Mumbai Attacks

[metalfalcon]

Dear PAMA and AK-47.

Pakistan has Not Denied the Fact that Pakistani soil was used by the Terrorists for Mumbai attack. Pakistan has Given the Report Before FBI did, Were you Keeping Some Cotton in your Ears at that Time . Pakistan gave a Detailed Explanation on How these Terrorists Committed this act. There were at least 15 More Countries whom Resources were used by these Terrorists.

Its You Indians who are denying the Facts That ISI or Pakistani Govt was Not Involved but the you don't Understand it Worse than that You Don't want to Understand It. You want to hear the Name of ISI Every time and that is what makes you happy and Gives you an excuse to Point Finger at Pakistan .

 

[metalfalcon]

You have habit of deny and then accept it.
same with this too.
You never accepted ISI suupport's LeT but now you say ISI used to support before 2001

Why you are Jumping so Much up and Down. Do you know the Meaning of BEFORE, Yes we supported them Before we Even used to support Taliban (NOTE: don't Forget that Americans were the One who created them).

Mumbai Incident Took place AFTER a Long Time since 2001. So it makes sense that ISI or Pakistani Govt was not Supporting them when they Carried out This Terrorist act.

Pakistan has Asked more than 30 Questions from GoI after Investigation on this Issue, Your Govt Better Co-operate with us In order to Punish these Terrorists, The Ball is in Indian Court and lets see how you will React to Pakistan's Co-operation.

 

[Solomon2]

Dear PAMA and AK-47.

Pakistan has Not Denied the Fact that Pakistani soil was used by the Terrorists for Mumbai attack.

Has Pakistan, either the GoP or prominent individual citizens, ever clearly and unequivocally apologized to India for the Mumbai attack?

 

[blain2]

It's typical of you guys to deny everything at first but later you guys are all proven wrong. Remember Indian conspericy and Pakistan had not hand in this argument? LOL

No its not typical of us. We simply said give us proof. Upon being furnished, Pakistan responsibly acted upon it and responded. What pissed off Pakistanis and led to stonewalling were the threats backing up demands for action and what not.

 

[Solomon2]

No its not typical of us. We simply said give us proof.

There was nothing "simple" about it. Based on reports from the Indian media, Pakistani police quickly gathered plenty of evidence of their own. But they were not allowed to act upon it; only the data collected outside the country was considered "proof". The implication is that although some people may be prosecuted for Mumbai, their deeds have not been truly repudiated and the data collected will be used to stage terrorist attacks that can't be traced back to Pakistan as easily.

In sum, I characterize Pakistan's position as, "Terrorism isn't a crime, unless you get caught."

 

[roadrunner]

Based on reports from the Indian media, Pakistani police quickly gathered plenty of evidence of their own. But they were not allowed to act upon it; only the data collected outside the country was considered "proof".

How can Pakistani police gather information when the incident took place in India? You can't just arrest people and hold them without charge.

Stop being so dopey.

 

[Solomon2]

Evidence doesn't just consist of artifacts from the scene of the crime, but from the criminals' lair: recruitment, training, organization, weapons and equipment purchases. That's the sort of stuff the Pakistani police collected, stuff indicating the purpose and planned targets of the terrorists, as well as their masters, of course.

 

[ejaz007]

There was nothing "simple" about it. Based on reports from the Indian media, Pakistani police quickly gathered plenty of evidence of their own. But they were not allowed to act upon it; only the data collected outside the country was considered "proof". The implication is that although some people may be prosecuted for Mumbai, their deeds have not been truly repudiated and the data collected will be used to stage terrorist attacks that can't be traced back to Pakistan as easily.

In sum, I characterize Pakistan's position as, "Terrorism isn't a crime, unless you get caught."

Solomon,

Ther is a thread related to mumbai blasts, infact more than one. I suggest you first go through those where the matter has been thoroughly discussed.

No coming to your accussation that the data collected shall be used to plan better terrorist acts.

First one has to see what proof has been provided. There are two types of proof. One is the telephone calls and mobile, sims and GPS equipment recovered according to Indian authorities. These were not procured from Pakistan but outside Pakistan and therefore can not be used as a proof. Even if these were used by terrorists how can you connect these with ISI or government until you have a purchase order signed by ISI or some government official.

Then there is the stuff recovered from the scene of the crime. Some tooth pastes, brushes and other daily use items of Pakistani origin. If these are taken into account and considered a valid proof then I am sure a number of terorists killed around the world would have either watches or other things made in USA with them. Does this mean USA is involved.

The other much talked about proof was the boat captured by Indians. Yes the same boat that came from Karachi and was rushing back towards Pakistan from scene of crime. Unfortunately the boat has just been released to one Mr. Vinod a Indian and not a Pakistani. So there goes your proof.

Yet another proof is the DNA sample of Mr. Ajmal that linkshim to the boat captured by the Indians. They found some stuff on the boat that has same DNA as Mr. Ajmal. Now if this is a valid proof than I guess a lot of other peoples DNA would yield the same result why don;t they prosecute them all.

There is also another way one has to look at this DNA proof. Suppose you **** some one and that some one goes and blows herself at a public place. They take her DNA and other samples and analyze it and then search for the other DNA found. They come to you and arrest you for being the mastermind. What would you say I guess you are the guilty party if we go by the Indian standard .

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Lashkar-e-Taiba ringleaders had ambitions well beyond causing mayhem in India, the Guardian has learned

The plotters behind the Mumbai attack, which left more than 170 people dead, had placed India's financial capital on a list of 320 worldwide locations as potential targets for commando-style terror strikes, the Guardian has learned.

It suggests that Lashkar-e-Taiba, the outlawed terror group that planned much of the attack from Pakistan, had ambitions well beyond causing mayhem in India.

Western intelligence agencies have accessed the computer and email account of Lashkar's communications chief, Zarar Shah, and found a list of possible targets, only 20 of which were in India.

Two of the November 2008 attack's key planners – Shah and Lashkar's operations chief, Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi – are now in police custody in Pakistan.

Islamabad's decision to bring criminal charges against nine men accused of involvement in the Mumbai attack has partly placated Indian officials. But officials in New Delhi have been warning that they want to see people brought to justice for terrorist acts.

"If the west can prosecute people for crimes against humanity in The Hague or use rendition to interrogate them in undisclosed locations then what is stopping them now? After all, [western] citizens were killed in Mumbai too," an official said.

The US has been trying behind the scenes to co-ordinate intelligence exchanges between the two nuclear-armed rivals. The CIA has worked hard to be seen to help New Delhi – including by recovering phone numbers deleted by the terrorists on their satellite phones.

The fallout from Mumbai has destabilised the government of Pakistan's president, Asif Ali Zardari, which is attempting to face down Islamist groups his predecessors cultivated.

Intelligence agencies have warned that Mumbai raises the spectre of a new style of terrorist assault. The city of 19 million people was brought to a halt by 10 heavily armed gunmen rampaging through restaurants and hotels for three days.

Nine of the gunmen were killed – but the lone survivor has given Indian investigators a full confession that the assault was planned in Pakistan by Lashkar, a militant group that originally began an armed campaign against the Indian army in Kashmir.

There has been some speculation that raids in Spain which netted 12 men – an Indian and 11 Pakistanis – were a result of the investigations into Lashkar's role in the Mumbai attacks.

The dozen men were reportedly picked up for forging passports and other travel documents for terror organisations, including al-Qaida. Pakistan's government has said the Mumbai attacks were partly planned from Spain.

Analysts say the computer list is more of a statement of intent because Lashkar would need time to set up terrorist cells in so many places.

"Lashkar is an increasingly prominent terrorist group within the jihadi community but I am sceptical of it being able to act globally and extensively on its own," said Maria Kuusisto, an analyst covering Pakistan and Afghanistan for the Eurasia Group, a political consultancy in London.

Mumbai attackers had hit list of 320 world targets | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Rehmat]

The so-called "US expert" reminds me of "19 Arab hijackers - 9/11", six of whom were found alive and kicking in Saudi Arabia and "Saddam Hussain has WMDs" - which Obama's Israeli administration tends to find - hehe....

The Real Criminals Behind Mumbai Carnage

 

[Contrarian]

Ok may be a little reprioritization, but you don't change budgets to this degree out of a plan. The army getting a bigger share is because this time India wanted to go to war and the Indian Army was not ready or under equipped or not equipped as much as they wanted it to be whatever you want to call it.

I reiterate, the Army always get the lions share of the Defence Budget. Nothings new, except the increase in the overall defence budget. Thats because of a lot of acquisitions that have been planned long back but were unable to take off-eg the Artillary revamp.

And going to war or not, was not a decision taken on the base Army not having as much as they wanted. No army ever is satisfied with what that they have got. But for a war with Pakistan, it had enough. You compare in relative terms not absolute. Compared to PA and what the Army needs to fight PA, it had sufficient. War is a decision taken by the govt, not the Army.

 

[Solomon2]

Rehmat, I think you need to justify why your statements of "fact" should be treated as credible.

 

[Bull]

Hey Mods,

Those two threads which are on the Indo_pak crisis section needs to be removed from the sticky section. Since the GOP has arrested 3 from karachi, and has confusingly blamed B'deshi elements and then 'conspiracy in europe' it has been proved beyond doubt that 26//11 was REAL and not a drama as provocativly said by Pakistanis.

And the day before GEO news even showed suspected huits used be these guys.

No response at all. Atleast one of you mods can PM why no such actions are taken. The points i have raised are obvious.

 

[linkinpark]

Pakistan evasive on 'army link' to Mumbai attacks

26 Feb 2009, 1345 hrs IST, Times Now


NEW DELHI: The 11,000 page chargesheet into the 26/11 Mumbai attacks which was presented in a Mumbai court on Wednesday has thrown up some interesting findings.

Investigations have revealed that the VoIP (Voice Over Internet Protocol) calls made by the 26/11 terrorists to their handlers have been traced to a serving colonel of the Pakistani army.

However, the Pakistan army downplayed its link to the Mumbai terror carnage and said that the chargesheet filed on Wednesday is very vague on the link.

Speaking to TIMES NOW, Brigadier Azmat Ali, Pak army spokesperson said, "Chargesheet does not accurately identify armyman allegedly linked to 26/11. There are many Colonel Sadatullahs in the Pakistan army. We are trying to find out if this is true or it is all a media speculation."

Though the chargesheet filed does not spell out the Pakistan army link explicitly, it does name the officer as Colonel R Sadatullah from the SCO.

The SCO, army sources say, stands for Special Communications Organization, a telecommunications agency of the Pakistani government which is run by officers from the army's signals corps.

Another name mentioned in the chargesheet is that of `Major General sahab' whose name crops up repeatedly in the taped conversation between the terrorists and their handlers.

Pakistan evasive on 'army link' to Mumbai attacks-India-The Times of India

 

[shchinese]

we are educated people, we all want to have the full details about the attack, am I right?

then how about having a discussion on why those Muslims would like to carrier out such an attack against India? maybe because of the wide crimes against Muslims in India just like what you saw in the Slumdog Millionaire?

please don't just stop at the first half which looks in your favor, tell me the whole story and I will show you why you are the trouble maker.