Muhamad ghauri saint or devil

[Rafi]

So you feel compelled to glorify someone who massacred, reaped and enslaved your ancestors, destroyed their worship places and generally persecuted them?

Yes, you lost your religion and civilization and became a fake Arab.

If you want to be grateful for that, I give a damn.

I see him and his ilk by his actions and they were the worst of humanity.

You understand nothing, my people were not massacred by anyone, they fought Ghauri at the time because they were concerned about their land's, and the did not loose anything, they gained a beautiful religion.

This is what makes our Punjab truly beautiful I wish to thank my ancestor who converted to this.

 

[Vinod2070]

The majority of indian kings of that time were also brutes, to think that these kings had to be cunning and cruel to retain there birthrights, and the modern indian belief that they were some sort of hippy Ghandiesq rulers has no truth in reality.

Even if it is true, does it justify what was done in the name of "mercy of Allah", "final and perfect" and "peaceful and tolerant"?

 

[sid426]

You understand nothing, my people were not massacred by anyone, they fought Ghauri at the time because they were concerned about their land's, and the did not loose anything, they gained a beautiful religion.

This is what makes our Punjab truly beautiful I wish to thank my ancestor who converted to this.

By Glorifying your adopted religion you are embarrassing your ancestors who stood against the Muslim invaders and fought till the last.

 

[Rafi]

You mean Spain model is the only one what you consider "vanquishing"!

Indian Hindus had won over the country from the Muslim invaders. That is what I call "vanquished".

(Undivided) Indian Muslims are mostly converts. We don't have issues with what religion they practice.

The invaders were always a minority and have inter-married with the local convert's. They were not vanquished in any sense of the word.

 

[Rafi]

Even if it is true, does it justify what was done in the name of "mercy of Allah", "final and perfect" and "peaceful and tolerant"?

All the claims of brutality have been greatly exaggerated, like I said, many Hindus served these so-called brutes - would they have done that, if they were really the genocidal maniacs as modern indians claim.

 

[Vinod2070]

You understand nothing, my people were not massacred by anyone, they fought Ghauri at the time because they were concerned about their land's, and the did not loose anything, they gained a beautiful religion.

So you don't mind those rapes and genocides and enslavement. The destruction of their worship places.

Because supposedly who perpetrated all that brought you the "mercy of Allah" and "final and perfect" and "peaceful and tolerant" religion!

Do you see the contradiction here?

Every Islamic channel now a days seems to call the Sufi practices shirk! Were the Sufis real Muslims or Mushriks?

This is what makes our Punjab truly beautiful I wish to thank my ancestor who converted to this.

You may. It doesn't change the nature of those brutes.

 

[Vinod2070]

All the claims of brutality have been greatly exaggerated, like I said, many Hindus served these so-called brutes - would they have done that, if they were really the genocidal maniacs as modern indians claim.

Why repeat something that has already been answered and debunked!

Millions of Chinese served the Japanese as late as WW-2 when they were murdering 20 million Chinese.

Muslims and Arabs served the Mongols when they were perpetrating genocides on them the likes of which never took place in history.

 

[Rafi]

By Glorifying your adopted religion you are embarrassing your ancestors who stood against the Muslim invaders and fought till the last.

They fought when they needed to, but due to the Sufi's were peacefully converted. The Shrine of our Baba - is still revered to this day, don't be absurd there is nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[sid426]

The fact of the matter is that only the cowards who lost to the Ghauris and Ghaznavis converted to Islam out of the fear of life.

 

[Vinod2070]

The invaders were always a minority and have inter-married with the local convert's. They were not vanquished in any sense of the word.

They were militarily defeated by the Hindus and almost all of India was under Hindu control before the British came.

 

[Rafi]

So you don't mind those rapes and genocides and enslavement. The destruction of their worship places.

Because supposedly who perpetrated all that brought you the "mercy of Allah" and "final and perfect" and "peaceful and tolerant" religion!

Do you see the contradiction here?

It is an exaggeration and mostly propaganda

Every Islamic channel now a days seems to call the Sufi practices shirk! Were the Sufis real Muslims or Mushriks?

The vast majority of Pakistani Muslims are Sunni Barelvi's and Shia's who are fervent believers in Sufism.

You may. It doesn't change the nature of those brutes.

Propaganda by revisionist Hindu nationalists

 

[sid426]

They fought when they needed to, but due to the Sufi's were peacefully converted. The Shrine of our Baba - is still revered to this day, don't be absurd there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Brother, I believe in Sufism and its teaching. I have read everything about baba bulleh shah, baba ganj shakar, ameer khusrow and others. I rever them and every friday I visit the Nizammuddin Dargah, but thats a different matter altogether.

Sufism came to India after the Muslim Invaders when the dust has settled and some kind of peace had prevailed. If they would have come along with the invaders,they would have been treated as pariah by the hindu majority.

 

[Rafi]

The fact of the matter is that only the cowards who lost to the Ghauris and Ghaznavis converted to Islam out of the fear of life.

Watch your tongue, my people are Jatt's and are warrior's - nobody could have forced us to convert, another lie told by Hindu nationalists.

 

[Rafi]

Brother, I believe in Sufism and its teaching. I have read everything about baba bulleh shah, baba ganj shakar, ameer khusrow and others. I rever them and every friday I visit the Nizammuddin Dargah, but thats a different matter altogether.

Sufism came to India after the Muslim Invaders when the dust has settled and some kind of peace had prevailed. If they would have come along with the invaders,they would have been treated as pariah by the hindu majority.

Sufism is the mystical element of Islam, it is part and parcel of the Islamic Faith, and many Sufi's did come with the Warrior's.

 

[Vinod2070]

Propaganda by revisionist Hindu nationalists

Lol. These are facts recorded by Muslim historians of the time with great glee.

They have always been considered a matter of great pride throughout Islamic history, a gift of Allah to the faithful.

They become propaganda when they seem inconvenient!

Taqiya is not going to work my friend.