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Hi

I am going to start with a discussion about muhammed ghauri. As far as i know Indians consider him to be a devil where as for Pakistanis he was a hero. As an Indian i do not hold a positive view about him but i am open to the views of Pakistanis.


Request you to please keep it civil without bringing the religon into it


I searched few couple of things on him here and there from the articles which are in my local computer so i dont have the links my appologies for the same



These continuous jihad campaigns were accompanied by great destruction and acts of wanton cruelty. Utbi describes the slaughter which transpired during the attacks on Thanesar and Sirsawa:

The chief of Thanesar was…obstinate in his infidelity and denial of Allah, so the Sultan marched against him with his valiant warriors for the purpose of planting the standards of Islam and extirpating idolatry… The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously that the stream was discoloured, and people were unable to drink it… Praise be to Allah… for the honour he bestows upon Islam and Musalmans. [17]

[at Sirsawa] The Sultan summoned the most religiously disposed of his followers, and ordered them to attack the enemy immediately. Many infidels were consequently slain or taken prisoners in this sudden attack, and the Musalmans paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels… The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three whole days, in order to obtain booty [18]

Mahmud’s final well-known expedition in Hindustan, to Somanath in 1025 C.E., was similarly brutal, and destructive:

Mahmud captured the place [Somanath] without much difficulty and ordered a general slaughter in which more than 50,000 persons are said to have perished. The idol of Somanath was broken to pieces which were sent to Ghazni, Mecca, and Medina and cast in streets and the staircases of chief mosques to be trodden by the Muslims going there for their prayers [19]

Over 900 years apart, remarkably concordant assessments of Mahmud’s devastating exploits have been written by the renowned 11th century Muslim scholar Alberuni (a counselor to Mahmud), and the contemporary Indian historian A.L. Srivastava. First Alberuni, from about 1030 C.E.: [20]

Mahmud utterly ruined the prosperity of the country…by which the Hindus became like atoms of dust scattered in all directions, and like a tale of old in the mouth of the people. Their scattered remains cherish of course the most inveterate aversion towards all Muslims. This is the reason too why Hindu sciences have retired far away from those parts of the country conquered by us, and have fled to places which our hand cannot yet reach, to Kashmir, Benares, and other places.

Srivastava in 1950, wrote: [21]

To the Indian world of his day Mahmud was a veritable devil incarnate- a daring bandit, an avaricious plunderer, and wanton destroyer of Art. He plundered many dozens of…flourishing cities; he razed to the ground great temples which were wonderful works of art; he carried thousands of innocent women and children into slavery; he indulged in wanton massacre practically everywhere he went; and…he forcibly converted hundred of…unwilling people to Islam. A conqueror who leaves behind desolate towns and villages and dead bodies of innocent human beings cannot be remembered by posterity by any other title.

K.S. Lal believes that by the late 12th century, Muhammad Ghauri was consummately prepared for the conquest and rule of India. Well-elaborated theological justifications for jihad, and comprehensive writings on India’s geography and sociopolitical culture were readily available to him, complementing his powerful army of Turks, Persians, and Afghans.

He now possessed Alberuni’s India and Burhanuddin’s Hidayah, works which were not available to his predecessor invader. Alberuni’s enecyclopedic work provided to the Islamic world in the eleventh century all that was militarily advantageous to know about India. Equally important was the Hidayah, the most authentic work on the laws of Islam compiled by Shaikh Burhanuddin Ali in the twelfth century. These and similar works, and the military manuals like the Siyasat Nama and Adab-ul-Harb, made the Ghauris and their successors better equipped for the conquest and governance of non-Muslim India. There need be no doubt that such works were made available, meticulously studied and constantly referred to by scholars attached to the courts of Muslim conquerors and kings. [22]

Muhammad Ghauri launched his first expeditions against Multan and Gujarat (in 1175 and 1178 C.E., respectively). By 1191-92 C.E., following Ghauri’s defeat of a Rajput confederation under Prithviraj Chauhan (and Prithviraj Chauhan’s death),

Sirsuti, Samana, Kuhram, and Hansi were captured in quick succession with ruthless slaughter and a general destruction of temples, and their replacement by mosques. The Sultan then proceeded to Ajmer which too witnessed similar scenes. In Delhi an army of occupation was stationed at Indraprastha under the command of Qutub-ud-din Aibak who was to act as Ghauri’s lieutenant in Hindustan. Later on Aibak became the first Sultan of Delhi [23]

Qutub-ud-din Aibak’s accession in 1206 (consistent with Muhammad Ghauri’s desires and plans), marks the founding of the Delhi Sultanate.

Finally, the imposition of Islamic law upon the Hindu populations of India, i.e., their relegation to dhimmi status, beginning with the advent of Muslim rule in 8th century Sindh, had predictable consequences during both the Delhi Sultanate period (1206-1526 C.E.), and the Mughal Empire (1526-1707 C.E.). A.L. Srivastava highlights these germane features of Hindu status during the Delhi Sultanate: [24]

Throughout the period of the Sultanate of Delhi, Islam was the religion of the State. It was considered to be the duty of the Sultan and his government to defend and uphold the principles of this religion and to propagate them among the masses…even the most enlightened among them [the Sultans], like Muhammad bin Tughlaq, upheld the principles of their faith and refused permission to repair Hindu (or Buddhist) temples…Thus even during the reign of the so-called liberal-minded Sultans, the Hindus had no permission to build new temples or to repair old ones. Throughout the period, they were known as dhimmis, that is, people living under guarantee, and the guarantee was that they would enjoy restricted freedom in following their religion if they paid the jizya. The dhimmis were not to celebrate their religious rites openly…and never to do any propaganda on behalf of their religion. A number of disabilities were imposed upon them in matters of State employment and enjoyment of civic rights…It was a practice with the Sultans to destroy the Hindu temples and images therein. Firoz Tughlaq and Sikander Lodi prohibited Hindus from bathing at the ghats [river bank steps for ritual bathers] in the sacred rivers, and encouraged them in every possible way to embrace the Muslim religion. The converts were exempted from the jizya and given posts in the State service and even granted rewards in cash, or by grant of land. In short, there was not only no real freedom for the Hindus to follow their religion, but the state followed a policy of intolerance and persecution. The contemporary Muslim chronicles abound in detailed descriptions of desecration of images and destruction of temples and of the conversion of hundreds and thousands of the Hindus. [Hindu] religious buildings and places bear witness to the iconoclastic zeal of the Sultans and their followers. One has only to visit Ajmer, Mathura, Ayodhya, Banaras and other holy cities to see the half broken temples and images of those times with their heads, faces, hands and feet defaced and demolished.

Majumdar sees a continuum between the Delhi Sultanate and the subsequent Mughal Empire, regarding the status of the Hindus: [25]

So far as the Hindus were concerned, there was no improvement either in their material and moral conditions or in their relations with the Muslims. With the sole exception of Akbar, who sought to conciliate the Hindus by removing some of the glaring evils to which they were subjected, almost all other Mughal Emperors were notorious for their religious bigotry. The Muslim law which imposed many disabilities and indignities upon the Hindus…and thereby definitely gave them an inferior social and political status, as compared to the Muslims, was followed by these Mughal Emperors (and other Muslim rulers) with as much zeal as was displayed by their predecessors, the Sultans of Delhi. The climax was reached during the reign of Aurangzeb, who deliberately pursued the policy of destroying and desecrating Hindu temples and idols with a thoroughness unknown before or since.

Majumdar also makes this interesting juxtaposition of Hindu cultural advancement under the lengthy period of Muslim colonial rule, compared to the much shorter interval of British colonial rule: [26]

Judged by a similar standard, the patronage and cultivation of Hindu learning by the Muslims, or their contribution to the development of Hindu culture during their rule…pales into insignificance when compared with the achievements of the British rule…It is only by instituting such comparison that we can make an objective study of the condition of the Hindus under Muslim rule, and view it in its true perspective.
 
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All the people who lived hundreds of years ago, lived in a different more brutal time, people in the west, admire - Alexander, Caesar, Augustus - who killed far more people than Ghauri - the fact of the matter is modern morality cannot be placed on these warrior's. And I also believe there is great exaggeration on the brutality of these guys.

As they had many Hindu's who were in there governments and armies, why would they serve such brutal murderers of their co-religionists.
 
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The chief of Thanesar was…obstinate in his infidelity and denial of Allah, so the Sultan marched against him with his valiant warriors for the purpose of planting the standards of Islam and extirpating idolatry… The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously that the stream was discoloured, and people were unable to drink it… Praise be to Allah… for the honour he bestows upon Islam and Musalmans. [17]

[at Sirsawa] The Sultan summoned the most religiously disposed of his followers, and ordered them to attack the enemy immediately. Many infidels were consequently slain or taken prisoners in this sudden attack, and the Musalmans paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels… The friends of Allah searched the bodies of the slain for three whole days, in order to obtain booty

This is a common theme of the Islamic attacks of the time.

Fanaticism, brutality, genocides, rapine, enslavement.

"Peaceful and tolerant" my foot!

They got their due from the Mongols and others to some extent. I am not sure the accounts are balanced. Probably there is a lot more they need to repay and what is happening now is but a small installment of the dues of history.

Most Pakistanis are nothing but victims of that . They are not the perpetrators, just apologists of those who perpetrated all this on their own forefathers!
 
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^^^i agree...he was still better than modern day rulers...he had some morals and balls to fight in face
 
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All the people who lived hundreds of years ago, lived in a different more brutal time, people in the west, admire - Alexander, Caesar, Augustus - who killed far more people than Ghauri - the fact of the matter is modern morality cannot be placed on these warrior's. And I also believe there is great exaggeration on the brutality of these guys.

As they had many Hindu's who were in there governments and armies, why would they serve such brutal murderers of their co-religionists.

Rafi thats a excuse for his deeds..... if we go by that logic then all the works of prophet himself goes in vain because those were tough times. we can say that he wasted time just because people were nutcase back then and shut ourself....


just because others do it does not make it justified
 
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Rafi thats a excuse for his deeds..... if we go by that logic then all the works of prophet himself goes in vain because those were tough times. we can say that he wasted time just because people were nutcase back then and shut ourself....


just because others do it does not make it justified

You cannot compare the Prophet to ordinary mortals, and it would be a deep insult to any Muslims to attempt to do so.
 
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All the people who lived hundreds of years ago, lived in a different more brutal time, people in the west, admire - Alexander, Caesar, Augustus - who killed far more people than Ghauri - the fact of the matter is modern morality cannot be placed on these warrior's.

Yes, there were other brutes in history.

Islam was supposed to bring compassion and mercy of Allah!

This was the golden period of Islam, that all Muslims want to return to.

And I also believe there is great exaggeration on the brutality of these guys.

It has been recorded with great glee by the Muslim historians who accompanied these brutes.

If they exaggerated it, it still shows their morality and what they considered glorious.

As they had many Hindu's who were in there governments and armies, why would they serve such brutal murderers of their co-religionists.

Millions of Chinese served the Japanese as late as WW-2 when they were murdering 20 million Chinese.

Muslims and Arabs served the Mongols when they were perpetrating genocides on them the likes of which never took place in history.

BTW, Hindus served relatively benign Muslim rulers.

Few countries gave them a fight such as they received in India and they were finally vanquished in India by the Hindus.
 
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This is a common theme of the Islamic attacks of the time.

Fanaticism, brutality, genocides, rapine, enslavement.

"Peaceful and tolerant" my foot!

They got their due from the Mongols and others o some extent. I am not sure the accounts are balanced. Probably there is a lo more they need to repay and what is happening now is but a small installment of the dues of history.

Most Pakistanis are nothing but victims of that . They are not the perpetrators, just apologists of those who perpetrated all this on their own forefathers!

As I mentioned in the other thread, I am a Jatt, my people opposed Ghauri at the time, but it was because of his campaign that the Sufi that ultimately converted my Clan to Islam was able to freely propagate the new faith.
 
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Yes, there were other brutes in history.

Islam was supposed to bring compassion and mercy of Allah!

This was the golden period of Islam, that all Muslims want to return to.



It has been recorded with great glee by the Muslim historians who accompanied these brutes.

If they exaggerated it, it still shows their morality and what they considered glorious.



Millions of Chinese served the Japanese as late as WW-2 when they were murdering 20 million Chinese.

Muslims and Arabs served the Mongols when they were perpetrating genocides on them the likes of which never took place in history.

BTW, Hindus served relatively benign Muslim rulers.

Few countries gave them a fight such as they received in India and they were finally vanquished in India by the Hindus.

Your mistaken Pakistan and Bangladesh exist, and more than 10% of indian's are Muslim so they have not been vanquished at all :)
 
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The majority of indian kings of that time were also brutes, to think that these kings had to be cunning and cruel to retain there birthrights, and the modern indian belief that they were some sort of hippy Ghandiesq rulers has no truth in reality.
 
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As I mentioned in the other thread, I am a Jatt, my people opposed Ghauri at the time, but it was because of his campaign that the Sufi that ultimately converted my Clan to Islam was able to freely propagate the new faith.

So you feel compelled to glorify someone who massacred, raped and enslaved your ancestors, destroyed their worship places and generally persecuted them?

Yes, you lost your religion and civilization and became a fake Arab.

If you want to be grateful for that, I give a damn.

I see him and his ilk by his actions and they were the worst of humanity.
 
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Most indian Muslims would also admire Ghauri and call him a warrior.
 
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Mohammad Ghauri was a Muslim invader, who looted,killed,raped and forcibly converted the Hindus to spread the message of Islam.
 
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Your mistaken Pakistan and Bangladesh exist, and more than 10% of indian's are Muslim so they have not been vanquished at all :)

You mean Spain model is the only one what you consider "vanquishing"!

Indian Hindus had won over the country from the Muslim invaders. That is what I call "vanquished".

(Undivided) Indian Muslims are mostly converts. We don't have issues with what religion they practice.
 
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Most indian Muslims would also admire Ghauri and call him a warrior.

Rafi actually they dont but there is great admiration for Akbar, qasim and all.... now please you also dont start that just to please hindu master stuff.
 
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