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Kırıkkale Mkek İşçisinden Milli Piyade Tüfeği Eylemi


Alot of good that praying did huh, you corrupt lying phucks.

 

[Nefer]

Kırıkkale Mkek İşçisinden Milli Piyade Tüfeği Eylemi


Alot of good that praying did huh, you corrupt lying phucks.

Any announcements on which company is gona produce the guns?

 

[SouI]

Kırıkkale Mkek İşçisinden Milli Piyade Tüfeği Eylemi


Alot of good that praying did huh, you corrupt lying phucks.

What's up with that protest and them being corrupt? What did they do?

 

[Stimpy75]

guess(and hope!) it will be kalekalip,last year i ve read in one of the turkish defence magazines,that kalekalip was given the permission to sell arms by the government

 

[cabatli_53]

Same MKEK mentality have been unfortunately proceeding since decades and their unprofessional workers/engineers who suppose such a big institute as bread and butter of themselves instead of aiming to serve innovation of country. That's why Those guys developed 2-3 different type of MPT prototypes which is failed on trials until Kalekalip actively put noses to design mechanisms again. If you ask me, I prefer to transfer modern production brands of MKEK to KaleKalip in order to put a red line on the name of MKEK.

 

[SouI]

Same MKEK mentality have been unfortunately proceeding since decades and their unprofessional workers/engineers who suppose such a big institute as bread and butter of themselves instead of aiming to serve innovation of country. That's why Those guys developed 2-3 different type of MPT prototypes which is failed on trials until Kalekalip actively put noses to design mechanisms again. If you ask me, I prefer to transfer modern production brands of MKEK to KaleKalip in order to put a red line on the name of MKEK.

But Davutoglu said that a joint production schedule is being planned including also MKE into the project.

 

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So much Arge Guyz

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkey to start mass production of national infantry rifleBaku. Rashad Suleymanov – APA. Turkey’s Defense Industry Executive Committee has decided to start mass production of the MPT-76 National Infantry Rifle, which will replace the G-3 rifle in the army’s inventory, APAreports.

In first stage, according to Turkish sources, 35,000 MPT-76 infantry rifles will be produced for the Turkish Armed Forces. A number of private companies will also take part in the production process which has to be carried out by the Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation (MKE).

According to information, Azerbaijan too has made a request to participate in the project in order to replace old the army’s old rifles.

Meanwhile, the MKE told APA that the MPT rifle will be put to the test this year in Azerbaijan.

92 cm in length, 4.3 kg in weight, the MPT-76 infantry rifle is designed to use 7.62x51 or 5.56x45 mm NATO cartridges. With a fire rate of 600 meters, the rifle has the Picatinny rail which allows setting up various optic sights, lasers and flashlights on it. The rifle has undergone 42 different tests in Turkey. The Turkish Armed Forces is planning to replace more than 500,000 G-3 rifles in its armament with MPT-76 rifles.

http://en.apa.az/xeber_turkey_to_sta...io_221460.html

 

[Saifullah]

what is the benefit of this rifle for Army i.e improvement w.r.t G3
G3 is more reliable,more accurate,more better designed,sturdy and uses the same 7.62NATO round.
So whats the new benefit of this rifle really ?

 

[Hakan]

what is the benefit of this rifle for Army i.e improvement w.r.t G3
G3 is more reliable,more accurate,more better designed,sturdy and uses the same 7.62NATO round.
So whats the new benefit of this rifle really ?

Its probably better than the G-3 which is why its replacing it but imo it can't be much better just like you said except for the fact that it has rails and a telescoping stock.

Turkey will be using a rifle that was designed in the 20th century and later modified by MKEK and Kale to operate in the 21st century. Average joes on the street will look at Turkish soldiers thinking that they are using the "american rifle", this gives Turkey a negative image and makes it look like a dependent country instead of the strong independent country it wishes to portray itself as.Hopefully people will get tricked with the carrying handle and grip thingy in front of the magazine area and think its a 100% turkish design.

In 10-15 years many countries will have futuristic looking bullpups or other advanced rifles when turkish troops will still be walking around with AR's.

This is a failed program imo. Money was put into a national infantry rifle project and the end result is a modified AR-10.

Edit: Maybe the term failed program is a little tough but you know im not too happy with the program overall. It started in what 2006-2007 and then we saw some HK-416 and eventually we ended up with MPT-76 which had issues but was then rescued by kale. Good thing though is that the rifle has passed 40+ tests and the military is happy with it.

 

[atatwolf]

Its probably better than the G-3 which is why its replacing it but imo it can't be much better just like you said except for the fact that it has rails and a telescoping stock.

Turkey will be using a rifle that was designed in the 20th century and later modified by MKEK and Kale to operate in the 21st century. Average joes on the street will look at Turkish soldiers thinking that they are using the "american rifle", this gives Turkey a negative image and makes it look like a dependent country instead of the strong independent country it wishes to portray itself as.Hopefully people will get tricked with the carrying handle and grip thingy in front of the magazine area and think its a 100% turkish design.

In 10-15 years many countries will have futuristic looking bullpups or other advanced rifles when turkish troops will still be walking around with AR's.

This is a failed program imo. Money was put into a national infantry rifle project and the end result is a modified AR-10.

Bull pups have their advantages. Like they are shorter which might give you the edge in close encounters and other advantages like looking cool. Personally I think they went for AR because it is low maintenance weapon. It won't break down or it doesn't need a lot of maintenance compared to bull pups. Also going for completely new weapon will come with huge RSD costs which would make the gun very expensive. Turkish market is not big enough to allocate those indirect costs so I think buying a license was the best choice. There is no need for reinventing the wheel while there are good options out there. I mean even the Russian AK-47 and American M-4 are copies of the German StG 44. There is nothing wrong with borrowing successful concepts.

 

[Zarvan]

Its probably better than the G-3 which is why its replacing it but imo it can't be much better just like you said except for the fact that it has rails and a telescoping stock.

Turkey will be using a rifle that was designed in the 20th century and later modified by MKEK and Kale to operate in the 21st century. Average joes on the street will look at Turkish soldiers thinking that they are using the "american rifle", this gives Turkey a negative image and makes it look like a dependent country instead of the strong independent country it wishes to portray itself as.Hopefully people will get tricked with the carrying handle and grip thingy in front of the magazine area and think its a 100% turkish design.

In 10-15 years many countries will have futuristic looking bullpups or other advanced rifles when turkish troops will still be walking around with AR's.

This is a failed program imo. Money was put into a national infantry rifle project and the end result is a modified AR-10.

I think this would be at least twice better that isw why they chose it

 

[madmusti]

what is the benefit of this rifle for Army i.e improvement w.r.t G3
G3 is more reliable,more accurate,more better designed,sturdy and uses the same 7.62NATO round.
So whats the new benefit of this rifle really ?

"The rifle was reported to be extremely accurate, reliable, and had impressive knockdown power and outmatched the G3 in all categories"

Turkish Army.


So what kind of B.S are you talking ? Again a same troll that we know ?

But there is more one way to knockdown you !

Why they will replace a G3 with a MPT-76 if it´s not better ?

 

[era_shield]

Bull pups have their advantages. Like they are shorter which might give you the edge in close encounters and other advantages like looking cool. Personally I think they went for AR because it is low maintenance weapon. It won't break down or it doesn't need a lot of maintenance compared to bull pups. Also going for completely new weapon will come with huge RSD costs which would make the gun very expensive. Turkish market is not big enough to allocate those indirect costs so I think buying a license was the best choice. There is no need for reinventing the wheel while there are good options out there. I mean even the Russian AK-47 and American M-4 are copies of the German StG 44. There is nothing wrong with borrowing successful concepts.

Exactly. Even with close quarters combat, many special ops teams prefer using a non-bullpup M4 over a bullpup. And most armies haven't switched to bullpup even though they could have. There just isn't that much benefit (and some disadvantages, too).

 

[Hakan]

Personally I think they went for AR because it is low maintenance weapon. It won't break down or it doesn't need a lot of maintenance compared to bull pups.

I personally don't like the Ar, in recent years there have been improvements to it to help make it more reliable but still its not my favorite because when you have a malfunction and need to disassemble your rifle there are several pins that you have to remove and can thus potentially lose if your getting shot at and artillery is exploding around you. The Ak and G3 are easier to disassemble imo than an AR. Especially the AK. When it comes to reliability the AK platform is superb and personally if MKEK had built something off of the Ak platform I would be pretty happy because I know for sure that the troops will have an extremely reliable gun and if there is a malfunction while they are in northern iraq in deep snow they don't have to worry about losing any pins, all they do is take the dust cover off and bang the ak against a rock to get any debris out and then continue fighting. The israeli galil was based off of the Ak and it was highly successful. Poland made the beryl which is a really nice AK. I got to hold one a few times and the quality was very nice.

Also going for completely new weapon will come with huge RSD costs which would make the gun very expensive.

I don't know how much it costs to develop a rifle of this type on average but here it says 18.6 million liras (2013) was spent on the program. IMO we could have gotten something better for that cost.

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There is no need for reinventing the wheel while there are good options out there. I mean even the Russian AK-47 and American M-4 are copies of the German StG 44. There is nothing wrong with borrowing successful concepts.

Ak and ar are just assault rifles thats pretty much all they have in common with stg 44

Personally I would have went with the AK platform instead of the AR platform if I had to choose from an existing design. The Ak's mechanism can be used in a bullpup rifle so you get the reliability of an ak and the benefits of a bullpup. Only people who know about weapons would have any clue that it isn't a 100% indigenous design.
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Im not saying the MPT-76 is a bad rifle, it passed all of the tests so that means that it must be pretty good and also other countries are interested in it. Im just trying to give my opinion on how things could have been different but at the end of the day these things go according to the TSK's requirements not mine or yours. (Thats @damm1t's line)