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Mr Musharraf said that Washington should blame its own ‘inconsistent’ policies

Hi,

Musharraf's not doffing off the uniform issue has come up again. Just like little children, ' oh, you told me that you would take me to disneyland next year dad'. Guess what---I lost my job, I am making minimum wage---I can hardly put food on the table----the enemy across the border has raised its threat level---they own these new shiny messengers of death and destruction----puritans have also come alive with their death threat and destruction agenda----oppurtunists have become the spokesperson of the radicals---the level playing field is changing continuously----son---things are different now---wake up.
We are going through a time warp at this moment. There is a smell of deceit, deception and decay of death and disease in the air. What seems birght and shiny is not the glitter of gold but the copper plate of the ied.

And as always I say that my lovely / wondeful countrymen have a strange sense of showing their nationalism and duty and honour and self-righteousness right when 'death' is staring at us right across from the border. I don't know where this honor and duty suddenly disappers when they go to work from 8 to 4.

Energon,

You are wrong sir----america chose not to know about afghanistan and made it a matter of convinience---a convinient loss of memory---of easily forgetting about it---as a matter of fact america lied to itself and the americans, to its millitary and all involved about afghanistan----anybody and everybody knew about the deceit and death traps and treachery that lay about in afghanistan's soil----but no---the neo cons and chest thumpers wanted it their way----the high tech america---pin point laser guided bombs, bunker busters that could penetrate 10 feet thick concrete, daisy cutters that could suck air out of 5000 sq yds area---shock and awe---and after all that---when they woke up from their slumber after 5 years---they found out that the warrior at the other end was the same old afghan freedom fighter who had been re-named as taliban----the turban had been changed to standard black, but other than that the Ak 47 was the same vintage and the amount of their daily dosage of opium, to take the edge of their fear, the quality has remained superior as ever.

There is no hindsight 20/20 issue over here----it is typical arrogance in this case as well as at the time of cold war and who was the criminal at that time---the team of Bill and Hillary and the democrats---the democrats can be as arrogant as the republicans----plus the american act different when they are dealing with weak nations, poor people, un-cultured masses----screw them---let them be---they are of no economic value----go kill each other----cold war is finished---there are no more enemies---we have killed and neutralized all enemies and opposition---there are no more threats----old school thinkers---let us get rid of old school thinkers---we don't need them---somebody take these negative thinkers, the doom sayers---take them all away.

And guess what---on his last presidential trip to india and pakistan the Great Bill Clinton---in his total arrogance---snubbed and humiliated Pervez Musharraf in front of the world--when he came to pakistan---he made sure that he would not shake the hands of Gen Musharraf and he didnot and it was on tv and I saw it and remember it like daylight.
Bill Clinton stated that he would not shake the dictator's hand at that time.

Now it is war in afghanistan---Musharraf is the most trusted ally---Bill clinton visits pakistan as an ex president----shakes Musharraf's hand and praises his stance and thanks him for his courage, conviction and support of the U S troops. What an about turn----but then nobody critisized him in america or anywhere---it was understood that it was the need of the hour.

When would the pakistanis realize and wake up and understand that " RULES ARE MADE FOR FOOLS. BRAVE MEN MAKE THEM AND BRAVE MEN BREAK THEM" as long at issue is a non criminal act and national interest is formemost.
 
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TO SAVE PAKISTAN FROM terror and uncertanity , WE (pakistani s)---- CERTNLY dont need cia , i nstalled and dictated , and sponsred politicians TO RUIN PAKISTAN ON THE NAME of D+E+M+O+c+R+C+y???
 
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inconsistent policies...

US 'behind Taliban attacks in Pakistan'
Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:40:05

The United States is behind the recent surge in Taliban activities and terrorist attacks in Pakistan, an Afghan official has said.

“The US has adopted a new policy of encouraging the Taliban to engage in clashes with Pakistani troops in a bid to reduce the militants' activities in Afghanistan,” an Afghan official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told the IRIB.

Meanwhile a Pakistani security official told the IRIB that as Taliban insurgents receive their logistical support from militants in Pakistan, by inciting clashes between Taliban guerillas and Pakistani forces in Afghanistan, Washington is seeking to cut the logistical support for the Taliban in Afghanistan.

He added that in this way the US would be able to reduce the pressure on NATO and US troops in Afghanistan.

The strategy might also weaken the Taliban to the point that it is forced to end its attacks against the coalition troops, the official concluded.
 
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i agree to this to some extend but to say that US is trying to weaken Taliban in this way we cant fully believe it.
But why US is encouraging sabotage activities through these terrorists ( i would not say Taliban as they were never against Pakistan) is understandable.
And these terrorists are being promoted to create chaos in Pakistan to engage our agencies and army so that sinister plans can be accomplished to weaken and disintegrate Pakistan and in broader view to weaken the entire Islamic world.
On political front the same country has created another mess first promoted Musharraf and after feeling that Musharraf had ruined the entire agenda of US to subdue our army and role back nuke programmme and going all out in tribal areas, it has changed the faces and now promoting BB while at the same time pressurizing Nawaz Sharif to stay out of it.
Because a country confronted with internal problems with its army and intelligence engaged in cleaning the terrorists and the same time a headless state is in interest of US same as it had made Afghanistan and Iraq head-less states.
 
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i agree to this to some extend but to say that US is trying to weaken Taliban in this way we cant fully believe it.
But why US is encouraging sabotage activities through these terrorists ( i would not say Taliban as they were never against Pakistan) is understandable.
And these terrorists are being promoted to create chaos in Pakistan to engage our agencies and army so that sinister plans can be accomplished to weaken and disintegrate Pakistan and in broader view to weaken the entire Islamic world.

The US isn't "promoting" chaos in Pakistan; that completely negates the primary intention.

The threat of disintegration posed by the radicals is a self sustaining one fueled by the leaders of those groups who have also sworn to bring harm to the west.
 
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The US isn't "promoting" chaos in Pakistan; that completely negates the primary intention.

The threat of disintegration posed by the radicals is a self sustaining one fueled by the leaders of those groups who have also sworn to bring harm to the west.

sir, with all due respect to your out-burst all evidence proves that the U.S is in deed behind this if you go to see then it is quiet obvious that a chaotic situation in Pakistan which keeps the troops engage will have an adverse effect on their moral as a whole can even encourage mutiny in the Arm-forces which would be the perfect opportunity to capitalize and demoralize the Pak Army would also make it much easier for an U.S controlled puppet civilian govt to be installed in Islamabad would make the nuclear seize all the more easy then conflict in the frontier plus separatist movements in Baluchistan killing of Chinese official's to stop them from reaching the sensitives OIL-passage oil rich lane of the Persian gulf the Strait of Hormuz oucchhh sorry its quiet clear why the U.S is sponsoring the impostor taleban

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who are nothing but terrorists or should i say crooks under the pay roll of the CIA, mo-sad, RAW, M16 etc . this is an open fact may ALLAH protect Pakistan amin.
:pakistan: zindabad
 
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If the US can cause chaos in Pakistan, then Pakistanis are weak!

Are you ready to accept that there is no Pak politician/ organisation who/which can ensure that is not the case?
 
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sir, with all due respect to your out-burst all evidence proves that the U.S is in deed behind this if you go to see then it is quiet obvious that a chaotic situation in Pakistan which keeps the troops engage will have an adverse effect on their moral as a whole can even encourage mutiny in the Arm-forces which would be the perfect opportunity to capitalize and demoralize the Pak Army would also make it much easier for an U.S controlled puppet civilian govt to be installed in Islamabad would make the nuclear seize all the more easy then conflict in the frontier plus separatist movements in Baluchistan killing of Chinese official's to stop them from reaching the sensitives OIL-passage oil rich lane of the Persian gulf the Strait of Hormuz oucchhh sorry its quiet clear why the U.S is sponsoring the impostor taleban

eg : Learn Arabic Online-spoken Arabic language instruction proven effective. Learn to speak Arabic today!

who are nothing but terrorists or should i say crooks under the pay roll of the CIA, mo-sad, RAW, M16 etc . this is an open fact may ALLAH protect Pakistan amin.
:pakistan: zindabad
There are so many factual incongruencies here that I don't know where to begin.
 
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Agree completely with Agnostic Muslim, disagree completely with Sana Sheikh.

Retiring from the Army in 2007 instead of 2004 and you now assume that he will wait three years for everything. Musharraf has improved Pakistan tenfold, moreso than even Ayub Khan. And since 1951, Pakistan has had three good and dedicated governments. The two secular Ayub Khan and Pervez Musharraf and the Islamist Zia. They were all of the Army. Name any leader who hasn't sometime had to go back on their words? Even Jinnah did. This man is the most dedicated leader of Pakistan. Most people who criticise him (other than Imran Khan) don't look at any of his plus points.
 
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If the US can cause chaos in Pakistan, then Pakistanis are weak!

Are you ready to accept that there is no Pak politician/ organisation who/which can ensure that is not the case?
First of all, the idea of USA wanting to cause chaos is Pakistan is beyond ridiculous.

The USA is spending billions of hard earned tax payer's dollars to ensure that Pakistan doesn't infact disintigrate and turn into another Afghanistan.
 
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First of all, the idea of USA wanting to cause chaos is Pakistan is beyond ridiculous.

The USA is spending billions of hard earned tax payer's dollars to ensure that Pakistan doesn't infact disintigrate and turn into another Afghanistan.

its not beyond ridiculous but the sheer desire of Washington withins the realms of a more sinister policy of depriving Pakistan of its nuclear power capabilities plain & simple.
 
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its not beyond ridiculous but the sheer desire of Washington withins the realms of a more sinister policy of depriving Pakistan of its nuclear power capabilities plain & simple.

What sort of "depriving" is there to do when Pakistan has already acquired nuclear capabilities?

The problem is having a nuclear capable state digress into total chaos and anarchy... this is unacceptable to the USA, who in order to prevent this from happening has been pouring in billions of dollars into Pakistan, iatrogenically propping up its economy and funding the army to fight the groups of the lawless tribal areas.
 
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THERE ARE PEOPLE IN I-S-I WHO BELIEVE THAT AMERICANS ARE BEHIND ALL THAT WHICH IS HAPENNING IN TRIBAL AREAS AND THE REST OF NATION.
FROM IRAQ THERE ARE LESSONS TO BE LEARNED.
USA ONCE SUPPORTED THE SADDAM HUSSAIN . AND IF I M RIGHT USA ALSO PROVIDED THE CHEMICAL WEPONS WHICH WERE USED AGAINST KURDS.
THERE IS ALWAYS A SUPISION IN ANY USA's DEALING.
WHEN JOHN KARRY IN A DEBATE ASKED CONDILLZA RITZ ABOUT THE **** NUKES
SHE REPLIED " WE HAVE PLANS FOR IT " ..
CAN ANY BODY EXPLAIN WHICH KIND OF PLANS

genmirajborgza786 MADE A VERY GOOD POINT

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" the U.S is in deed behind this if you go to see then it is quiet obvious that a chaotic situation in Pakistan which keeps the troops engage will have an adverse effect on their moral as a whole can even encourage mutiny in the Arm-forces which would be the perfect opportunity to capitalize and demoralize the Pak Army would also make it much easier for an U.S controlled puppet civilian govt to be installed in Islamabad would make the nuclear seize all the more easy then conflict in the frontier plus separatist movements in Baluchistan killing of Chinese official's to stop them from reaching the sensitives OIL-passage oil rich lane of the Persian gulf the Strait of Hormuz oucchhh sorry its quiet clear why the U.S is sponsoring the impostor taleban

eg : Learn Arabic Online-spoken Arabic language instruction proven effective. Learn to speak Arabic today!

who are nothing but terrorists or should i say crooks under the pay roll of the CIA, mo-sad, RAW, M16 etc "
THE SUCIDE ATTACKS ON KEY INTELLIGENCE AREAS WILL DEFINATELY PROMOTE MUTINY IN ARMED FORCES . PLUS THESE ARE WELL PLANNED AND COULD ONLY BE CARRIED OUT BY THOSE WHO KNEW THEIR FLAWS. TALIBAN OR ALQAIDA NEVER HAD SUCH CAPABILITY.
AND THE KILLING OF CHINESE . CHINA IS NOT ENGAGED IN ANY ACTIVITY AGAINST ANY
MUSLIM IN THE WORLD . THEN WHY WE ARE WITNESSING KILLING OF THE CHINESE..

SOME INTELLIGENCE AGENTS SAY THAT ISRAEL AND INDIA FUNDED THE BUGTI TO CARRY OUT OPERATIONS AGAINST PAKARMY IN BALOCHISTAN..

AFTER ALL THIS EVEN A KID CAN KNOW ITS TRUE ENEMY .
 
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