Mullah Omer did not die in Pakistan, as claimed by Afghan Official: US media

[Devil Soul]

US paper rejects Afghan officials' claim, says Mullah Omar died in Afghanistan,

 

[!eon]

And you are still running hard to bring peace in country of NDS

 

[asquare]

Which paper rejected the claim that he died in Pakistan and said he died in Afghanistan? Can you please provide a link?

In your original post, which you have now removed, you had copied a NYT article. I read it twice, it neither rejected the fact that he had died in Pakistan nor did it claim anywhere that he died in Afghanistan. All it said is that because these rumours have come up so many times before, it's hard to be certain.

 

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AFP | DAWN.COM — UPDATED 22 minutes ago

KABUL: The Taliban on Thursday confirmed the death of their leader Mullah Omar but did not say when or where he died. The statement says “his [Mullah Omar's] health condition deteriorated in the last two weeks” and “not for a single day did he go to Pakistan”.

The statement went on to say that three days of religious ceremonies would be held “to pray for the soul of Mullah Omar”.

The militants said Omar died of “sickness”, citing family members, contradicting the Afghan government's stance that the one-eyed warrior-cleric had passed away in the Pakistani city Karachi. Afghanistan's premier intelligence agency had also claimed Omar died in a Karachi hospital in April 2013.

Omar's death marks a significant blow to the Taliban, which is riven by internal divisions and threatened by the rise of the self-styled Islamic State group, the Middle East jihadist outfit that is making steady inroads in Afghanistan.

“The leadership of the Islamic Emirate and the family of Mullah Omar... announce that leader Mullah Omar died due to a sickness,” a Taliban statement said, using the movement's official name.

The Taliban, who were faced with the tricky process of choosing a successor to the near-mythical figure who led them for some 20 years, appointed Mullah Akhtar Mansoor as their new supreme leader earlier today.

According to DawnNews sources, the Afghan Taliban held meetings Wednesday night, after the reported death of Mullah Omar, and after consultation between members of the Shura Council, elected Mansoor as their new chief.

Mansoor was previously Omar’s deputy, and was running the 20-member council after Omar’s death.

Omar's son Mullah Yakoub was favoured by some commanders, sources said, but at 26 he was considered too young and inexperienced for such a key role.

Meanwhile, a fresh round of peace talks between the militants and the Afghan government, planned for Friday in Pakistan, has been postponed, according to Islamabad.

A Foreign Office statement on Thursday said the Taliban leadership had asked for the postponement “in view of the reports regarding the death of Mullah Omar and the resulting uncertainty”.

But the militants in a statement today appear to distance themselves from the process, casting doubt over its possible effectiveness.

“Media outlets are circulating reports that peace talks will take place very soon... either in the country of China or Pakistan,” the Taliban said in an English-language statement posted on their website on Thursday.

“(Our) political office... are not aware of any such process.”

 

[thesolar65]

OBL died in Pakistan, Mullah Omar also died in Pakistan......Dawood will also die in Pakistan!!

 

[Devil Soul]

Mullah Omar did not die in Pakistan, say Afghan Taliban
AFP | DAWN.COM — UPDATED about an hour ago

KABUL: The Taliban on Thursday confirmed the death of their leader Mullah Omar but did not say when or where he died. The statement says “his [Mullah Omar's] health condition deteriorated in the last two weeks” and “not for a single day did he go to Pakistan”.

The statement went on to say that three days of religious ceremonies would be held “to pray for the soul of Mullah Omar”.

The militants said Omar died of “sickness”, citing family members, contradicting the Afghan government's stance that the one-eyed warrior-cleric had passed away in the Pakistani city Karachi. Afghanistan's premier intelligence agency had also claimed Omar died in a Karachi hospital in April 2013.

Take a look: Mullah Omar died in Karachi in April 2013: Afghan govt.

Omar's death marks a significant blow to the Taliban, which is riven by internal divisions and threatened by the rise of the self-styled Islamic State group, the Middle East jihadist outfit that is making steady inroads in Afghanistan.

“The leadership of the Islamic Emirate and the family of Mullah Omar... announce that leader Mullah Omar died due to a sickness,” a Taliban statement said, using the movement's official name.

The Taliban, who were faced with the tricky process of choosing a successor to the near-mythical figure who led them for some 20 years, appointed Mullah Akhtar Mansoor as their new supreme leader earlier today.

According to DawnNews sources, the Afghan Taliban held meetings Wednesday night, after the reported death of Mullah Omar, and after consultation between members of the Shura Council, elected Mansoor as their new chief.

Mansoor was previously Omar’s deputy, and was running the 20-member council after Omar’s death.

Read: Afghan Taliban Shura elects new emir.

Omar's son Mullah Yakoub was favoured by some commanders, sources said, but at 26 he was considered too young and inexperienced for such a key role.

Meanwhile, a fresh round of peace talks between the militants and the Afghan government, planned for Friday in Pakistan, has been postponed, according to Islamabad.

A Foreign Office statement on Thursday said the Taliban leadership had asked for the postponement “in view of the reports regarding the death of Mullah Omar and the resulting uncertainty”.

But the militants in a statement today appear to distance themselves from the process, casting doubt over its possible effectiveness.

“Media outlets are circulating reports that peace talks will take place very soon... either in the country of China or Pakistan,” the Taliban said in an English-language statement posted on their website on Thursday.

“(Our) political office... are not aware of any such process.”

 

[Jango]

OBL died in Pakistan, Mullah Omar also died in Pakistan......Dawood will also die in Pakistan!!

Yar aap ki ankhain kharab hain?

As for my other Indian friends, what do you have to say now?

@Geralt , just yesterday you were adamant he was in Pakistan...now? Still believing the guy who you said and I quote, "served 30 years in the CIA and has advised 4 US presidents about south asian issues"?

So here's how it looks:

First came Bruce Reidel who said he is under ISI care in Quetta and Karachi (article dated 15 Dec 2014, a day before APS attack). Indians have a fit about it.

Then comes the news he died 3 years back and in Karachi. Indians quickly jump ship along with most of the world (@US_statedept_retired, hello my friend).

And now news comes he died in Afghanistan.

How the world changes...!

Which paper rejected the claim that he died in Pakistan and said he died in Afghanistan? Can you please provide a link?

In your original post, which you have now removed, you had copied a NYT article. I read it twice, it neither rejected the fact that he had died in Pakistan nor did it claim anywhere that he died in Afghanistan. All it said is that because these rumours have come up so many times before, it's hard to be certain.

His own family said that.

 

[asquare]

His own family said that.

How do you know what they're saying is credible? I'm not saying it's untrue, all I'm saying is that none of us know what is true in this case. The family might want continued protection from Pakistan and are, therefore, saying what is convenient. Or, you could be right, and he died in Afghanistan and the Pakistani establishment had nothing to do with him post 9/11.

My own opinion, which is based entirely on conjecture and could be wrong, is that he was being handled by the Pakistani establishment. The ISI revealed this news now (again I don't know if he can be believed, but someone posted a video of Amarullah Saleh saying the ISI called up the NDS and said Mullah Omar was dead) to ensure that no one could question the peace talks on the grounds that Mullah Omar wasn't on board. I wrote in another thread that while Pakistan's current Afghanistan strategy seems to be working very well, it's a very high risk strategy that could go spectacularly wrong. I think this is just an example of the ISI trying to dot its i's and cross its t's.

 

[Jango]

How do you know what they're saying is credible? I'm not saying it's untrue, all I'm saying is that none of us know what is true in this case. The family might want continued protection from Pakistan and are, therefore, saying what is convenient. Or, you could be right, and he died in Afghanistan and the Pakistani establishment had nothing to do with him post 9/11.

Maaf kar chacha...

All other nonsense which changes narratives more times than I change my underwear is all true and totally believable, but a statement by Afghan Taliban quting his family is wrong?

Had the same guys said he was in Pakistan, it would have been world news. I guarantee it and you know it.

My own opinion, which is based entirely on conjecture and could be wrong, is that he was being handled by the Pakistani establishment. The ISI revealed this news now (again I don't know if he can be believed, but someone posted a video of Amarullah Saleh saying the ISI called up the NDS and said Mullah Omar was dead) to ensure that no one could question the peace talks on the grounds that Mullah Omar wasn't on board. I wrote in another thread that while Pakistan's current Afghanistan strategy seems to be working very well, it's a very high risk strategy that could go spectacularly wrong. I think this is just an example of the ISI trying to dot its i's and cross its t's.

Oh, so ISI and PA which has been working hard to achieve peace talks and has been hosting them, suddenly breaks this news as a result of which the hard worked peace talks (whose conference was scheduled to be held tomorrow), gets cancelled to the best of my knowledge. Friday session has been cancelled by Taliban.

So ISI cancels it's own peace talks?

 

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Maaf kar chacha...

All other nonsense which changes narratives more times than I change my underwear is all true and totally believable, but a statement by Afghan Taliban quting his family is wrong?

Had the same guys said he was in Pakistan, it would have been world news. I guarantee it and you know it.



Oh, so ISI and PA which has been working hard to achieve peace talks and has been hosting them, suddenly breaks this news as a result of which the hard worked peace talks (whose conference was scheduled to be held tomorrow), gets cancelled to the best of my knowledge. Friday session has been cancelled by Taliban.

So ISI cancels it's own peace talks?

Having the peace talks cancelled temporarily might be preferable to having them derailed in the future by Taliban factions who oppose the talks and claim that Mullah Omar is opposed to the talks. Again, I'm not saying I'm right, I just marvel at the certainty with which you know you're right, on a question that most experts say they don't have an answer to.

 

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Which paper rejected the claim that he died in Pakistan and said he died in Afghanistan? Can you please provide a link?

In your original post, which you have now removed, you had copied a NYT article. I read it twice, it neither rejected the fact that he had died in Pakistan nor did it claim anywhere that he died in Afghanistan. All it said is that because these rumours have come up so many times before, it's hard to be certain.

and who claims he died in Pakistan

 

[asquare]

and who claims he died in Pakistan

The NDS. And the Pakistanis could be right, the NDS could be lying.

 

[Jango]

Again, I'm not saying I'm right, I just marvel at the certainty with which you know you're right, on a question that most experts say they don't have an answer to.

Then why do those experts write articles as if they just met the chap?

Or you people believe Dawood Ibrahim is in DHA Karachi (you lot went a bit further, ab bas gali number aur house number rehta hai!)

At this point, the word of Afghan Taliban is the most authentic, and that's what I'll take.

As I said before, had the Taliban said he was in Pakistan, your brethren would have made 10 threads by now, hence exposing your hypocritical stance on this issue's veracity.

 

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Then why do those experts write articles as if they just met the chap?

Or you people believe Dawood Ibrahim is in DHA Karachi (you lot went a bit further, ab bas gali number aur house number rehta hai!)

At this point, the word of Afghan Taliban is the most authentic, and that's what I'll take.

As I said before, had the Taliban said he was in Pakistan, your brethren would have made 10 threads by now, hence exposing your hypocritical stance on this issue's veracity.

One of the Mods here, Oscar, has said a million times that Dawood is in Karachi, he's met his family members and he knows where he lives. I've met Indian diplomats who claim that it is common knowledge amongst many in Pakistan that Dawood is there and many in the establishment freely admit it in private conversations.

As long as you admit the possibility that the Afghan Taliban might not be telling the truth on this (for obvious reasons), I have no squabble with your position. You have every right to consider the Afghan Taliban to be the most authentic. I have to work in Afghanistan occasionally and have seen conditions there; if you are right about the ISI approaching these talks in good faith and these talks lead to some sort of lasting solution, I'm happy for Pakistan to succeed even at the cost of Indian interests there.

 

[Fracker]

Killing Mullah Omar was required, perfect timing and known objectives.

He wasn't that old, neither were having known health problems. So he might died before, due to some other reasons or still alive. Timing of this news and Afghan Taliban Peace agreements are linked. Confirm!!