Mumbai Attacks

[Stumper]

hmmm - great lookalike theory by Kasab! Wonder if he has got in touch with the ISI

No .. David Headley interrogated him. Chap is learning fast

 

[Awesome]

No more Zaid hamid threads, keep the discussions to the sticky thread.

 

[vnomad]

I said TV channels, not Indian News Channels, come one buddy, don't get so emotional that you can't differentiate what i meant and what you took it. I meant the normal indian channels of different nature that we have watched so far.

I okay I misunderstood that part. But, I personally haven't seen anything remotely resembling that accent in any TV channel either, with the exception of a few regional channels(Haryana, Punjab and J&K).

 

[MastanKhan]

I didn't even know it existed until I saw this broadcast. The part when the handlers ordered the terrorists to execute the hostages at Nariman house was absolutely chilling. Even the terrorists seemed reluctant to carry it out.

Vnomad,

I never knew that it existed tille I accidently cliked on that link.

It was truly shocking to hear that man calmy order the execution of innocent people---the instructor was talking like a lover coaxing his beloved to do the unthinkable---that was the most fearsome part of the transaction---how much control he had over his voice---how calm he was ordering the deaths of helpless people. It was truly an eye opener.

I have known and read about this kind of control but listeing to it first hand, just makes the hair stand up on your body.

These people have truly mastered the art of mind control---there was so much love and compassion in that guys voice when he was coaxing the terrorist to kill---a truly masterful performance---one to be fearful of---fearful to totally eradicate them.


Reminded me of Dr Hannibal Lector, where he makes Megs commit suicide by swallowing his tongue----shockingly mesmerizing.

 

[Dawkins]

Scotland Yard has warned businesses in London to expect a Mumbai-style attack on the capital.

In a briefing in the City of London 12 days ago, a senior detective from SO15, the Metropolitan police counter-terrorism command, said: “Mumbai is coming to London.”

The detective said companies should anticipate a shooting and hostage-taking raid “involving a small number of gunmen with handguns and improvised explosive devices”.

The warning — the bluntest issued by police — has underlined an assessment that a terrorist cell may be preparing an attack on London early next year.

It was issued by the Met through its network of “security forums”, which provide business leaders, local government and the emergency services with counter-terrorism advice.

During a “commando-style” raid by 10 gunmen on hotels and cafes in Mumbai in November 2008, 174 people were killed and more than 300 injured over three days.

Officials now report an increase in “intelligence chatter” — communications captured by electronic eavesdropping agencies. One senior security adviser said the police warnings had intensified and become much more specific in the past fortnight.

“Before, there has been speculation. Now we are getting what appears to be a definite plot to carry out a firearms attack on London,” he said.

Earlier this year, police, military and intelligence services held an exercise in Kent to see whether they could defeat a commando raid in London by terrorists.

“The exercise brought out to those taking part that the capability doesn’t exist to deal with that situation should it arise,” said a military source.

Security sources said concerns had been raised by “chatter” on a prominent jihadist website two weeks ago.

One contributor suggested fighters could use automatic weapons to strike places such as nightclubs, sporting venues and Jewish centres.

In an online discussion hosted on December 2, another contributor invited suggestions for carrying out “guerrilla warfare” and proposed “a group of mujaheddin raid police stations and fire at them”.

Another said: “Make sure that all those at the location are of age, that there are no children and so on. Insist on the locations and times where no Muslims or children are to be expected.

“If machine guns are available, and explosive and expertise for [explosives] are not available, this is a good way ... The [Mumbai] operation is the ideal scenario for operations you are talking about.”

A third contributor said targets should be “chosen in a studied manner”.

He added: “In general, targeting economic joints and intelligence centres if possible has priority over police stations.”

The Met is understood to be struggling to draw up effective plans to deal with the challenge of mass shootings followed by a prolonged siege with terrorists prepared to kill their hostages and themselves.

In Mumbai, many victims were killed in the first half hour of the attack. The Met is concerned that it will be much longer before the SAS, which has traditionally dealt with terrorist sieges in London, would arrive from its base at Regent’s Park barracks.

Patrick Mercer, chairman of the Commons counter-terrorism sub-committee, said the threat was “very real”.



Police expect Mumbai-style terror attack on City of London - Times Online

 

[grey boy 2]

India rejects talks with Pakistan before it acts against Mumbai attackers - People's Daily Online 21:51, December 22, 2009

India reiterated Tuesday that the resumption of dialogue with Pakistan depended on Islamabad bringing the perpetrators of the Mumbai terror attacks to justice and dismantling terror infrastructure on its soil.

India has suspended dialogue with Pakistan since last year's Mumbai terror attacks which killed over 170 people.

"Our position has been very clear and consistent. We have asked Pakistan to take two steps -- one, to bring perpetrators of Mumbai attacks to justice and to ensure that terror structures in Pakistan used against our country should be dismantled. But we have not seen progress in either of these two steps," said Indian Minister of State for External Affairs Shashi Tharoor.

"We would like them to take steps on these two fronts. Until that action takes place we are not in a position to resume composite dialogue. We can certainly talk to Pakistan but they should show us they are serious," said Tharoor.

Tharoor's statement came in the aftermath of remarks by Pakistan's envoy to India Shahid Malik that New Delhi wasn't implementing the "agreement" reached at Sharm-el-Shaikh about delinking dialogue from action against terrorism.

But Tharoor said that Islamabad had to take the first step, only then New Delhi would meet it "more than the half way".

"So far, Pakistan has not done it. We believe there is a great deal to be done," he said.

India provided Pakistan with seven dossiers containing evidence against those involved in the mayhem, including alleged mastermind Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed.　

Source:Xinhua

 

[Hulk]

While I am a big fan of dialog but it is very difficult to talk when you see that your people from neighboring country have committed a heinous crime and the country is not serious about prosecuting the criminals.

I do not see any seriousness and its all cover-up, internally you do not know Lakhvi might be living in a five star facility.

While we just had Kasab caught in India (a pawn), Pakistan on the other hand have all the mastermind under their custody, still they say we do not have enough evidence. It can either be incompetence of the security apparatus or unwillingness (which I feel is the case), that they have made no progress so far.

Its not what you say to the world that determine how serious you are, its what you do. I think the way they reacted after 26/11 created more problem then 26/11 itself. Denial of Kasab being played for months on media created mistrust of highest level, for a common man Pakistan was trying to save people who have committed the act.

The only way this mistrust can be resolved is by showing to the same world that we are serious about punishing who were involved.

And then proceed with dialog and resolve all outstanding issues. Until that is done people will not accept any pro Pakistan stand in short term. GOI knows how people reacted after Sharm-El-Shaikh.

 

[New Shivaji]

I am for good friendly relationship with pakistan but not at this present juncture. Let pakistan bring the perpatrators to justice and dismantel all the terrorist infrastructure against India then we can talk.
What's the hurry for talks when nothing can be achieve under the present circumstances.

 

[PWFI]

oki ! so india want, pakistan army come to india and kill terroristes right?

 

[Windjammer]

The supposedly Mumbai attacks materialized just over a year ago, there are other issues which have been pending for much longer and even since independence, they need to be addressed and resolved systematically, you can't pick and chose at will. India must realize that it can never dictate Pakistan hence it's in India's interest to swallow the bitter pill and wake up to the 20s.

 

[UchihaCG]

oki ! so india want, pakistan army come to india and kill terroristes right?

no, what our government wants is for Pakistan to STOP supporting terrorists against India.

The supposedly Mumbai attacks materialized just over a year ago, there are other issues which have been pending for much longer and even since independence, they need to be addressed and resolved systematically, you can't pick and chose at will. India must realize that it can never dictate Pakistan hence it's in India's interest to swallow the bitter pill and wake up to the 20s.

Other issues, yes...... but the most important to US right now is our security more than anything. So first, assure us that you will cooperate and stop helping terrorists. Then talks will resume. Our government won't change it's stance, as you've seen firmly what Dr.Singh has been saying for the past 6 months.

 

[Windjammer]

Other issues, yes...... but the most important to US right now is our security more than anything. So first, assure us that you will cooperate and stop helping terrorists. Then talks will resume. Our government won't change it's stance, as you've seen firmly what Dr.Singh has been saying for the past 6 months.

You know if Israel was to address and settle the Palestinian cause with intent, most if not all Muslim Countries would be lining up to open a diplomatic link with the Zionist State, similarly, if the core issue of Kashmir was settled between India/Pakistan, all other disputes will fall into place or simply fade away.

 

[UchihaCG]

You know if Israel was to address and settle the Palestinian cause with intent, most if not all Muslim Countries would be lining up to open a diplomatic link with the Zionist State, similarly, if the core issue of Kashmir was settled between India/Pakistan, all other disputes will fall into place or simply fade away.

Yes, that's exactly true; but you are stopping the dialogue yourself. We don't like when someone attacks us and their government puts their hands down and says "kashmir?".

Hope you understand.

 

[Hulk]

The supposedly Mumbai attacks materialized just over a year ago, there are other issues which have been pending for much longer and even since independence, they need to be addressed and resolved systematically, you can't pick and chose at will. India must realize that it can never dictate Pakistan hence it's in India's interest to swallow the bitter pill and wake up to the 20s.

The problem is the way you see it. Lets take a very close example, lets replace countries by families living together of size 100 each.

One person from family A goes and kills 10 people of family B. The family A says that the head of family A was unaware about this, now family B says we want justice, family A says it happened because of dispute between us and we want it resolved.

Now if family B says unless you punish the culprits we cannot talk.

Now if you want to call this as family B dictating then it is your perspective, for family B family A is hiding the killers and it is not easy to do business in these circumstances.

Its been to insensitive attitude by Pakistani's, if the same incidence would have been other way round I would have loved to see the response. (I wish it should not happen, just wanted to point hypocrisy)

Easier said then done.

 

[jupiter2007]

Yes, that's exactly true; but you are stopping the dialogue yourself. We don't like when someone attacks us and their government puts their hands down and says "kashmir?".

Hope you understand.

You and the whole world know that Bombay attack was stage drama from India. Don't like explaining again and again.