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For the full article please visit:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/world/asia/08terror.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Pakistans Spies Aided Group Tied to Mumbai Siege
This article was reported by Eric Schmitt, Mark Mazzetti and Jane Perlez and written by Mr. Schmitt.
American officials say there is no hard evidence to link the spy service, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, to the Mumbai attacks. But the ISI has shared intelligence with Lashkar and provided protection for it, the officials said, and investigators are focusing on one Lashkar leader they believe is a main liaison with the spy service and a mastermind of the attacks.
Pakistani officials have denied any government connection to the siege on Nov. 26-29, in which nine gunmen and 163 other people were killed. A
Pakistani official confirmed on Sunday that security forces had initiated an operation against at least one Lashkar camp.
American and Indian officials believe that one senior Lashkar commander in particular, Zarrar Shah, is one of the groups primary liaisons to the ISI. Investigators in India are also examining whether Mr. Shah, a communications specialist, helped plan and carry out the attacks in Mumbai. Hes a central character in this plot, an American official said.
Although Pakistans government officially banned Lashkar in 2002, American officials said that the group had maintained close ties since then to the Pakistani intelligence service. American spy agencies have documented regular meetings between the ISI and Lashkar operatives, in which the two organizations have shared intelligence about Indian operations in Kashmir.
It goes beyond information sharing to include some funding and training, said an American official who follows the group closely. And these are not rogue ISI elements. Whats going on is done in a fairly disciplined way.
Eric Schmitt and Mark Mazzetti reported from Washington, and Jane Perlez from Islamabad, Pakistan. Waqar Gillani contributed reporting from Lahore, Pakistan, and Margot Williams from New York.
Pakistans Spies Aided Group Tied to Mumbai Siege
This article was reported by Eric Schmitt, Mark Mazzetti and Jane Perlez and written by Mr. Schmitt.
American officials say there is no hard evidence to link the spy service, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, to the Mumbai attacks. But the ISI has shared intelligence with Lashkar and provided protection for it, the officials said, and investigators are focusing on one Lashkar leader they believe is a main liaison with the spy service and a mastermind of the attacks.
Pakistani officials have denied any government connection to the siege on Nov. 26-29, in which nine gunmen and 163 other people were killed. A
Pakistani official confirmed on Sunday that security forces had initiated an operation against at least one Lashkar camp.
American and Indian officials believe that one senior Lashkar commander in particular, Zarrar Shah, is one of the groups primary liaisons to the ISI. Investigators in India are also examining whether Mr. Shah, a communications specialist, helped plan and carry out the attacks in Mumbai. Hes a central character in this plot, an American official said.
Although Pakistans government officially banned Lashkar in 2002, American officials said that the group had maintained close ties since then to the Pakistani intelligence service. American spy agencies have documented regular meetings between the ISI and Lashkar operatives, in which the two organizations have shared intelligence about Indian operations in Kashmir.
It goes beyond information sharing to include some funding and training, said an American official who follows the group closely. And these are not rogue ISI elements. Whats going on is done in a fairly disciplined way.
Eric Schmitt and Mark Mazzetti reported from Washington, and Jane Perlez from Islamabad, Pakistan. Waqar Gillani contributed reporting from Lahore, Pakistan, and Margot Williams from New York.
[Exerts from dawn.com dated 12/12/2008]
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Crackdown hints at Faridkot-Mumbai link
Dawn Special Report
KARACHI, Dec 11: The targeting of Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaatud Dawa and the rounding up of the activists belonging to the two jihadi organisations appear to have been triggered by information originating in India following the capture of one of the 10 men who attacked several targets in Mumbai towards the end of last month.
During the course of Dawns own investigations last week our reporters were able to locate a family who claimed to be the kin of the arrested young man in Mumbai.
The sole survivor among the 10 attackers was named as Ajmal Kasab and was supposed to belong to the village Faridkot in the Punjab. Media organisations such as the BBC and now the British newspaper Observer have done reports trying to ascertain the veracity of claims appearing in the media that the young man had a home there.
On Friday last, the BBC reported unusual activity in Faridkot near Deepalpur. A BBC correspondent located a house in the village, the then inhabitants of which carried the surname of Kasab (or Qasab as the word is often spelt here). But the residents denied any link with either Ajmal or with any Amir Kasab, the name of Ajmals father as reported by some of the media.
At the weekend, the Observer in England claimed that it had managed to locate the house everyone was looking for so desperately. Its correspondent said he had got hold of the voters roll which had the names of Amir Kasab and his wife, identified as Noor, as well as the numbers on the identity cards the couple carried.
Even though the news stories by both BBC and the Observer made a mention of the LeT, some television channels in Pakistan suggested that a connection between Mumbai and Faridkot could not be established beyond a shadow of doubt.
However, the man who said he was Amir Kasab confirmed to Dawn that the young man whose face had been beamed over the media was his son.
For the next few minutes, the fifty-something man of medium build agonized over the reality that took time sinking in, amid sobs complaining about the raw deal the fate had given him and his family.
I was in denial for the first couple of days, saying to myself it could not have been my son, he told Dawn in the courtyard of his house in Faridkot, a village of about 2,500 people just a few kilometres from Deepalpur on the way to Kasur. Now I have accepted it.
This is the truth. I have seen the picture in the newspaper. This is my son Ajmal.
Variously addressed as Azam, Iman, Kamal and Kasav, the young man, apparently in his 20s, is being kept in custody at an undisclosed place in Mumbai.
Indian media reports based on intelligence sources said the man was said to be a former Faridkot resident who left home a frustrated teenager about four years ago and went to Lahore.
After his brush with crime and criminals in Lahore, he is said to have run into and joined a religious group during a visit to Rawalpindi.
Along with others, claimed the Indian media, he was trained in fighting. And after a crash course in navigation, said Amir Kasab, a father of three sons and two daughters, Ajmal disappeared from home four years ago.
He had asked me for new clothes on Eid that I couldnt provide him. He got angry and left.
While Amir was talking, Ajmals two sisters and a younger brother were lurking about. To Amirs right, on a nearby charpoy, sat their mother, wrapped in a chador and in a world of her own. Her trance was broken as the small picture of Ajmal lying in a Mumbai hospital was shown around. They appeared to have identified their son. The mother shrunk back in her chador but the father said he had no problem in talking about the subject.
Amir Kasab said he had settled in Faridkot after arriving from the nearby Haveli Lakha many years ago. He owned the house and made his earnings by selling pakoras in the streets of the village.
He modestly pointed to a hand-cart in one corner of the courtyard. This is all I have. I shifted back to the village after doing the same job in Lahore.
My eldest son, Afzal, is also back after a stint in Lahore. He is out working in the fields.
Faridkot is far from the urbanites idea of a remote village. It is located right off a busy road and bears all the characteristics of a lower-middle class locality in a big city.
It has two middle-level schools, one for girls and the other for boys which Ajmal attended as a young boy. For higher standards, the students have to enroll in schools in Deepalpur which is not as far off as the word remote tends to indicate.
It by no means qualifies as Punjabs backwaters, which makes the young Ajmals graduation to an international fearmonger even more difficult to understand. The area can do with cleaner streets and a better sewage system but the brick houses towards the side of the Kasur-Deepalpur road have a more organised look to them than is the case with most Pakistani villages.
The Observer newspaper reports that some locals seeking anonymity say the area is a hunting ground for the recruiters of LeT and provides the organisation with rich pickings.
The approach to Faridkot also points to at least some opportunities for those looking for a job. There are some factories in the surroundings, rice mills et al, interspersed with fertile land. But for the gravity of the situation, with its mellowed and welcoming ambience, the picture could be serene.
It is not and Amir Kasab repeats how little role he has had in the scheme since the day his son walked out on him. He calls the people who snatched Ajmal from him his enemies but has no clue who these enemies are. Asked why he didnt look for his son all this while, he counters: What could I do with the few resources that I had?
Otherwise quite forthcoming in his answers, Amir Kasab, a mild-mannered soul, is a bit agitated at the mention of the link between his sons actions and money. Indian media has claimed that Ajmals handlers had promised him that his family will be compensated with Rs150,000 (one and a half lakh) after the completion of the Mumbai mission.
I dont sell my sons, he retorts.
Journalists visiting Faridkot since Dawn reporters were at the village say the family has moved from their home and some relatives now live in the house. Perhaps fearing a media invasion, nobody is willing to say where the family has gone.
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Epilogue:
At least now let us accept the fact that this zaid hamid guy is full of bullshit. Tough I am saddened by the fact that there are so many people who believe his words. It is important for us to be critical of any media reports, Indian or Pakistani. I recommend going through news reports from different countries get a realistic perspective. Google news could help one here.
But I must admit, I am impressed by the imagination power of zaid hamid. He is one of the greatest entertainers and I am becoming a big fan of this person.
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Crackdown hints at Faridkot-Mumbai link
Dawn Special Report
KARACHI, Dec 11: The targeting of Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaatud Dawa and the rounding up of the activists belonging to the two jihadi organisations appear to have been triggered by information originating in India following the capture of one of the 10 men who attacked several targets in Mumbai towards the end of last month.
During the course of Dawns own investigations last week our reporters were able to locate a family who claimed to be the kin of the arrested young man in Mumbai.
The sole survivor among the 10 attackers was named as Ajmal Kasab and was supposed to belong to the village Faridkot in the Punjab. Media organisations such as the BBC and now the British newspaper Observer have done reports trying to ascertain the veracity of claims appearing in the media that the young man had a home there.
On Friday last, the BBC reported unusual activity in Faridkot near Deepalpur. A BBC correspondent located a house in the village, the then inhabitants of which carried the surname of Kasab (or Qasab as the word is often spelt here). But the residents denied any link with either Ajmal or with any Amir Kasab, the name of Ajmals father as reported by some of the media.
At the weekend, the Observer in England claimed that it had managed to locate the house everyone was looking for so desperately. Its correspondent said he had got hold of the voters roll which had the names of Amir Kasab and his wife, identified as Noor, as well as the numbers on the identity cards the couple carried.
Even though the news stories by both BBC and the Observer made a mention of the LeT, some television channels in Pakistan suggested that a connection between Mumbai and Faridkot could not be established beyond a shadow of doubt.
However, the man who said he was Amir Kasab confirmed to Dawn that the young man whose face had been beamed over the media was his son.
For the next few minutes, the fifty-something man of medium build agonized over the reality that took time sinking in, amid sobs complaining about the raw deal the fate had given him and his family.
I was in denial for the first couple of days, saying to myself it could not have been my son, he told Dawn in the courtyard of his house in Faridkot, a village of about 2,500 people just a few kilometres from Deepalpur on the way to Kasur. Now I have accepted it.
This is the truth. I have seen the picture in the newspaper. This is my son Ajmal.
Variously addressed as Azam, Iman, Kamal and Kasav, the young man, apparently in his 20s, is being kept in custody at an undisclosed place in Mumbai.
Indian media reports based on intelligence sources said the man was said to be a former Faridkot resident who left home a frustrated teenager about four years ago and went to Lahore.
After his brush with crime and criminals in Lahore, he is said to have run into and joined a religious group during a visit to Rawalpindi.
Along with others, claimed the Indian media, he was trained in fighting. And after a crash course in navigation, said Amir Kasab, a father of three sons and two daughters, Ajmal disappeared from home four years ago.
He had asked me for new clothes on Eid that I couldnt provide him. He got angry and left.
While Amir was talking, Ajmals two sisters and a younger brother were lurking about. To Amirs right, on a nearby charpoy, sat their mother, wrapped in a chador and in a world of her own. Her trance was broken as the small picture of Ajmal lying in a Mumbai hospital was shown around. They appeared to have identified their son. The mother shrunk back in her chador but the father said he had no problem in talking about the subject.
Amir Kasab said he had settled in Faridkot after arriving from the nearby Haveli Lakha many years ago. He owned the house and made his earnings by selling pakoras in the streets of the village.
He modestly pointed to a hand-cart in one corner of the courtyard. This is all I have. I shifted back to the village after doing the same job in Lahore.
My eldest son, Afzal, is also back after a stint in Lahore. He is out working in the fields.
Faridkot is far from the urbanites idea of a remote village. It is located right off a busy road and bears all the characteristics of a lower-middle class locality in a big city.
It has two middle-level schools, one for girls and the other for boys which Ajmal attended as a young boy. For higher standards, the students have to enroll in schools in Deepalpur which is not as far off as the word remote tends to indicate.
It by no means qualifies as Punjabs backwaters, which makes the young Ajmals graduation to an international fearmonger even more difficult to understand. The area can do with cleaner streets and a better sewage system but the brick houses towards the side of the Kasur-Deepalpur road have a more organised look to them than is the case with most Pakistani villages.
The Observer newspaper reports that some locals seeking anonymity say the area is a hunting ground for the recruiters of LeT and provides the organisation with rich pickings.
The approach to Faridkot also points to at least some opportunities for those looking for a job. There are some factories in the surroundings, rice mills et al, interspersed with fertile land. But for the gravity of the situation, with its mellowed and welcoming ambience, the picture could be serene.
It is not and Amir Kasab repeats how little role he has had in the scheme since the day his son walked out on him. He calls the people who snatched Ajmal from him his enemies but has no clue who these enemies are. Asked why he didnt look for his son all this while, he counters: What could I do with the few resources that I had?
Otherwise quite forthcoming in his answers, Amir Kasab, a mild-mannered soul, is a bit agitated at the mention of the link between his sons actions and money. Indian media has claimed that Ajmals handlers had promised him that his family will be compensated with Rs150,000 (one and a half lakh) after the completion of the Mumbai mission.
I dont sell my sons, he retorts.
Journalists visiting Faridkot since Dawn reporters were at the village say the family has moved from their home and some relatives now live in the house. Perhaps fearing a media invasion, nobody is willing to say where the family has gone.
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Epilogue:
At least now let us accept the fact that this zaid hamid guy is full of bullshit. Tough I am saddened by the fact that there are so many people who believe his words. It is important for us to be critical of any media reports, Indian or Pakistani. I recommend going through news reports from different countries get a realistic perspective. Google news could help one here.
But I must admit, I am impressed by the imagination power of zaid hamid. He is one of the greatest entertainers and I am becoming a big fan of this person.
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Friday December 12, 2008 (1641 PST)
The Mumbai Massacre : Who? How? Why?
« India has suffered a series of terror attacks in recent months but last night`s massacre with a combination of grenades and automatic weapons marks a new and deadly milestone in its continuing battle against extremists. Most of the attacks have been blamed on extremist Muslim groups but, in recent weeks, police have rounded up 10 members of what they say is its first Hindu terror cell. », The Independent, Andrew Buncombe in Delhi, Thursday, 27th November 2008.
« With a traumatized nation and a paralyzed government, a core group of secular right-wing ideologues and Hindu nationalists are executing a soft coup in New Delhi to bring to power hawks who want to pursue Americas agenda of grooming India as a regional policeman, sort out Pakistan and confront China. India will self-destroy in the process. Indias military and intelligence has been penetrated. The man who uncovered the plot, Hemant Karkare, the antiterrorism chief of Mumbai police, was the first target of the mysterious terrorists. Patriotic Indians need to wake up and save their country. » Ahmad Quraishi, Saturday, 29 November 2008.
Acts of terror
There is no agreed definition of terrorism, but, according to the CIA, terrorism is the « premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. » According to former US Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, his country (the USA) is « the greatest purveyor of violence in the world ». That same country finances the worse kind of terrorist acts, the extermination of a large part of the population in Palestine as well as carries out acts of barbarity against defenceless citizens in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The US officially has the greatest army of mercenaries in the world, Blackwater, with 140,000 contractors.
In recent history, people have witnessed terror against Native Americans, Aborigines, Maoris, Vietnamese, Indians of the sub-continent, Algerians and more. While the lands of the Aborigines, Maoris and Native Americans have been stolen, India became independent at the cost of partition giving birth to Pakistan and Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan). But the world is still witnessing European terror through invasion of sovereign countries, such as Iraq and Afghanistan, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of their people. The terrorist occupation of Palestine by Jewish Europeans, the killings of her people, including women, children and babies have been going on for half a century !
For her part, India is still occupying Kashmir, which was part of Moghal Hindustan, against the will of the Kashmiris, and committing unspeakable acts of terror against them. It is also a common practice for States which perpetrate and sponsor acts of terrorism to organise false flag operations against their own people and allies in order to blame the enemies and rally support for their cause. Often, they are caught but they are above the law. For example, members of the Irgun Jewish terrorist movement dressed up as Palestinian army officers attacked the British HQ at King David Hotel in 1946 Palestine. During the six-day war in 1967, the Israelis attacked USS Liberty and murdered many US non-combatants in an attempt to blame it on Egypt and suck the Americans into the war. (Ref. Phil Tourney, survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty). Apart from the official conspiracy theories, it has been demonstrated that the 9/11 terror attacks against the World Trade Centre (WTC) and the Pentagon in 2001 were an inside job with Israeli involvement. In January 2000, Indian intelligence detained 11 Muslim preachers on the ground of hijacking conspiracy, but they turned out to be Israeli nationals sent with false passports to infiltrate Muslim organisations in India and were released. Similarly, the five dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11 « as suspected conspirators » when they were celebrating the attacks against the WTC were all released. [Ref. The Record, New Jersey, 12 Sept 2001]. On 13 Sept 01, The New York Times reported that the group of five men (who turned out to be MOSSAD agents) had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack.
The recent terror attacks against the Marriott Hotel in Pakistan on 20 Sept 2008 had the hallmark of a military operation and not that of Muslim terrorists! Similarly, the well planned and sophisticated attacks in Mumbai on 26/11 by attackers against various targets, including the Taj Mahal and Oberoi Hotels, killing around 200 people have immediately been blamed on Pakistan, Al-Qaeda and British Muslims. The Indian authorities say there were 12 such attackers, but many others escaped.
There is no denying that the United States and Israel have been grooming India to become a regional superpower for their benefits. In so doing, they have to persuade India that she is a victim of terror herself, especially from her enemies in Pakistan, occupied Kashmir and Muslim extremists within India proper.
Lal Krishna Advani, former Deputy Prime Minister of India [2002-2004], former President of the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), strong advocate of Hindutva (Hindu nationalism) and current Leader of the Opposition, met the heads of the MOSSAD when he visited Israel in June 2000 and advocated closer India-Israeli cooperation on all security matters. [Note : Israelis were responsible of security during both the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks!]. In the same year, The Times of India reported on the Israeli presence in India : « Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi`s security needs. The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official. » India has forged a strategic alliance with Israel to perfect India s methods of occupation of Kashmir where all Indian atrocities, mass graves of Kashmiris, shootings of civilians, rape and human rights abuses are brushed under the carpet like the atrocities perpetrated against Palestinians.
Indias responsibility
The US have allowed India to set up military training camps in Afghanistan, and they are training, arming and financing rebels who are being sent to Pakistan to destabilise the government. The MOSSAD, Hamid Karzai and India are fuelling ethnic insurgency in South West Pakistan where China is building a strategic port. In addition, with her nuclear and military deals with the US and the launching of an Israeli satellite as the MOSSAD increases its control of India, India seems to pay lip service to her diverse peoples with a high risk of further partitions of India. Remember, it was India which financed and armed East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) to breakaway from then West Pakistan. She also boasted the sinking of alleged pirate ships within Somali coastal waters (19 Nov 08) to help the US and pro-US Saudis. Given Indias behaviour, she should have been better prepared to prevent and deal with such attacks and not leave her people and visitors open to such risks. In this light, the Indian Home Minister Shivraj Patil and National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan have submitted their resignations (Sunday, 30 Nov 08)
The blame game
The first reaction of the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was to blame Pakistan. But witnesses suggested that the attackers « are probably members of an Indian militant group rather than foreigners » (The Independent, 27 Nov 08). It is also reported that the attacks were claimed by an unknown group called « Deccan Mujahideen » and the « Indian Mujahideen » from South India and trained in Bangladesh. Other suspects are a Kashmiri freedom group called Lashkar-e-Taiba held responsible for the bomb attacks on trains in 2006 and, of course, Al-Qaida which, apart from being a CIA-MOSSAD database, is a non-existant organisation. The Indian government asserted that some of the attackers were British-born Pakistanis from Leeds, Bradford and Hartlepool. It was also alleged that some have Malaysian and Mauritian links.
But, in spite of pointing his finger at Pakistan, in a telephone conversation with Pakistan PM Yousuf Raza Gilani on 28 Nov 08 PM Manmohan Singh urged Gilani to send his spy chief to share intelligence over the Mumbai attack. Pakistan has agreed to send a senior official to India. It does seem very strange that, even though there may be Pakistanis among the attackers, Pakistan would be responsible for such an attack after President Asif Ali Zardari recently told the Indian government that Pakistan would not be the one to resort to first use of nuclear weapons, an announcement welcomed by India. It seems more likely to be the work of external forces, with internal complicity, which do not want peace between those two sister countries and sister communities. The plan is clearly to provoke a war between India and Pakistan as Pakistanis want to detach themselves from US murdering ventures.
Hindutva
As reported by Andrew Buncombe in Delhi, The Independent Thursday, 27th November 2008, « most of the attacks have been blamed on extremist Muslim groups but, in recent weeks, police have rounded up 10 members of what they say is its first Hindu terror cell ». In early November 2008, the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS), headed by Hemant Karkare, arrested 10 Hindutva extremists, including Dayanand Pandey (a prominent religious leader of Uttar Pradesh) belonging to Sangh Parivar, an umbrella organisation comprising the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Bajrang Dal, and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, in connection with the 8 Sept 2006 Malegaon bomb blasts in a Muslim cemetery in Maharashtra killing dozens of Muslim pilgrims and injuring scores more. The ATS investigation has uncovered connections with the Israeli MOSSAD whose Indian home-grown agents have infiltrated many Hindu organisations in India, as well as connections between the Indian military and Hindu extremist groups. In the very early hours of the Mumbai attack on 26/11, the unknown terrorists eliminated Hemant Karare, Head of the ATS, along with Mumbai`s additional commissioner of police Ashok Kamte and high-level police officer Vijay Salaskar, The Times Of India reported. The killers must have had inside information as Indian security services have been infiltrated. One of the unknown terrorist caught on CCTV camera at the Chattrapati Shivaji railway station wore a sacred Hindu wristband. The victims included Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, Indians, Britons, Americans and a Mauritian.
Conclusion
India has the strength to overcome this trauma. She must and she will take all necessary measures to prevent such carnage happening again on Indian soil and make all efforts to live in peace with her neighbours and resolve the issue of Kashmir peacefully. At the same time, India must look at the underlying causes of this serious problem and review her association with the perpetrators of terror and occupation around the world as well as the infiltration of terrorists into local organisations and her security services. India must return to her non-aligned philosophy, demand the removal of all terrorist occupiers from nearby countries and the closing of the terror base at Diego Garcia Mauritius. India must understand that she does not form part of the European West which is in quest of hegemony and world domination. If India allows herself to be recruited into this Axis of Evil, the destruction and further partitions of India seem inevitable. Indias security arrangements with Israel and the US may well be the source of her problems as they do not serve Indian interests.
Friday December 12, 2008 (1641 PST)
The Mumbai Massacre : Who? How? Why?
« India has suffered a series of terror attacks in recent months but last night`s massacre with a combination of grenades and automatic weapons marks a new and deadly milestone in its continuing battle against extremists. Most of the attacks have been blamed on extremist Muslim groups but, in recent weeks, police have rounded up 10 members of what they say is its first Hindu terror cell. », The Independent, Andrew Buncombe in Delhi, Thursday, 27th November 2008.
« With a traumatized nation and a paralyzed government, a core group of secular right-wing ideologues and Hindu nationalists are executing a soft coup in New Delhi to bring to power hawks who want to pursue Americas agenda of grooming India as a regional policeman, sort out Pakistan and confront China. India will self-destroy in the process. Indias military and intelligence has been penetrated. The man who uncovered the plot, Hemant Karkare, the antiterrorism chief of Mumbai police, was the first target of the mysterious terrorists. Patriotic Indians need to wake up and save their country. » Ahmad Quraishi, Saturday, 29 November 2008.
Acts of terror
There is no agreed definition of terrorism, but, according to the CIA, terrorism is the « premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. » According to former US Attorney General, Ramsey Clark, his country (the USA) is « the greatest purveyor of violence in the world ». That same country finances the worse kind of terrorist acts, the extermination of a large part of the population in Palestine as well as carries out acts of barbarity against defenceless citizens in both Afghanistan and Iraq. The US officially has the greatest army of mercenaries in the world, Blackwater, with 140,000 contractors.
In recent history, people have witnessed terror against Native Americans, Aborigines, Maoris, Vietnamese, Indians of the sub-continent, Algerians and more. While the lands of the Aborigines, Maoris and Native Americans have been stolen, India became independent at the cost of partition giving birth to Pakistan and Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan). But the world is still witnessing European terror through invasion of sovereign countries, such as Iraq and Afghanistan, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of their people. The terrorist occupation of Palestine by Jewish Europeans, the killings of her people, including women, children and babies have been going on for half a century !
For her part, India is still occupying Kashmir, which was part of Moghal Hindustan, against the will of the Kashmiris, and committing unspeakable acts of terror against them. It is also a common practice for States which perpetrate and sponsor acts of terrorism to organise false flag operations against their own people and allies in order to blame the enemies and rally support for their cause. Often, they are caught but they are above the law. For example, members of the Irgun Jewish terrorist movement dressed up as Palestinian army officers attacked the British HQ at King David Hotel in 1946 Palestine. During the six-day war in 1967, the Israelis attacked USS Liberty and murdered many US non-combatants in an attempt to blame it on Egypt and suck the Americans into the war. (Ref. Phil Tourney, survivor of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty). Apart from the official conspiracy theories, it has been demonstrated that the 9/11 terror attacks against the World Trade Centre (WTC) and the Pentagon in 2001 were an inside job with Israeli involvement. In January 2000, Indian intelligence detained 11 Muslim preachers on the ground of hijacking conspiracy, but they turned out to be Israeli nationals sent with false passports to infiltrate Muslim organisations in India and were released. Similarly, the five dancing Israelis arrested on 9/11 « as suspected conspirators » when they were celebrating the attacks against the WTC were all released. [Ref. The Record, New Jersey, 12 Sept 2001]. On 13 Sept 01, The New York Times reported that the group of five men (who turned out to be MOSSAD agents) had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack.
The recent terror attacks against the Marriott Hotel in Pakistan on 20 Sept 2008 had the hallmark of a military operation and not that of Muslim terrorists! Similarly, the well planned and sophisticated attacks in Mumbai on 26/11 by attackers against various targets, including the Taj Mahal and Oberoi Hotels, killing around 200 people have immediately been blamed on Pakistan, Al-Qaeda and British Muslims. The Indian authorities say there were 12 such attackers, but many others escaped.
There is no denying that the United States and Israel have been grooming India to become a regional superpower for their benefits. In so doing, they have to persuade India that she is a victim of terror herself, especially from her enemies in Pakistan, occupied Kashmir and Muslim extremists within India proper.
Lal Krishna Advani, former Deputy Prime Minister of India [2002-2004], former President of the nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), strong advocate of Hindutva (Hindu nationalism) and current Leader of the Opposition, met the heads of the MOSSAD when he visited Israel in June 2000 and advocated closer India-Israeli cooperation on all security matters. [Note : Israelis were responsible of security during both the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks!]. In the same year, The Times of India reported on the Israeli presence in India : « Israeli counter-terrorism experts are now touring Jammu and Kashmir and several other states in India at the invitation of Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani to make an assessment of New Delhi`s security needs. The Israeli team, headed by Eli Katzir of the Israel Counter-Terrorism Combat Unit, includes Israeli military intelligence officials and a senior police official. » India has forged a strategic alliance with Israel to perfect India s methods of occupation of Kashmir where all Indian atrocities, mass graves of Kashmiris, shootings of civilians, rape and human rights abuses are brushed under the carpet like the atrocities perpetrated against Palestinians.
Indias responsibility
The US have allowed India to set up military training camps in Afghanistan, and they are training, arming and financing rebels who are being sent to Pakistan to destabilise the government. The MOSSAD, Hamid Karzai and India are fuelling ethnic insurgency in South West Pakistan where China is building a strategic port. In addition, with her nuclear and military deals with the US and the launching of an Israeli satellite as the MOSSAD increases its control of India, India seems to pay lip service to her diverse peoples with a high risk of further partitions of India. Remember, it was India which financed and armed East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) to breakaway from then West Pakistan. She also boasted the sinking of alleged pirate ships within Somali coastal waters (19 Nov 08) to help the US and pro-US Saudis. Given Indias behaviour, she should have been better prepared to prevent and deal with such attacks and not leave her people and visitors open to such risks. In this light, the Indian Home Minister Shivraj Patil and National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan have submitted their resignations (Sunday, 30 Nov 08)
The blame game
The first reaction of the Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was to blame Pakistan. But witnesses suggested that the attackers « are probably members of an Indian militant group rather than foreigners » (The Independent, 27 Nov 08). It is also reported that the attacks were claimed by an unknown group called « Deccan Mujahideen » and the « Indian Mujahideen » from South India and trained in Bangladesh. Other suspects are a Kashmiri freedom group called Lashkar-e-Taiba held responsible for the bomb attacks on trains in 2006 and, of course, Al-Qaida which, apart from being a CIA-MOSSAD database, is a non-existant organisation. The Indian government asserted that some of the attackers were British-born Pakistanis from Leeds, Bradford and Hartlepool. It was also alleged that some have Malaysian and Mauritian links.
But, in spite of pointing his finger at Pakistan, in a telephone conversation with Pakistan PM Yousuf Raza Gilani on 28 Nov 08 PM Manmohan Singh urged Gilani to send his spy chief to share intelligence over the Mumbai attack. Pakistan has agreed to send a senior official to India. It does seem very strange that, even though there may be Pakistanis among the attackers, Pakistan would be responsible for such an attack after President Asif Ali Zardari recently told the Indian government that Pakistan would not be the one to resort to first use of nuclear weapons, an announcement welcomed by India. It seems more likely to be the work of external forces, with internal complicity, which do not want peace between those two sister countries and sister communities. The plan is clearly to provoke a war between India and Pakistan as Pakistanis want to detach themselves from US murdering ventures.
Hindutva
As reported by Andrew Buncombe in Delhi, The Independent Thursday, 27th November 2008, « most of the attacks have been blamed on extremist Muslim groups but, in recent weeks, police have rounded up 10 members of what they say is its first Hindu terror cell ». In early November 2008, the Mumbai Anti Terrorist Squad (ATS), headed by Hemant Karkare, arrested 10 Hindutva extremists, including Dayanand Pandey (a prominent religious leader of Uttar Pradesh) belonging to Sangh Parivar, an umbrella organisation comprising the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), Bajrang Dal, and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, in connection with the 8 Sept 2006 Malegaon bomb blasts in a Muslim cemetery in Maharashtra killing dozens of Muslim pilgrims and injuring scores more. The ATS investigation has uncovered connections with the Israeli MOSSAD whose Indian home-grown agents have infiltrated many Hindu organisations in India, as well as connections between the Indian military and Hindu extremist groups. In the very early hours of the Mumbai attack on 26/11, the unknown terrorists eliminated Hemant Karare, Head of the ATS, along with Mumbai`s additional commissioner of police Ashok Kamte and high-level police officer Vijay Salaskar, The Times Of India reported. The killers must have had inside information as Indian security services have been infiltrated. One of the unknown terrorist caught on CCTV camera at the Chattrapati Shivaji railway station wore a sacred Hindu wristband. The victims included Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, Indians, Britons, Americans and a Mauritian.
Conclusion
India has the strength to overcome this trauma. She must and she will take all necessary measures to prevent such carnage happening again on Indian soil and make all efforts to live in peace with her neighbours and resolve the issue of Kashmir peacefully. At the same time, India must look at the underlying causes of this serious problem and review her association with the perpetrators of terror and occupation around the world as well as the infiltration of terrorists into local organisations and her security services. India must return to her non-aligned philosophy, demand the removal of all terrorist occupiers from nearby countries and the closing of the terror base at Diego Garcia Mauritius. India must understand that she does not form part of the European West which is in quest of hegemony and world domination. If India allows herself to be recruited into this Axis of Evil, the destruction and further partitions of India seem inevitable. Indias security arrangements with Israel and the US may well be the source of her problems as they do not serve Indian interests.
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@ Cortez
i find you far more entertaining.
and May God give Zaid Hamid the strength to keep on doing what he,s doing and never give up.
For the first time someone has told the Pakistani people about Christian, jew and Hindu zionists and their evil plans.
i find you far more entertaining.
and May God give Zaid Hamid the strength to keep on doing what he,s doing and never give up.
For the first time someone has told the Pakistani people about Christian, jew and Hindu zionists and their evil plans.
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and post these things on your stupid Indian defence forums, This is Pakistan defence forum
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Why its the ISI every time, It looks like ISI is larger than Life and PAK Army is not controlling the ISI on the contrary ISI is controlling PAK Army and Pakistan which is absolutely incorrect, ISI is under full control of the PAK Army and PAK Army is under full control of the civilian Govt.
MOSSAD, CIA, and RAW are trying their Level best to find a link between The terrorists and ISI so that ISI should also be Banned like JUD but it wont happen as you said as
ISI is the First Line of Defence for Pakistan and the enemies want to overcome this first BIG hurdle, A Great Pain in their ***.
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Perfect Quote for the unreasonable Indians
Never reason with an unreasonable man , he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Never reason with an unreasonable man , he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Echo, you echoed right.
However Never believe China & US, after all US wants a presence in Asia, and China is afraid of being exposed to its enemy
Ultimately, India & Pakistan whoever is the weaker will fall prey to either one of these ....
So better resolve within neighbors than inviting foreigneers
However Never believe China & US, after all US wants a presence in Asia, and China is afraid of being exposed to its enemy
Ultimately, India & Pakistan whoever is the weaker will fall prey to either one of these ....
So better resolve within neighbors than inviting foreigneers
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Kashmiri views on militant group
The Kashmiri militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba is accused of links to attacks last month in the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) which left at least 170 people dead. Two BBC correspondents on either side of the Line of Control which divides the disputed territory find out what people think about the group and its activities.
ALTAF HUSSAIN, SRINAGAR, INDIAN-ADMINISTERED KASHMIR
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) is a Pakistan-based militant group.
It joined the armed resistance against Indian rule in Kashmir in the early 1990s.
However, it gained prominence when it introduced "fidayeen" attacks in the predominantly Muslim Kashmir Valley about a decade ago.
A "fidayeen" attack is different from a suicide attack in as much as the attacker has a chance of coming back alive.
The LeT has carried out a number of audacious attacks on Indian military installations in the state.
It was responsible for the attack on Delhi's Red Fort in 2000 and blamed for an attack on the Indian parliament the following year.
Analyst Tahir Mohiuddin says the Mumbai attacks do not have the imprint of the LeT. While he does not rule out their involvement, he says there is a lot of confusion.
"There have been reports that the attackers in Mumbai looked for American and British nationals besides Jews.
"This has not been the agenda of the LeT. For that matter they have dissociated themselves from the conflict between the government forces and the Taleban in north-western Pakistan," he said.
Ordinary people in Kashmir have expressed deep shock over the Mumbai attacks but they have diverse views as to who did it.
"Whatever happened in Mumbai was wrong. Innocent people have been killed. They were human beings like us," Mushtaq Ahmed, a government employee, said.
Adnan, a student, said that "many lives were lost and it should not have happened". He is worried that now Kashmiris staying in other states in India will be harassed.
"They will be labelled as militants. Those living as tenants will be subject to frequent investigations."
Javed Ahmed, a labourer, said that the Mumbai attacks could be the "handiwork of a hardline Hindu organisation".
He says there should be a thorough probe before anyone is blamed.
Noor-ul-Sajad, a lawyer, said the attacks might have been masterminded by political parties ahead of forthcoming elections in India.
While views on who did it differ, there is general concern among Kashmiri people over the adverse impact the Mumbai attacks have had on relations between India and Pakistan.
Many fear an outbreak of war.
Others say that even if war is averted, the deterioration of relations between the two countries will badly impact on the process of dialogue to resolve the Kashmir dispute.
"The two neighbours were drawing closer but now they are again drifting apart," Noor-ul-Sajad said.
The editor of the leading newspaper, the Daily Etilaat, Khurshid Wani, says that "any souring of relations between the two countries will have a direct bearing on Kashmir - it will bring the ongoing dialogue process to a complete halt or at least slow it down".
Even the hardline separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani has, while lamenting "the carnage" in Mumbai, warned that war between the two neighbours would be a disaster for both.
People living in border areas in Kashmir are also worried that a renewed exchange of firing between the two armies across the Line of Control would make life hell for them again.
They have enjoyed a relatively peaceful life since India and Pakistan declared a ceasefire five years ago and now all that looks to be in jeopardy.
ZULFIQAR ALI, MUZAFFARABAD, PAKISTANI-ADMINISTERED KASHMIR
People here have also condemned the Mumbai attacks - but many remain to be convinced that Lashkar-e-Taiba was behind it.
Sarfraz Mir - a doctor - described what happened as "an abominable act". But he cautioned that action against Lashkar by the Pakistani authorities without any evidence would also be an outrage.
"I just can pray that both governments can stop the blame game and continue talking to each other and find solutions to the issues between them once and for all," he said.
A teacher, Nazneen, described the attacks as "shocking".
"We condemn such attacks - innocent people died. But Indian accusations that Lashkar-e-Taiba was involved are not convincing," she said.
"We wonder as to how they reached hotels and how they brought weapons inside the hotel in the face of heavy security? Where were the Indian intelligence agencies?
"If anything happens anywhere in the world Muslims are always blamed."
Many like Nazneen feel that the Pakistani government should have not acted against Lashkar under pressure from the Indian or American governments.
They feel that it is giving the impression that it too acknowledges that Lashkar was involved in the attacks.
"If the government wanted to crack down against the militants groups it should have done so before," Nazneen said.
Businessman Shajah Ahmed argues that the Indian government has provided no evidence for its claims over Mumbai.
"Lashkar's role in Kashmir is commendable; their Pakistani fighters gave their lives for the people of Kashmir; they fought alongside Kashmiri brothers", he said.
"But war and guns are no solution to the issues we face here and India and Pakistan should resolve the Kashmir issue through peaceful means," he added.
Like other members of the public, journalist Malick Tahir unstintingly condemns what happened in Mumbai.
"We don't know who the attackers were and what were their motives but one thing is clear - they are friends to none - India ,Pakistan or Kashmiris," he said.
"We pray that sense prevails between India and Pakistan and they don't let the attackers hijack the entire peace process.
"It would be a victory for the 95% of people who want peace in the region."
Abdul Waseen, who runs a private school in the Neelum Valley border district, said that if there was any evidence involving Lashkar-e-Taiba they should be banned and their people arrested.
"But in the longer term this is not the way to deal with militancy in Pakistan. For these people their livelihood depends on militancy," he said.
"They should be provided with alternate employment or other means of rehabilitation. This is a difficult task but this is the only solution - otherwise they will keep returning to militancy."
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Kashmiri views on militant group
The Kashmiri militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba is accused of links to attacks last month in the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) which left at least 170 people dead. Two BBC correspondents on either side of the Line of Control which divides the disputed territory find out what people think about the group and its activities.
ALTAF HUSSAIN, SRINAGAR, INDIAN-ADMINISTERED KASHMIR
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) is a Pakistan-based militant group.
It joined the armed resistance against Indian rule in Kashmir in the early 1990s.
However, it gained prominence when it introduced "fidayeen" attacks in the predominantly Muslim Kashmir Valley about a decade ago.
A "fidayeen" attack is different from a suicide attack in as much as the attacker has a chance of coming back alive.
The LeT has carried out a number of audacious attacks on Indian military installations in the state.
It was responsible for the attack on Delhi's Red Fort in 2000 and blamed for an attack on the Indian parliament the following year.
Analyst Tahir Mohiuddin says the Mumbai attacks do not have the imprint of the LeT. While he does not rule out their involvement, he says there is a lot of confusion.
"There have been reports that the attackers in Mumbai looked for American and British nationals besides Jews.
"This has not been the agenda of the LeT. For that matter they have dissociated themselves from the conflict between the government forces and the Taleban in north-western Pakistan," he said.
Ordinary people in Kashmir have expressed deep shock over the Mumbai attacks but they have diverse views as to who did it.
"Whatever happened in Mumbai was wrong. Innocent people have been killed. They were human beings like us," Mushtaq Ahmed, a government employee, said.
Adnan, a student, said that "many lives were lost and it should not have happened". He is worried that now Kashmiris staying in other states in India will be harassed.
"They will be labelled as militants. Those living as tenants will be subject to frequent investigations."
Javed Ahmed, a labourer, said that the Mumbai attacks could be the "handiwork of a hardline Hindu organisation".
He says there should be a thorough probe before anyone is blamed.
Noor-ul-Sajad, a lawyer, said the attacks might have been masterminded by political parties ahead of forthcoming elections in India.
While views on who did it differ, there is general concern among Kashmiri people over the adverse impact the Mumbai attacks have had on relations between India and Pakistan.
Many fear an outbreak of war.
Others say that even if war is averted, the deterioration of relations between the two countries will badly impact on the process of dialogue to resolve the Kashmir dispute.
"The two neighbours were drawing closer but now they are again drifting apart," Noor-ul-Sajad said.
The editor of the leading newspaper, the Daily Etilaat, Khurshid Wani, says that "any souring of relations between the two countries will have a direct bearing on Kashmir - it will bring the ongoing dialogue process to a complete halt or at least slow it down".
Even the hardline separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani has, while lamenting "the carnage" in Mumbai, warned that war between the two neighbours would be a disaster for both.
People living in border areas in Kashmir are also worried that a renewed exchange of firing between the two armies across the Line of Control would make life hell for them again.
They have enjoyed a relatively peaceful life since India and Pakistan declared a ceasefire five years ago and now all that looks to be in jeopardy.
ZULFIQAR ALI, MUZAFFARABAD, PAKISTANI-ADMINISTERED KASHMIR
People here have also condemned the Mumbai attacks - but many remain to be convinced that Lashkar-e-Taiba was behind it.
Sarfraz Mir - a doctor - described what happened as "an abominable act". But he cautioned that action against Lashkar by the Pakistani authorities without any evidence would also be an outrage.
"I just can pray that both governments can stop the blame game and continue talking to each other and find solutions to the issues between them once and for all," he said.
A teacher, Nazneen, described the attacks as "shocking".
"We condemn such attacks - innocent people died. But Indian accusations that Lashkar-e-Taiba was involved are not convincing," she said.
"We wonder as to how they reached hotels and how they brought weapons inside the hotel in the face of heavy security? Where were the Indian intelligence agencies?
"If anything happens anywhere in the world Muslims are always blamed."
Many like Nazneen feel that the Pakistani government should have not acted against Lashkar under pressure from the Indian or American governments.
They feel that it is giving the impression that it too acknowledges that Lashkar was involved in the attacks.
"If the government wanted to crack down against the militants groups it should have done so before," Nazneen said.
Businessman Shajah Ahmed argues that the Indian government has provided no evidence for its claims over Mumbai.
"Lashkar's role in Kashmir is commendable; their Pakistani fighters gave their lives for the people of Kashmir; they fought alongside Kashmiri brothers", he said.
"But war and guns are no solution to the issues we face here and India and Pakistan should resolve the Kashmir issue through peaceful means," he added.
Like other members of the public, journalist Malick Tahir unstintingly condemns what happened in Mumbai.
"We don't know who the attackers were and what were their motives but one thing is clear - they are friends to none - India ,Pakistan or Kashmiris," he said.
"We pray that sense prevails between India and Pakistan and they don't let the attackers hijack the entire peace process.
"It would be a victory for the 95% of people who want peace in the region."
Abdul Waseen, who runs a private school in the Neelum Valley border district, said that if there was any evidence involving Lashkar-e-Taiba they should be banned and their people arrested.
"But in the longer term this is not the way to deal with militancy in Pakistan. For these people their livelihood depends on militancy," he said.
"They should be provided with alternate employment or other means of rehabilitation. This is a difficult task but this is the only solution - otherwise they will keep returning to militancy."
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Kashmiri views on militant group
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He is my son, admits father of lone gunman arrested in Mumbai
Though Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaat-ud-Dawa
> may disown him, the father of the lone Pakistani gunman
> arrested for the Mumbai terror attacks has admitted that the
> young man whose picture was beamed by media across the
> world, is his son.
> Amir Kasab, the father of Ajmal Amir Iman alias Ajmal Kasab,
> broke down as he made the admission to the influential Dawn
> newspaper in the courtyard of his house in Faridkot, a village
> of about 2,500 people in Okara district of Punjab province.
> "I was in denial for the first couple of days, saying to myself
> it could not have been my son... Now I have accepted it.
> This is the truth. I have seen the picture in the newspaper.
> This is my son Ajmal," Amir said in his first interview to
> the media since his son's arrest.
> Britain's Observer newspaper and BBC had earlier reported
> that Iman belonged to Faridkot and had joined the
> Lashker-e-Taiba some time ago.
He is my son, admits father of lone gunman arrested in Mumbai - Daylife
Though Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaat-ud-Dawa
> may disown him, the father of the lone Pakistani gunman
> arrested for the Mumbai terror attacks has admitted that the
> young man whose picture was beamed by media across the
> world, is his son.
> Amir Kasab, the father of Ajmal Amir Iman alias Ajmal Kasab,
> broke down as he made the admission to the influential Dawn
> newspaper in the courtyard of his house in Faridkot, a village
> of about 2,500 people in Okara district of Punjab province.
> "I was in denial for the first couple of days, saying to myself
> it could not have been my son... Now I have accepted it.
> This is the truth. I have seen the picture in the newspaper.
> This is my son Ajmal," Amir said in his first interview to
> the media since his son's arrest.
> Britain's Observer newspaper and BBC had earlier reported
> that Iman belonged to Faridkot and had joined the
> Lashker-e-Taiba some time ago.
He is my son, admits father of lone gunman arrested in Mumbai - Daylife
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Shocking Interview you MUST HEAR. Western Intelligence CIA, MOSSAD, and RAW agents are engaged in false flag operations (i.e. Mumbai 2008) to create trouble, trigger conflict, and ultimately to get Pakistan and India to attack one another and start World War 3 by provoking two of the World's Nuclear Powers to go to War!!! America wants to drag India into the War On Terror, and Israel wants India to attack Israel's mortal enemy Pakistan. This is a very heavy and Geo-Political complex topic!!!
Time to get your EDUCATION!!!
Listen to the Interview.
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.1
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.2
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.3
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.4
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.5
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.6
Time to get your EDUCATION!!!
Listen to the Interview.
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.1
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.2
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.3
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.4
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.5
Alex Jones interview with Gen. Hamid Gul pt.6
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We've been through this before on another thread. You're simply clutching at straws.
There is no "Amir Qasab" in Faridkot. This was proven in the other thread. Now who Dawn met could have been anyone, since that person has since *surprise surprise* "disappeared".
The Observer reported a "Muhammed Amir" to be the father of the Hindi speaking terrorist. The guy interviewed allegedly said his name was "Amir Qasab". The two reports do not add up. And since this alleged "Amir Qasab" has disappeared, noone can prove ot disprove this story.
The Washington Times also sent a reporter and could not track down anyone by the name of "Qasab".
You yourself can go to Faridkot and check for yourself, then write your own story in your own paper/journal. This would not be classed as proof or evidence of anything.
There is no "Amir Qasab" in Faridkot. This was proven in the other thread. Now who Dawn met could have been anyone, since that person has since *surprise surprise* "disappeared".
The Observer reported a "Muhammed Amir" to be the father of the Hindi speaking terrorist. The guy interviewed allegedly said his name was "Amir Qasab". The two reports do not add up. And since this alleged "Amir Qasab" has disappeared, noone can prove ot disprove this story.
The Washington Times also sent a reporter and could not track down anyone by the name of "Qasab".
You yourself can go to Faridkot and check for yourself, then write your own story in your own paper/journal. This would not be classed as proof or evidence of anything.
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