, editorial director of Mid-Day, a Mumbai newspaper. "We did well getting into the line of fire, but from an ethical point of view we screwed up big-time."

Recognizing the missteps in coverage, the recently created National Broadcaster Association revealed a new set of rules for the industry last week. The guidelines ban broadcasting of footage that could reveal security operations and live contact with hostages or attackers.

The association, which represents many of the country's top news channels, hammered out the new regulations after several meetings with government officials. At the same time, India's Parliament is considering the creation of a broadcasting regulatory agency for private news channels.

Meanwhile, the story continues to develop, as tensions run high and add urgency to calls for media regulation. On Monday, India's Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherje insisted that Pakistan take aggressive action against those responsible for the Mumbai attacks. The Indian government is ready to "take all measures necessary as we deem fit to deal with the situation," Mr. Mukherje told a group of diplomats in Delhi.

For several weeks, India has been asking Pakistan to hand over insurgents involved with militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is suspected of masterminding the attacks. Pakistan has yet to confirm that the surviving gunman of the Mumbai attacks is Pakistani, despite reports Monday that Ajmal Amir Kasab made a statement, sent to Pakistan officials, claiming to be from Pakistan.

Television coverage of the attacks showed dead bodies and hostages trapped in rooms, revealed commando operations and positions, and reported the location of hostages at the Taj Mahal Hotel. Senior news editors are accused of playing martial music between updates and providing airtime to Bollywood actors and other members of Mumbai's chatterati. One station even aired a telephone conversation with one of the 10 gunmen.

"One of the ill effects of unrestrained coverage is that of provoking anger amongst the masses," said K.G. Balakrishnan, the chief justice of the Supreme Court of India, during a recent conference on terrorism in New Delhi.

The relatively young medium of 24-hour television news received the lion's share of criticism. "There are people on television channels who are not even familiar with the basics of coverage," says Pankaj Vohra, political editor of the Hindustan Times in New Delhi. "I think it needs to evolve itself and it will become mature as time passes."

The most maligned journalist has been Barkha Dutt, the young news talk-show host of New Delhi television. The Facebook group, "Barkha Dutt for worst journalist in the world," has attracted nearly 1,500 members since its creation following the attacks. The site accuses her of being melodramatic, arrogant, and insensitive to relatives of victims.

Ms. Dutt and other television journalists have also been criticized for focusing on the sieges at the Taj and Oberoi hotels – domains of the country's wealthy and ruling elite – while largely ignoring the train station that was littered with the bodies of migrant workers. Fifty-eight people were gunned down there.

Dutt says she finds much of the criticism to be "incorrect and mean-spirited," but concedes that there is a lesson to be learned. "If there is even a shadow of doubt of security being compromised, the industry should be willing to delay-telecast so that we can once and for all end this argument," she says.

Regulating the industry could be a joint effort between the media and government, according to critics who say the government should also share some of the fault for the sensational coverage: Journalists did not have access to secure sites and very little official information was offered.

"A media crackdown is not the answer – self-regulated media is at the core of Indian democracy," says Arnab Goswami, editor-in-chief of Times Now television channel. "This incident should highlight the need for government and media to work together."

The media has criticized both local and federal government for failing to set up fixed police lines around hostage sites and for not providing regular press briefings.

"The [media] beast has got to be constantly fed. The information flow from government sources was terrible," said Rajdeep Sardesai, editor-in-chief of the CNN-IBN news channel.

Around Nariman House, the center for Jewish life located in a neighborhood of small, labyrinthine streets, a member of India's elite antiterrorism squad brandishing a pistol chased a dozen reporters from the roof of a building opposite the siege, from where they had been perched for 36 hours. The journalists then ran across a narrow alley into an adjacent building to angle for a better position.

"In most places the police need to be trained at crowd management. Nobody expected this kind of attack, this magnitude of the attack," says Mr. Vohra of the Hindustan Times newspaper.

India's media played a prominent role in its independence movement, and for years journalism held a respected position in society.

"It's fine to say that the media overreacted and that it has become jingoistic and nationalistic. The question is why has it become like that," says Ajit Sahi, an editor at Tehelka magazine, India's leading investigative weekly. He argues that the profit motive of the corporate media houses has forced journalists out of unions by offering them twice or three times what they previously earned, though their employment is now governed by contracts that can be terminated at any time. The problem, argues Mr. Sahi, is that the current model guarantees journalists no protection, even if they object to a story being manipulated or sensationalized.

That's the accusation levied by one of India's most famous film directors, Mahesh Bhatt, against CNN-IBN's Mr. Sardesai, one of India's most prominent TV anchors. Bhatt went a step further and charged that Sardesai and his channel encroached on Bhatt's turf – fiction – after the channel played Bollywood theme songs from movies about wars between India and Pakistan during news updates.

"It's what we do in the movies – whipping up passion – and what was at stake, but a nuclear holocaust?" argues Bhatt, referring to the nuclear weapons capabilities of both South Asian countries. "You use the same tools – you keep the audience on a continuous high."

 

[must7]

Some of it is spread by Pakistanis for some silly reason. Are they on India's payroll, Altaf Hussain like, or something?

Roadrunner : What about this :-

Kasab Pics - Pakistani Defence Forum

 

[Pashtun]

The plot of Bernard Lewis' Arc of Crises, and his (re-drawn middle east/central asian map) thickens with the time passes.

To understand the drama, you must understand the events (unless you don't want to get your hands off that microscope labeled as Islamophobia).

So LeT, which was solely blamed for these attacks, right off the bat, is propogandised as multi-national entity and their connection to every event in the world has been mildly spoken by the same three Anglo-American-Israelites, who happen to have that crystal ball somehow.

Skipping the details about how LeT has been created, funded, supported and trained by Anglo-Americans through their regional assets. In 2002, the Washington Post ran a story detailing a CIA plan titled "Worldwide Attack Matrix" by George Tenet, which was "outlining a clandestine anti-terror campaign in 80 countries around the world.".

The plan entailed CIA and Special Forces "covert operations across the globe," and at "the heart of the proposal was a recommendation that the president give the CIA what Tenet labeled "exceptional authorities" to attack and destroy al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the rest of the world."

The Worldwide Attack Matrix "described covert operations in 80 countries that were either underway or that he was now recommending. The actions ranged from routine propaganda to lethal covert action in preparation for military attacks," as well as "In some countries, CIA teams would break into facilities to obtain information.[1]

That clarifies the heinous goals of nexus of Evil operational behaviour -> "Commit terror, to incite terror… in order to react to Terror".

So the international connections make the LeT the most desirable outfit to blame for the Mumbai attacks, as its Al-Qaeda connections, international presence and historical precedents of terror attacks set it up as the perfect target.

Much like with Al-Qaeda, the LeT’s international scope could serve as a basis for taking a "war against LeT" to the steps of many countries, thus further serving the interests of the Anglo-American "War on Terror."

Now lets look at the mysterious events taking place in Mumbai attacks,

Immediately following the attacks, it was reported that, "Unprecedented intelligence cooperation involving investigating agencies and spy outfits of India, United States, United Kingdom and Israel has got underway to crack the method and motive behind the Mumbai terrorist massacre, now widely blamed on Islamist radicals who appeared to have all four countries on their hit list when they arrived on the shores of India." Specifically, "Investigators, forensic analysts, counter-terrorism experts and spymasters from agencies the four countries are converging in New Delhi and Mumbai to put their heads, resources, and skills together to understand the evolving nature of the beast."

Further, "Washington suggested sending US Special Forces for on-the-ground operations in Mumbai but New Delhi declined the offer, saying its own forces could take care of the situation." This unprecedented intelligence cooperation was based upon the understanding that, “the manner in which the terrorists who attacked Mumbai are reported to have singled out Americans and Britons, besides pointedly occupying a Jewish center, has revealed that their agenda was wider than just domestic discontent or the Kashmir issue."[2]

Shortly after the attacks began, it was reported that FBI agents were quickly flown to Mumbai to help in investigating the Mumbai attacks. Israel also offered to send in its "crack commandos to Mumbai to rescue Israeli hostages held in a Jewish centre," which was refused by India.

Now why would they'd be so anxious to get involved in investigations? to clean up any evidence of their involvement? or to forge any evidence of directing the blame to their intended target?

Moving on to mysterious live reporting throughout that saga... Hours after the attacks began on November 26, it was reported that two terrorists were killed and two others were arrested.[3]

Later on, reports surfaced in which Indian police had killed four of the Mumbai terrorists and arrested nine of them.[4]

Shortly following the outbreak of violence, Indian authorities stated that, "Seven of the Mumbai terrorists were British" and that, "two Brits had been arrested and another five suspects were from the UK." Further, Blackberry phones found on the suspects contained "a lot of content" connecting them with the UK.[5]

The Chief Minister of Mumbai had early on reported that, “two British-born Pakistanis were among eight gunmen seized by Indian commandos who stormed buildings to free hostages."[6]

On December 1, the Daily Mail reported that, “As many as seven of the terrorists may have British connections.

Interestingly, by November 29, the story had conveniently changed. All of a sudden, Mumbai cops had only "captured" one terrorist.

So where did the arrested "terrorists" go? Why the live media reports, police confirming they captured "terrorists" and making claims they are British and all, changed?

Early on, there was an incident in which a taxicab was blown up in Mumbai, with the driver and passenger killed. The taxi started moving through a red light when the car bomb exploded, which ended up saving the lives of hundreds, as opposed to if the car had moved when the light was green and intersection was full.

Why the taxi moved on red light on time to be exploded to save hundreds of lives? was taxi driver also involved? if he was, then why it didn't go to intended target and exploded in the middle?

So as mentioned, all of a sudden, Mumbai cops had only nabbed one 'terrorist', and that person, has effectively become the nail-in-the-coffin for laying the blame at Pakistan’s door.

As soon as this person was caught, he began to sing like a canary, and gave every single bit of a information, exceptionally needed in that poorly written bollywood script, that is eventually to spread the war on terrorism to those 80 countries planned out in World Attack Matrix, by creating another enemy LeT.

And these attackers, as report said, were highly trained in marine warfare, recoinnaicense, spying and formulating their attacks in an unknown location right off the boat (which they happened to better than the people owning and running the place) and all that while carrying Pakistani ID cards on them, to make sure when caught/killed, the rest of the world knows they came from Pakistan and belongs to LeT.

What objective in this do you see? who gets the benefit? to think about these questions, you must go back to CIA/MI6/Mossad's approach "Commit terror, to incite terror… in order to react to terror", and then answer.

Why is this significant? Because this closely resembles tactics used in Iraq since the Anglo-American occupation of the country, employed by both US and British intelligence and special forces in an effort to sow chaos and create civil strife and war. (You can easily research on how they did that).

So in light of this blame game and irchestrating the evidence, one must critically examine, who benefits? Who had the means? Who had to motive? In whose interest is it to destabilize the region?

It is crystal clear to me that ultimately picking LeT for its international scope could serve as a basis for taking a "war against LeT" to the steps of many countries, thus further serving the interests of the Anglo-American War on Terror and their ultimate goal of re-drawing the map of middle east and central asia.

Extending the war theater to Pakistan, defanging its military, a threat to Israel.

Hence the modus operandy of focus entirely based on Pakistan (regardless of state or stateless individuals) to label the country "axis of terrorism" and find a justification to bomb and balkanize it (which will favour Israel and India the most). In fact the break up of Pakistan, is not a far-fetched idea in terms of Anglo-American strategy.

the plan for the destabilization and ultimately, balkanization of Pakistan has originated in Anglo-American-Israeli military strategic circles. Britain has long been famous for Divide and COnquer strategy, which was inherited by U.S. and it kept on functioning in the case of Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Croatia, Africa, Middle East etc.

Ultimately, the aims of the Mumbai attacks are to target Pakistan for balkanization, in the next frame of that movie, we all are watching since few decades, called New World Order.

The Mumbai attacks do not aid India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or any nation within the region. The beneficiaries of the Mumbai Massacre are in London and New York, in the boardrooms and shareholders of the largest international banks; which seek total control of the world. Having dominated North America and Europe for much of recent history, these bankers, primarily Anglo-American, but also European, seek to exert their total control over the world’s resources, currencies, and populations.

References:
[1]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071800702.html

[2]http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/India_gets_intelligence_aid_from_US_UK/articleshow/3770950.cms

[3]http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/two-terrorists-killed-two-arrested-in-mumbai_100124003.html

[4]http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Four-terrorists-killed-nine-arrested/391103/

[5]http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2008/11/29/mumbai-attacks-seven-terrorists-were-british-claims-indian-government-86908-20932992/

[6]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/3533472/Mumbai-attack-British-men-among-terrorists.html

 

[must7]

And these attackers, as report said, were highly trained in marine warfare, recoinnaicense, spying and formulating their attacks in an unknown location right off the boat (which they happened to better than the people owning and running the place) and all that while carrying Pakistani ID cards on them, to make sure when caught/killed, the rest of the world knows they came from Pakistan and belongs to LeT.

Very well written indeed ...

However wanted to add that first the pictures came out with smiling faces, we pointed out that the background of NICOP (Pakistani computerized ID which every Pakistani holds) card was wrong ..

In another twist the cards came out to be later on Indian forged driving licenses !

Up to now I have not seen a Pakistani NICOP card of any terrorist .. & mind you it took a good very 10 days to see the remaining 8 terrorist faces (1 was burnt beyond recognition) !

 

[roadrunner]

Some of it is spread by Pakistanis for some silly reason. Are they on India's payroll, Altaf Hussain like, or something?

Roadrunner : What about this :-

Kasab Pics - Pakistani Defence Forum

Ask yourself why the Indians are photoshopping pictures so that the Kalava appears on his left hand.

This is all misinformation.

The Kalava was on the right hand in both the pictures released immediately after the attacks.

Whoever plotted this, didn't figure that CCTV camera.

Now they're trying to make it look like the Kalava is a fake.

It's misinformation.

 

[Kumar]

Everyday drones are killing civilians in your country

its new..

Suspected U.S. Strikes Kill Eight in Pakistan

washingtonpost.com

India is not going to attack Pakistan alone... soon like what drones are doing right now on one side it will start on another side also ..and then you will people will ask for more proof....

 

[must7]

Roadrunner .. no wonder we are saying for a joint investigation, to know truth & not media bulls ,, .. paddling , not paddling, hotels are free, but are not, one more to go and than another one to go .. etc. etc ..

Joint investigation is the way forward.

Tomorrow we will catch a panic stricken Indian too and roast him to confess anything !

Joint investigation.

 

[roadrunner]

I doubt India will agree to a oint investigation because they have something to hide.

The other board made some valid points too. The CCTV caught this terrorist only on picture, miraculously the same terrorist was the only one taken alive.

 

[rubyjackass]

One more terrorist was caught on cameras.

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