Mousavi Says He Won't Give Up Fight Against Iranian Regime

[Hussein]

I think that most would agree that the SCO is not an organization with teeth - or even designed to have any. Few can articulate to you if it has any real purpose in the real world (other than a nefarious aim to keep Uncle and NATO "in check" - against what is anything but clear), let alone how the "purpose" translates into executions.

I can also tell you that my gut feeling is that your real friends lie more to your immediate West (Turkey) and to your immediate East (Pakistan) than you realize.

China, Russia, (and India) are tools. Useful tools I may add. And we do mean you well - but don't wait on any "statements".

For I have been waiting on a "statement" yet myself on my "issues" (saddened chuckle ) ...

I will say no mo.

Thank you for your answers. And especially for your friendly way of writing i appreciate very much.

About SCO i would wish it would be alternative to NATO. NATO doing much more than Europe security. Maybe it is due to weakness of UNO

About who we are. I understand. You know that now when you go Iran they ask you your facebook and check. Hey you are living in Canada. You know some people say being green when they are royalists, communists, and so.

About who is Mousavi? I didn't know him personaly but i know he left politics for a long time. He was conservative . Very near ideas of Khomeiny.
About "Plutocracy vs (national) socialism". Indeed it is not the matter in Iran. The real matter is very difficult to understand with medias outside.
Here are a few points:
- reformist is not more linked to rich people than conservative. reformist is not a parti. most of rich people are linked to power: from sepah to governement but many are from around Khamenei.
- iran is very much plutocraty today; khamenei is getting a lot of money from different organisations: Mecca and religious sites organisation travel, taking part of benefits from foreign companies even French ones, and so. Sepah is getting more and more business: ressources, real estate like the business center of Tehran, Telecom company. You can see in Iran people who are really rich and peole who are really poor , and for exemple there is a special mariage of one day or more days ... if someone rich wants to pay he can take a "prostitute" and marry so he can officially have right to do sexual acts in islamic "morality". it increased a lot and many officials are doing it.
- around Ahmadinejad lot of family took positions even in industry. Husband of sister was responsible of election organisation (not the guardians but to take care election process ), 27yo son of his best friend is boss of saipa which makes lot of noise since he didn't have the competences at all. when he became first elected he deleted what Khomeiny created: the budget independant commission so he can use money as he wants.
- before elections Janati and Yazdi said it was needed to cheat elections to save Islam and IRI.
- everyone was afraid small cheat so people go massively vote and you know the result
- all grand ayatollahs the real ones (not the three political designed ones; i mean the grand ayatollahs who got all the studies ) are against repression and ask to save IRI by giving back power to people choices
- the heros of revolution and families like the most famous one Beheshti are supporting green movment because like most people they strongly believe the IRI of Khomeiny was betrayed
- Khomeiny always said the leader is not absolute power and that's why IRI is very complicated when the system is respected. But Since Khamenei it changed a lot: first guardians are all choosed by him when it was only half before. budget for exemple but lot of commissions of experts which are not religious 'Khomeiny said religious care about religious matters only' .. they were canceled
- some bassijis were playing dangerous games like ansar e hezbollah who is beating and killing people who are not the same way of ideas like Khamenei. And Khamenei gave position to Mesbah Yazdi to the formation of the bassijis , the spiritual formation. After the war this organisation changed a lot. I remember we asked bassijis to give back weapons that they are not even today allowed to have. but you can see in pictures well shown what they have
- green is not against IRI but wants come back to ideas of IRI from Khomeiny and the idea of a republic with real elections.
Iran transformed in a military / Khamenei total power. But people in the street hate so much that the society in iran is getting in big trouble.
That's a difference with China maybe: in your country maybe people are happy because you have the best economy. People are nationalist? People are nationalist in Iran but nationalism conducts them to be against governement since government gave money freely to many countries to pay their support, sell cheap ressources to russia and china, and especially accept to stand next to "arabian gulf" writings. economy is very bad too.

Don't know what will happen. People hate this governement by 80% at least people. The bassijis who still support them because they are paid 200 dollars for getting in the streets when asked.. they are not representative of a free will.
So it can change for soft way and respect IRI and everyone by finishing the crazy way of killing ... or the revolution is near. But if revolution i am scared that some countries or minority groupes would take benefits.
I am as well scared any suport of shah. his group of supporters is very much violent in ideas: anti arab, anti russia, anti china, anti Islam.
We don't forget Mossadegh you know. it 's deep inside us that we don't want any country to cheat us.

We are small countries in the region. We need to be united and see neither West or East as the only friend but partners.

about business in Iran i know the representative of one big company , american company in Dubaï. He is conservative minded but he would be reformist minded if they got real power . He is making business in Iran when he couldn't make it. It is not the problem USA are letting it. It's just they don't know about it. Another funny point; you know that Coca cola is allowed in Iran? you know why? because Rafsandjani, who is conservative, is taking care of business in his time.
So don't worry conservatives make really much money even with Europe and USA

 

[oceanx]

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- green is not against IRI but wants come back to ideas of IRI from Khomeiny and the idea of a republic with real elections.
Iran transformed in a military / Khamenei total power. But people in the street hate so much that the society in iran is getting in big trouble.
That's a difference with China maybe: in your country maybe people are happy because you have the best economy. People are nationalist? People are nationalist in Iran but nationalism conducts them to be against governement since government gave money freely to many countries to pay their support, sell cheap ressources to russia and china, and especially accept to stand next to "arabian gulf" writings. economy is very bad too.

Don't know what will happen. People hate this governement by 80% at least people. The bassijis who still support them because they are paid 200 dollars for getting in the streets when asked.. they are not representative of a free will.
So it can change for soft way and respect IRI and everyone by finishing the crazy way of killing ... or the revolution is near. But if revolution i am scared that some countries or minority groupes would take benefits.
I am as well scared any suport of shah. his group of supporters is very much violent in ideas: anti arab, anti russia, anti china, anti Islam.
We don't forget Mossadegh you know. it 's deep inside us that we don't want any country to cheat us.

We are small countries in the region. We need to be united and see neither West or East as the only friend but partners.

about business in Iran i know the representative of one big company , american company in Dubaï. He is conservative minded but he would be reformist minded if they got real power . He is making business in Iran when he couldn't make it. It is not the problem USA are letting it. It's just they don't know about it. Another funny point; you know that Coca cola is allowed in Iran? you know why? because Rafsandjani, who is conservative, is taking care of business in his time.
So don't worry conservatives make really much money even with Europe and USA

Thanks for informing - in a sincere and balanced attempt. No one knows whether the Iranian Revolution has reached a "Thermidor" moment (to paraphrase an article I posted before).

And don't assume that people inside China are "happy" or even that they have what is close to a "satisfactory" economy. Things have improved, but remain fragile. And everyone there knows it.

Even the most pompous Jingo on these boards will privately/openly admit these things to you (if asked the "right way"). And facts are plain for all to see.

I do like your "neither east, nor west" slogan back from the Revolutionary days, btw.

I hope things work out. The Sovereign works in mysterious ways.

 

[Thomas]

Self delete...accidentally posted on wrong thread

 

[Ahmad]

Be careful you persian slumdog. i never discuss with these 2, first zionists, second persians.

I thought racist remarks will get deleted in the forum.