mullahs in Iran have increased their persecution of Sunni Muslims

[padamchen]

@padamchen What is your view of Manichaeism and Mazdakism?

They are all part of our ancestry and evolution into monothiestic Zoroastrisnism as codified by Spitama Zarathustra.

As are Mithraism and indeed briefly Babakism.

I have written on both at length here and on Strat Front in my debate with knowledgeable Hindu experts and Sanghis with knowledge too.

 

[Naofumi]

A short and sweet link.concentrating on Iran would be nice and greatly appreciated. Political and religious/ social.

Why don't you read up the Encyclopedia Iranica? It's not short though.

 

[Nein]

Shia islam turned a sect much much later.
Initially there was only islam and muslims. The rift was political and men who were power hungry committed atrocities against our beloved prophets family. Imam hassan and iman Hussain may Allah be pleased with them. After that slowly but surely the fitna started and now sadly all kinds of bad things happen.
On the positive side if you go the Gilgit and I have Shia friends there. By Allah I have not seen them do anything Sunnis dont. In his home they pray the read the Quran and they are shocked when they see some of the things shias in iran and other parts of Pakistan do. They even love the Sahaba and our mother Aaisha RA. This is not normal for some Shia sects.

Shia began as a political movement before it became a religious sect.

Shia basically meant supporters of Ali notning else as they backed Ali against Muawiyah. Sunnis are not against either Ali or Muawiyah would gladly support either i think Sunnis supported Muawiyah more due to his resvolve in punishing the murderers of Uthman also stop another civil war happening in the Muslim Ummah.

Khawarij were born as they opposed both Ali and Muawiyah and also making takfir on both. As time came they began to rebel and make takfir on all Muslims hence word dogs of hell fire.

 

[padamchen]

Why don't you read up the Encyclopedia Iranica? It's not short though.

I do. Regularly. A lot of my sources are from there and the Zoroastrian Heritage sites.

 

[Max]

Yeah Death to Yahoodi Arab !

Taqi is Wahhabi and Muneeb is Sunni,
You will get no response from Muneeb as he know much about Hypocrite..
As thousands of Sunni were killed in Pakistan by these Wahhabis groups like TTP, Lashkar e Jhangvi and ex- Sipah e Sahhaba aka AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMMAT DEOBAND (Group renamed after black list to get rid of ban, they used sunni term)

Yeah, death on Yahoodi Arabia and their lackeys along with death on Iranian terrorist fifth column in Pakistan. may only loyalty is with Pakistan unlike your kind.

As for your blabbering, I am Sunni (some call us Barelvi) myself, We know who is who and whose loyalties lies where, people like you think we are deaf and dumb, you don't have to teach us kid. We know Mufti Taqi and he is loyal Pakistani.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They are all part of our ancestry and evolution into monothiestic Zoroastrisnism as codified by Spitama Zarathustra.

As are Mirhraism and indeed briefly Baabakism.

I have written on both at length here and on Strat Front in my debate with knowledgeable Hindu experts and Sanghis with knowledge too.

Allama Iqbal voices Iblis' view of Marx as a reincarnation of Mazdak, in his poem Armaghan e Hijaz. After reading it, I had to research the public property and lack of marital propriety of Mazdakism. To believe this was a faith...

i think Sunnis supported Muawiyah more due to his resvolve in punishing the murderers of Uthman also

Sunnis support Ali's position. Muawiya was supported by his family and his supporters, who no longer exist. Some Muslims and Sahabah were misled by him though.

We know Mufti Taqi and he is loyal Pakistani.

Yes, he is a normal Sunni scholar, the most respected in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[Max]

i think Sunnis supported Muawiyah more due to his resvolve in punishing the murderers of Uthman also stop another civil war happening in the Muslim Ummah.

There was no Sunni shia back then, They both considered other party Muslims, their dispute was not on beliefs but Qisas of Hazrat Usman (r.a) and related politics.

Moreover as far as Sunnis concern there is no comparison between Rightly Guided Caliph like Hazrat Ali (r,a) and a Normal Sahabi like Muawiyah, There is no comparison b/w Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hussain (r.a) and b/w Muawiyah (r.a).

 

[Naofumi]

Baabakism

Khurramiyyah or Khorram-Dīnân

Shia began as a political movement before it became a religious sect.

Shia basically meant supporters of Ali notning else as they backed Ali against Muawiyah. Sunnis are not against either Ali or Muawiyah would gladly support either i think Sunnis supported Muawiyah more due to his resvolve in punishing the murderers of Uthman also stop another civil war happening in the Muslim Ummah.

Khawarij were born as they opposed both Ali and Muawiyah and also making takfir on both. As time came they began to rebel and make takfir on all Muslims hence word dogs of hell fire.

It was practically power struggle from the beginning, Sa'd ibn Ubadah ibn Dulaym (R. A.) was ousted by Abu Bakr (R. A.) and Umar (R. A.) on the basis of this hadith

but Ali's (R. A.) compatriots believed in the event of Ghadir Khumm, Prophet declared that Imamate of Alids will reign after him, that's the crux of the issue. Uthman (R. A.) also preferred persons of Banu Umayya on posts, so the positions were dominated by Umayyads after Uthman's death. The clan rivalry is talked about as the primary source of Sunni-Shi'a schism in Shi'a sources with depicting Umayyads as crypto-Muslims who usurped Islamic empire as their familial possession of course it's an extreme position, Khawarijs on the other hand rejected that only Quraish can be the Khalifa and fought both Umayyads and Shi'a. Umayyads emerged victorious under the tactful commander Marwan I and their demise was augmented by the fact they treated non-Arabs especially Iranians very harshly - Iranians like Abu Muslim al-Khurasani played a significant role in the revolution, the Shi'a too lent support in the hope of establishment of Shi'ite Imamate but the Abbasids ditched them in between. Iranians did get better positions with and more respect with the abolition of Mawali system but the Shi'tes remained relentless in their struggle for establishment of Imamate, with many Alid dynasty springing up in northern Iran, Abbasids also declared that Fatimids had no relation with Fatimah, that they were usurpers of the Sayyid identity.

 

[Nein]

There was no Sunni shia back then, They both considered other party Muslims, their dispute was not on beliefs but Qisas of Hazrat Usman (r.a) and related politics.

Moreover as far as Sunnis concern there is no comparison between Rightly Guided Caliph like Hazrat Ali (r,a) and a Normal Sahabi like Muawiyah, There is no comparison b/w Hazrat Imam Hassan and Hussain (r.a) and b/w Muawiyah (r.a).

But I dont believe Muawiyah deserves to be cursed like the shias do all the time.

 

[313ghazi]

Shia began as a political movement before it became a religious sect.

Shia basically meant supporters of Ali notning else as they backed Ali against Muawiyah. Sunnis are not against either Ali or Muawiyah would gladly support either i think Sunnis supported Muawiyah more due to his resvolve in punishing the murderers of Uthman also stop another civil war happening in the Muslim Ummah.

Khawarij were born as they opposed both Ali and Muawiyah and also making takfir on both. As time came they began to rebel and make takfir on all Muslims hence word dogs of hell fire.

You can't call yourself Sunni and not love Ali (RA).

You are are right though. The shia/sunni split started as a political divided, evolved into the development of two communities which resulted in slight religious differences (although there is some fringe craziness there) and it's current manifestation is a political divide dressed as a religious conflict fueled by two extremist regimes and their petro-dollars.

 

[Max]

But I dont believe Muawiyah deserves to be cursed like the shias do all the time.

No Sunni believe in cursing Ameer Muawiyah(r.a) or any of companions of Prophet (saww).

 

[TNT]

Yeah Death to Yahoodi Arab !

Taqi is Wahhabi and Muneeb is Sunni,
You will get no response from Muneeb as he know much about Hypocrite..
As thousands of Sunni were killed in Pakistan by these Wahhabis groups like TTP, Lashkar e Jhangvi and ex- Sipah e Sahhaba aka AHLE SUNNAT WAL JAMMAT DEOBAND (Group renamed after black list to get rid of ban, they used sunni term)

Taqi usmani is not wahabi but deobandi. I know shias and barelvis use the term wahabi openly but only group close to wahabi in Pakistan are the ahle e hadith. The rest of sunnis are mostly deobandi.

No one hates shia or anyone as long as u dont abuse the Sahaba RA and umhaat ul momineen RA. No one cares what shias do or believe but if you base ur sect/religion on abusive language for revered figures of others, then u will get response.
An example was the fight in parachinar where shias came out in procession and used abusive language for Sahaba RA, this angered the sunnis and started fighting.
My point, no one cares abt others belief as long as u refrain from abusive language for figures of other sect.