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Her paternal grandfather Poonja Jinnah was a successful businessman and belonged to the ‘Khoja’ caste. Her maternal grandparents’ family were ‘Parsi,’ and after their daughter, Rattanbai’s married Muhammad Ali Jinnah and accepted, they disowned their daughter.


In the mid-1870s, Jinnah’s parents left Gujarat and settled in Karachi to start their business. Jinnah and her sister Fatima Jinnah are prominent historical personalities who began the ‘Pakistan Movement.’ Their efforts resulted in Pakistan’s establishment on 14th August 1947, and Jinnah became its 1st Governor-General. Titles ‘Mother of Nation’ and ‘Father of Nation’ were bestowed to Fatima and Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

Duh!!

The copy-paste excerpt you posted here says that Rattanbai's parents (Dina's grand parents) Disowned their daughter (i.e Ruttie Jinnah) when she married Jinnah. It isn't talking about Dina's parents. Dina's mother died when she was 9

At least learn to read and comprehend before posting tons of crap :lol:
 
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Duh!!

The copy-paste excerpt you posted here says that Rattanbai's parents Disowned her when she married Jinnah.

At least learn to read and comprehend before posting tons of crap :lol:
Same with you idiot, you learnt to comprehend too: :rofl:

From BBC:
Dina Wadia: Farewell, Jinnah's daughter, dead at 98
By Dr Andrew Whitehead
Former BBC India correspondent

Published3 November 2017
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A black and white picture of a young Dina Wadia, shot at an undisclosed location with her father Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and aunt Fatima Jinnah
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Image caption,A young Dina Wadia (R), pictured at an undisclosed location with her father Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, and aunt Fatima Jinnah
Dina Wadia died on 2 November at the impressive age of 98. She was the only child of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan - though there was a breach between the two when she did as her father did and married a non-Muslim.
She strenuously avoided public attention. But after five years of striving, I managed to meet her in her apartment off Madison Avenue in New York in September 2002.
I was in the US to cover the first anniversary of 9/11, and Dina said I could come over. She lived in the sort of exclusive apartment building where you didn't get into the lobby, never mind beyond it, unless you were expected.
She wouldn't allow me to record an interview - she insisted nothing should be on-the-record - she wouldn't permit herself to be photographed... though she relented as I was leaving, and let me take a photo of a life-size, full-length portrait of her painted in London in 1943 when she was expecting her son, the businessman Nusli Wadia. (Alas, the photo didn't come out too well.)
With her death, I am released from the bonds of confidentiality - and while there's nothing particularly surprising about what she said, I can at least set it down.
I was struck as soon as she opened the door by her appearance. She was spry and petite, wearing bright red lipstick - and with her high cheekbones and aquiline nose, and somewhat imperious expression, she looked strikingly like her father.

Indeed, I remember the shock of that first glance upon her - her father's daughter.
Dina Wadia was charming and friendly. She showed me a photo of her beautiful mother, Rattanbai "Ruttie" Petit, a Parsi, who died when her daughter was nine. She was brought up largely by her maternal grandmother.
On her desk was a photo of her father. She spoke of her pride in Jinnah. Yes, they had quarrelled over her marriage to Neville Wadia - who was born a Parsi but converted to Christianity - but they made it up, and often spoke and wrote to each other. She says her father rang her from Delhi to say "We've got it!" when he won the Muslim League's demand for Pakistan. Her own temperament and personality, she reckoned, came more from her father than her mother.
Dina never made her home in Pakistan. She told me that Bombay (Mumbai) was her city - though she spent long periods in London as well as New York. She went to Pakistan for her father's funeral in 1948, and twice more to visit her Aunt Fatima, Jinnah's sister, but when we met she hadn't set foot in Pakistan since Fatima's death in 1967.
She said she had been invited many times, by Benazir Bhutto and others, but had persistently refused - she didn't want to be used as a mascot. She complained of leaders who had "robbed" the country and warned that democracy hadn't flourished in any Muslim country.
(Two years after we met, she did return to Karachi and visited her father's mausoleum as well as taking part in a touch of cricket diplomacy.)

Pakistani Air Force cadets march next to Jinnah's mausoleum in Karachi to mark the country's Defence Day on 6 September, 2017.
IMAGE SOURCE,RIZWAN TABASSUM
Image caption,Pakistani Air Force cadets march next to Jinnah's mausoleum in Karachi
Dina ran through a checklist of independence-era leaders - she had warm memories of Gandhi, whom her father liked; she said that Sardar Patel was "straight"; but she regarded Nehru as easily flattered and not her father's equal; while Mountbatten, she said, was simply "untrustworthy".
As for Jinnah's reputation, and the manner in which he is commemorated across Pakistan, she told me she didn't like the way her father was "worshipped".
And with that I was ushered out - but the memory of the encounter has remained with me. I made notes as soon as I got back to my New York hotel room and I have them in front of me as I write.
I am sad to hear of her death. There was something remarkable about her - and with her passing, just about the last remaining link with South Asia's independence era leaders has been broken.
Duh!!

The copy-paste excerpt you posted here says that Rattanbai's parents (Dina's grand parents) Disowned their daughter (i.e Ruttie Jinnah) when she married Jinnah. It isn't talking about Dina's parents. Dina's mother died when she was 9

At least learn to read and comprehend before posting tons of crap :lol:
You blithering fool check my Indian source which was the first post I made, which says Dina Wadia was disowned by her father.

Are you blind or what? :rofl:

"Although Jinnah tried everything in his power to dissuade Dina, she eventually married him against her fathers’ wishes. The marriage resulted in Jinnah disowning his only child; although no legal notice of her disownment was issued. Both Jinnah and Dina’s relationship suffered due to this marriage and although they did share many letters after her marriage, their relationship became very formal and they only met at social gatherings where Jinnah would address his only daughter as ‘Mrs. Wadia’."
 
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This Article is From Nov 03, 2017
All About Dina Wadia, The Only Daughter Of Pakistan Founder Jinnah
Pakistan founder Mohammad Ali Jinnahs daughter Dina Wadia died in New York on Thursday, reportedly due to pneumonia. She was 98.
All IndiaWritten by Richa TanejaUpdated: November 03, 2017 7:07 pm IST
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All About Dina Wadia, The Only Daughter Of Pakistan Founder Jinnah

Mohammad Ali Jinnah with his daughter Dina Wadia



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The only child of Pakistan founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Dina Wadia, died on Thursday in New York, reportedly due to pneumonia. She was 98. Ms Wadia married Bombay-based Parsi businessman Neville Wadia against her father's wishes stayed back in India after partition. She is survived by her daughter Diana Wadia, son Nusli Wadia, grandsons Ness and Jeh Wadia and two great grandchildren Jah and Ella Wadia.



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Here's a look at her life and times:

1. Ms Wadia was born around the midnight of August 14-15, 1919 in a cinema theatre in London where her parents, Jinnah and Rattanbai, were watching a film, quoting historian Stanley Wolpert, community website Parshi Khabar said.

"Oddly enough, precisely 28 years to the day and hour before the birth of Jinnah's other offspring, Pakistan," Wolpert wrote in his acclaimed biography on the founder of Pakistan 'Jinnah of Pakistan' (1982).

2. At 19, Dina Wadia married Neville Wadia, a Parsi Mumbai industrialist, against the wishes of her father who did not want her to marry a Parsi. However, her mother Rattanbai Petit was a Parsi and after marrying Jinnah, she converted to Islam and was renamed as Maryam Jinnah.

3. When she confronted her father over this fact that her mother too was a Parsi, she was told that there were millions of Muslim boys in India, and she could have anyone she chose. Mahommed Ali Currim Chagla, who was Jinnah's assistant at that time, quoted her conversation as, "Father, there were millions of Muslim girls in India. Why did you not marry one of them?" To this, Mr Jinnah's response was, "She became a Muslim". His adamancy led to a strained relationship between the father and the daughter. She married Neville Wadia in 1938 and moved to Bombay.









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4. After marriage, Dina Wadia shared a formal relationship with her father. She did not travel to Pakistan and chose to stay back in Mumbai after partition, until his funeral in September 1948. She did not get any claim of inheritance of her father's properties as Pakistani laws allow for a person to be disinherited for violating Islamic rules, in this case by a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim.


5. Her husband Neville Wadia succeeded his father's business and became the chairman of Bombay Dyeing, one of India's largest producers of textiles. The couple had a daughter Diana Wadia and son Nusli Wadia. Their marriage, however, lasted for only a few years and Ms Wadia moved to New York after her separation with Neville Wadia.
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Her son Nusli Wadia, Chairman of the Wadia Group, reportedly shared a close bond with his mother and used to shuttle between Mumbai and New York to spend time with her. At the time of her death in New York, she was surrounded by many of her family members and relatives. This included her son Nusli Wadia, daughter Diana Wadia, grandsons Ness and Jeh Wadia, Jeh's wife Celina and two great-grandchildren Jah and Ella Wadia.
All About Dina Wadia, The Only Daughter Of Pakistan Founder Mohammad Ali Jinnah (ndtv.com)

:rofl: :rofl: Agencies?? Really

No wonder an idiot like you don't even knows that Hilal (to which I posted link in my previous post, for Jinnah's last will) is actually the official magazine of Pakistan Armed Forces :omghaha::omghaha:
Hey idiot, you stop posting unverifiable crap as well. :rofl:
I too am using official sources as well :rofl:

Dina Wadia's marriage to a Parsi deeply annoyed and angered Muhammad Ali Jinnah.\

You libertine retard! :rofl:
 
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:omghaha: :omghaha:

Are you blind or what? :rofl:

"Although Jinnah tried everything in his power to dissuade Dina, she eventually married him against her fathers’ wishes. The marriage resulted in Jinnah disowning his only child; although no legal notice of her disownment was issued. Both Jinnah and Dina’s relationship suffered due to this marriage and although they did share many letters after her marriage, their relationship became very formal and they only met at social gatherings where Jinnah would address his only daughter as ‘Mrs. Wadia’."

Clutching at straws now? I'm loving it :lol:

Even your beloved Indian source says that "no legal notice of her disownment was issued" :rofl::omghaha:. M.C Chagla, a staunch opponent of Jinnah, said that Jinnah disowned his daughter. It's the same Chagla we have discussed (and discredited) earlier in this discussion. He says that Ruttie used to bring ham sandwiches for Jinnah. You sure you want to take his words as Gospel Truth?? :lol::omghaha:

Stop making yourself look like a bigger fool than you actually are
Give it a rest, mate, seriously
 
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Quaid’s daughter Dina passes away in New York

Jawed Naqvi | Masood HaiderPublished November 3, 2017
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Dina Wadia visited Pakistan only twice — first in 1948 when her father died, and then in 2004.

Dina Wadia visited Pakistan only twice — first in 1948 when her father died, and then in 2004.

NEW DELHI / NEW YORK: Dina Wadia, the estranged daughter of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, passed away at her home in New York on Thursday. She was 98.
She is survived by her son and chairman of the Wadia group Nusli N. Wadia, daughter Diana N. Wadia, and great grandsons Ness and Jeh Wadia, a spokesperson for the Wadia group of companies said in a statement.
There was no official comment in India on her death although her son Nusli Wadia is a close friend of the Nehru-Gandhi family. It is possible that, given the fraught political climate, condolences involving Mr Jinnah’s daughter would be passed privately.

She was not allowed to live in the house Jinnah built in Mumbai
A staunchly independent-minded daughter, Ms Wadia encompassed troublesome contradictions that stalked her father, personally and culturally.
Mr Jinnah with his sister Fatima and daughter Dina.—Courtesy National Archives Islamabad

Mr Jinnah with his sister Fatima and daughter Dina.—Courtesy National Archives Islamabad

While Ms Wadia stayed in India after partition, Fatima Jinnah accompanied her brother to Pakistan. Ms Wadia visited Pakistan only twice, in 1948 when Jinnah died, and in 2004.
Tensions between father and daughter over her marriage to Neville Wadia deepened their aloofness with each other.
To spike the cultural brew for the Quaid, Neville’s father was a Zoroastrian who converted to Christianity while Neville Wadia converted back to Zoroastrianism, and Dina stood up against her father’s advice against her marriage to him.
On May 30, 1939, Mr Jinnah bequeathed his Mumbai mansion to the unwed Fatima. To his daughter, he left a monthly income for life from Rs200,000 he deposited in the Habib Bank.
Mr Jinnah and Dina share a private moment in the grounds of their home on West Heath Road in Hampstead, London.—Courtesy National Archives Islamabad

Mr Jinnah and Dina share a private moment in the grounds of their home on West Heath Road in Hampstead, London.—Courtesy National Archives Islamabad

After partition, India appropriated immovable and movable property left behind by those who went to Pakistan, designating such assets evacuee property. Ms Wadia, who moved to New York after divorcing her husband, divided her time between New York, London and Mumbai. She had wanted to spend her remaining days in the home her father built.
She claimed that Mr Jinnah’s will was not probated — meaning registered in court — and was, therefore, not legally binding. The Indian government rejected this, stating that “the late Fatima Jinnah was his rightful legal heir as Jinnah had willed the house to her. Only Fatima or her legal heir could have applied for restoration of the property”.
The Indian assertion over the house saw Mr Jinnah as an “important historical figure”, adding that there were “competing claims based on sentiments attached to his legacy, like that of the Pakistan government.
Dina Wadia with UN Secretary General Dr Kurt Waldheim in 1976 at a ceremony to commemorate the birth centenary of her father. Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the UN Iqbal A. Akhund is seen in the centre.

Dina Wadia with UN Secretary General Dr Kurt Waldheim in 1976 at a ceremony to commemorate the birth centenary of her father. Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the UN Iqbal A. Akhund is seen in the centre.

“While the Indian government respects these sentiments, it cannot yield to them and has therefore decided to convert the bungalow into a South Asian centre for arts and culture, which will foster and nurture the shared cultural ethos of the South Asian region”, the Indian affidavit said.
Ms Wadia’s lawyers challenged the view. “Being the only child of Mr Jinnah, she is the sole heir to his property,” her lawyer Shrikanth Doijode has been quoted as saying. “This is the only property in India which she is claiming and which is in the possession of the Indian government at present.”
When nothing worked, Ms Wadia lobbied then prime minister Manmohan Singh. “It is now almost 60 years since my father’s death and I have been deprived of my house... where I grew up and lived until I married,” she wrote in a letter. “I request you return it to me.”
Dina Wadia (extreme left), Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s only daughter, flew in from Delhi to attend her father’s funeral. Seen on her left are Lady Ghulam Hussain Hidayatullah, Miss Fatima Jinnah, and Lady Nusrat Haroon. All were clearly and understandably unable to hold back their tears as they grieved Quaid-i-Azam Jinnah’s death.—Courtesy The Press Information Department, Ministry of Information, Broadcasting & National Heritage, Islamabad.

Dina Wadia (extreme left), Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s only daughter, flew in from Delhi to attend her father’s funeral. Seen on her left are Lady Ghulam Hussain Hidayatullah, Miss Fatima Jinnah, and Lady Nusrat Haroon. All were clearly and understandably unable to hold back their tears as they grieved Quaid-i-Azam Jinnah’s death.—Courtesy The Press Information Department, Ministry of Information, Broadcasting & National Heritage, Islamabad.

Challenging Pakistan’s claim on the house, Nusli Wadia said: “Jinnah House has absolutely nothing to do with Pakistan. It was my grandfather’s personal residence and one that he loved dearly. The Pakistani government is nowhere in the picture.”
Backing the Wadia view gleefully was the late Bal Thackeray. “Today Pakistan is asking for Jinnah House. Tomorrow they may want the Taj Mahal and the day after the Qutab Minar.”
As Mr Jinnah grew in political stature his personal life suffered devastating blows. His wife, Rattanbai, a Parsi who converted to Islam to marry him in 1918, died in 1929 at the age of 29. After her death, Dina, who was born in London in 1919, was brought up by Jinnah’s sister, Fatima.
Dina marries Neville Wadia at the All Saints’ Church in Bombay, 1938.—Courtesy Dr Ghulam Nabi Kazi

Dina marries Neville Wadia at the All Saints’ Church in Bombay, 1938.—Courtesy Dr Ghulam Nabi Kazi

In 1938, Dina married Neville Wadia, breaking her father’s heart. Muhammad Currim Chagla, who was Jinnah’s assistant at the time, wrote: “Jinnah, in his usual imperious manner, told Dina that there were millions of Muslim boys in India, and she could have anyone she chose. But she reminded her father he had married a non-Muslim, to which Jinnah replied that “she did embrace Islam’.”
Dina’s marriage destroyed her relationship with her father. He turned very formal, addressing her as Mrs Wadia in public and in private.

2004 visit

Dina Wadia pictured during a visit to Lahore in 2004.—Courtesy Yousaf Salahuddin

Dina Wadia pictured during a visit to Lahore in 2004.—Courtesy Yousaf Salahuddin

During her second trip to Karachi in March 2004, Dina Wadia was accompanied by son Nusli and grandsons, Ness and Jehangir.
They visited the Quaid’s Mazar and laid a wreath.
“This has been very sad as well as wonderful for me. May his (Quaid’s) dream for Pakistan come true,” she wrote in the visitors’ book. Her stay at the mausoleum lasted about an hour.
She also visited the hall where personal belongings of the Quaid are on display. The Quaid’s daughter showed a liking for three pictures and requested for their blow-ups. One of the pictures shows Dina with her parents, another is that of her mother while the third, which she liked the most, shows the Quaid-i-Azam dictating a letter to someone.
Later she paid her respects at the tomb of Fatima Jinnah, her aunt.
Dina Wadia had been at this place only once before — in Sept 1948 after the death of her father. She had never visited Pakistan in the Quaid’s lifetime.
Dina Wadia, along with her son and grandsons, later visited the Flagstaff House and the Quaid’s birthplace, Wazir Mansion.
She had asked the authorities to treat her visit as private and in deference to her wish, print and electronic media teams were not allowed into the Quaid’s Mazar and the other places.
Published in Dawn, November 3rd, 2017

Quaid’s daughter Dina passes away in New York - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Clutching at straws now? I'm loving it :lol:

Even your beloved Indian source says that "no legal notice of her disownment was issued" :rofl::omghaha:. M.C Chagla, a staunch opponent of Jinnah, said that Jinnah disowned his daughter. It's the same Chagla we have discussed (and discredited) earlier in this discussion. He says that Ruttie used to bring ham sandwiches for Jinnah. You sure you want to take his words as Gospel Truth?? :lol::omghaha:

Stop making yourself look like a bigger fool than you actually are
Give it a rest, mate, seriously

You look like the biggest idiot here. :rofl:
It is you clutching at the straws you moron. :rofl:
He may not have done a legal notice, but she lost the Islamic inheritance. :rofl:

Dina Wadia's marriage to Mr. Wadia deeply annoyed Jinnah to the point of disowning her.
Clutching at straws now? I'm loving it :lol:

Even your beloved Indian source says that "no legal notice of her disownment was issued" :rofl::omghaha:. M.C Chagla, a staunch opponent of Jinnah, said that Jinnah disowned his daughter. It's the same Chagla we have discussed (and discredited) earlier in this discussion. He says that Ruttie used to bring ham sandwiches for Jinnah. You sure you want to take his words as Gospel Truth?? :lol::omghaha:

Stop making yourself look like a bigger fool than you actually are
Give it a rest, mate, seriously
Then you ar hypocrite. Why should we take your sources as gospel truth either, you cannot take M.C. Chagla's words.

You are a liar, hypocrite and moron.

You acting as if Dina's marriage did not annoy Jinnah, when it did.

Stop beating around the bush.
 
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No, Jinnah didn't do that. Read his last will (May 1939) in which he directed the executors to set apart Rs. 200,000 for his daughter. Jinnah met his Non-Muslim daughter and grandchildren several times in Bombay before 1947.

Jinnah was unhappy with his 19 yo daughter marrying a Christian, Neville Wadia, because he didn't like the man and because he was conscious of his role as the leader of the Muslims of India. Jinnah didn't attended the wedding in 1938, but he did send a bouquet through his driver, Abdul Hai, to the newly married couple.

Jinnah had been a lifelong supporter of Interfaith marriages, in his own words: "if there is fairly a large class of enlightened, educated, advanced Indians, be they Hindus, Muhammadans or Parsis, and if they wish to adopt a system of marriage, which is more in accord with the modern civilisation and ideas of modern times, more in accord with modern sentiments, why should that class be denied justice?”

This is a far cry from advocacy of interfaith marriage. A legal civic partnership maybe
 
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You look like the biggest idiot here. :rofl:
It is you clutching at the straws you moron. :rofl:
He may not have done a legal notice, but she lost the Islamic inheritance. :rofl:

Dina Wadia's marriage to Mr. Wadia deeply annoyed Jinnah to the point of disowning her.

You are the one desperately copy pasting entire articles here without reading, to hide your embarrassment :lol:

Jinnah was unhappy with the marriage, that's exactly what I wrote in my first post on Dina's topic.

I only pointed out that 'Jinnah disowning his daughter' was a myth. Jinnah's will proves otherwise.

As for what current laws of Pakistan are, or whether they allow a Non-Muslim to inherit from a Muslim, it is irrelevant to what Jinnah wanted for his daughter in the 1940s


This is a far cry from advocacy of interfaith marriage. A legal civic partnership maybe

No, it's not. Or do you want me to paste here his entire speech/argument as Viceroy's representative? He is actually arguing (in plain and simple words) for secular laws to override Muslim laws in that speech
 
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You are the one desperately copy pasting entire articles here without reading to hide your embarrassment :lol:

Jinnah was unhappy with the marriage, that's exactly what I wrote in my first post on Dina's topic.

I only pointed out that 'Jinnah disowning her daughter' was a myth. Jinnah's will proves otherwise.

As for what current laws of Pakistan's are, or whether they allow a Non-Muslim to inherit from a Muslim, it is irrelevant to what Jinnah's wanted for his daughter in the 1940s
Ummm loser hypocrite. You should hide your embarassment.

You said Jinnah promoted interfaith marriages quoted by @El Sidd

Caught you red-handed. You idiot :rofl:

yes Jinnah was angry with Dina Wadia and did disown her.
 
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No, it's not. Or do you want me to paste here his entire speech/argument as Viceroy's representative? He is actually arguing for secular laws to override Muslim laws in that speech

Why not? Anything Jinnah related is an academic treasure for Pakistanis.

Jinnah was a man of his words. He wouldn't advocate for something he would absolve himself of. This charisma ensured that the masses followed him despite the language barrier.

Jinnah changed for those who chain him to one phase of his life, they never accepted it. It would have meant total collapse of status quo, a process still ongoing.
 
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Why not? Anything Jinnah related is an academic treasure for Pakistanis.

Jinnah was a man of his words. He wouldn't advocate for something he would absolve himself of. This charisma ensured that the masses followed him despite the language barrier.

Jinnah changed for those who chain him to one phase of his life, they never accepted it. It would have meant total collapse of status quo, a process still ongoing.

Why create a Muslim country if the Muslim Laws would be overridden by secular laws? :rofl:

El Sidd ignore M. Sarmad, he sounds like Yasser Latif Hamdani.
 
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Jinnah changed for those who chain him to one phase of his life, they never accepted it. It would have meant total collapse of status quo, a process still ongoing.

Yes, that's right. Jinnah did change over the years and his later political life was entirely different from his earlier staunch advocacy of Hindu-Muslim unity. But his ideals remained the same; safeguarding the interests of Indian Muslims. He changed his path only; the means to achieve his goals.

For example, Jinnah was an avid member of the Fabian Society in early 30s. One could argue that Jinnah's vision of Islamic Socialism had more to do with Fabianism than Islam. Just like Iqbal, who believed that Bolshevism plus God was Islam.

Jinnah unequivocally rejected a theocratic state. He said "Democracy is in the blood of Musalmans, who look upon complete equality of manhood [mankind]…[and] believe in fraternity, equality and liberty."

"A complete equality of mankind" does not need Islam (or any other religion for that matter) to bring peace and prosperity.

As for the earlier quote regarding interfaith marriage, he does talk about a interfaith system of marriage (Jinnah's own words). No need to attribute to the man something he didn't say (e.g civil partnership/uinon)
 
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As for the earlier quote regarding interfaith marriage, he does talk about a interfaith system of marriage (Jinnah's own words). No need to attribute to the man something he didn't say (e.g civil partnership/uinon)
hypothetical if is there in the quote.
 
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:rofl: :rofl: Agencies?? Really

No wonder an idiot like you don't even knows that Hilal (to which I posted link in my previous post, for Jinnah's last will) is actually the official magazine of Pakistan Armed Forces :omghaha:
yup, .gov.pk
he may turn around and say :bajwa conspiracy

and his madrassa also taught him that liberal (tolerant; unprejudiced; broad-minded) and libertine (a person like his ownself who is devoid of moral principles/ethics) are synonyms:omghaha:
 
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yup, .gov.pk
he may turn around and say :bajwa conspiracy

and his madrassa also taught him that liberal (tolerant; unprejudiced; broad-minded) and libertine (a person like his ownself who is devoid of moral principles/ethics) are synonyms:omghaha:

Without jokers like him posting here on and off, PDF would really be a boring place :omghaha:

On a serious note, I believe no one can be that stupid. He's just trolling
 
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Without jokers like him posting here on and off, PDF would really be a boring place
then it might become a place for learning from one another. I'll prefer boring over stupid
I believe no one can be that stupid. He's just trolling

not too certain about that. once some people here declared holy war on me for believing earth to be globe-like. they even misquoted from the Quraan to prove it is a flat disc.
- https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/earth-curvature.714607/post-13189005
- https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/post-11754748
- https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/post-11754889
 
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