MoU on China-Bhutan boundary talks 'breaks deadlock caused by India, paves way for diplomatic ties'

[SuvarnaTeja]

The Soviet-made buffer zone between China and the Soviet Union.

But Soviets were gone 30 years ago. Why does Mongolia still exists is beyond me. I do not think Russia will oppose if Mongolia joins China.

 

[OIO]

But Soviets were gone 30 years ago. Why does Mongolia still exists is beyond me. I do not think Russia will oppose if Mongolia joins China.

The Chinese government will not promote Mongolia's return to China at this stage. After Mongolia's independence, it has carried out a hostile education against China for many years. This still depends on Mongolia's own attitude. It will not change the status quo in the foreseeable future.

 

[Battlion25]

Bhutan has finally been shaked off from India which was the last remaining Indian regional ally

 

[MH.Yang]

If India ever wanted to take Bhutan we could do that without breaking a sweat. India took over Sikkim simply because the public opinion to join the Union was in our favor and the ruling chogyal dynasty was extremely unpopular resulting in riots on street.

Bhutan is a constitutional monarchy and there is absolutely no fear of India. Don't get excited over crappy Chinese propaganda papers.

China's HSR has reached Yadong County in Tibet next to Bhutan. Bhutan is now a popular tourist destination for the Chinese people, Bhutan has more than 10k Chinese tourists in 2019.
Chinese is well aware of Bhutanese dissatisfaction with India.

 

[rott]

China's HSR has reached Yadong County in Tibet next to Bhutan. Bhutan is now a popular tourist destination for the Chinese people, Bhutan has more than 10k Chinese tourists in 2019.
Chinese is well aware of Bhutanese dissatisfaction with India.

How will China remove the IA based in Bhutan without hurting the country?

 

[MH.Yang]

I never understood why Mongolia is a separate country. It makes no sense.

1, Mongolia's only valuable thing is minerals, and Mongolia's ore can only be sold to China. Mongolia cannot air transport ore, and Russia does not buy ore. Let Mongols to mine minerals can avoid many troubles, such as environmental protection, minimum wage and so on.
2, The income of Mongols is less than 10% of that of Chinese people. If Mongolia becomes a Chinese province, the Chinese government needs to spend a lot of money to help the poor.
3, After the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the relationship between China and Russia has been very good. Mongolia's strategic position is only useful when China wants to threaten Russia's Siberia, and we don't want to make the Russians feel threatened.
4, The most important point is that the Mongols are unwilling to accept PRC rule, and China is unwilling to repeat the mistakes made by USA in Afghanistan.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

The most important point is that the Mongols are unwilling to accept PRC rule

If I were a Mongol, I would join China in a heartbeat. What is their issue? Do they speak a different language and unwilling to learn Mandarin?

 

[Leishangthem]

How will China remove the IA based in Bhutan without hurting the country?

it is bhutan's decision to take .

1, Mongolia's only valuable thing is minerals, and Mongolia's ore can only be sold to China. Mongolia cannot air transport ore, and Russia does not buy ore. Let Mongols to mine minerals can avoid many troubles, such as environmental protection, minimum wage and so on.
2, The income of Mongols is less than 10% of that of Chinese people. If Mongolia becomes a Chinese province, the Chinese government needs to spend a lot of money to help the poor.
3, After the disintegration of the Soviet Union, the relationship between China and Russia has been very good. Mongolia's strategic position is only useful when China wants to threaten Russia's Siberia, and we don't want to make the Russians feel threatened.
4, The most important point is that the Mongols are unwilling to accept PRC rule, and China is unwilling to repeat the mistakes made by USA in Afghanistan.

In almost all of Central Asia ,so as to preserve their influence,the SOVIET UNION has filled anti-China venom through propaganda - tv,news,mass education to the previous generation which is still seeping.The Mongolians are worse off than HongKong rioters, they write in Russian instead of their own,they have no logic .Mongolians has fallen in next lvl degeneracy.Will Mexico agree to join USA despite USA's wealth and power? Mongolia's case is something like that. IMO, procuring vast region isn't always an asset unless it pays a strategic dividend since a great area would also spread manpower, resources and military. Is Mongolia worth it? may be or not.

 

[rott]

it is bhutan's decision to take .

In almost all of Central Asia ,so as to preserve their influence,the SOVIET UNION has filled anti-China venom through propaganda - tv,news,mass education to the previous generation which is still seeping,the Mongolians are worse off than HongKong rioters, they write in Russian instead of their own,they have no logic .Mongolians has fallen in next lvl degeneracy.Will Mexico agree to join USA despite USA's wealth and power? Mongolia's case is something like that. IMO, procuring vast region isn't always an asset unless it pays a strategic dividend since a great area would also spread manpower, resources and military. Is Mongolia worth it? may be or not.

I really appreciate your knowledge on China. Good going.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

it is bhutan's decision to take .

Agree. Unlike Nepal which has its own Military, I do not think Bhutan has its own military. So they may need to replace IA with PLA until they build their own military.

 

[MH.Yang]

Yeah no, millions of Nepalis working in India and who travel freely across would disagree. And yeah really, the Nepali communist party broke into two, their Prime Minister was ousted, Chinese envoy running back and forth to keep things together while we sat back and let it fall into place Democracies

More than 2 million Taiwanese work in the mainland, more than 10% of Taiwan's population. Do you think we will believe you?
Nepal hates Indians, especially after the earthquake. The cooperation between the Chinese and Nepalese governments has been very in-depth, and on October 12, 2019, China and Nepal have reached a strategic cooperation agreement, and China has actually agreed to protect Nepal from aggression by foreign forces. Next door to Nepal is rigze, a key city of the Tibet Military Region, where there are a large number of PLA. If Nepal needs it, the PLA will arrive in Nepal faster than the Indian army.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

In almost all of Central Asia ,so as to preserve their influence,the SOVIET UNION has filled anti-China venom through propaganda through tv,news,mass education to the previous generation which is still seeping,the Mongolians are worse off than HongKong, they write in fckn Russian instead of their own,they have no logic .Mongolians has fallen in next lvl degeneracy.Will Mexico agree to join USA despite USA's wealth and power? Mongolia's case is something like that. IMO, procuring vast region isn't always an asset unless it pays a strategic dividend since a great area would spreads manpower, resources and military. Is Mongolia worth it? may be or not.

But I think China can undo that with proper reeducation. If they are able to do it for Uyghurs in Xinjiang they should be able to do the same for Mongols in Mongolia. Mongols are genetically closer to Chinese than Uyghur Turks.

More than 2 million Taiwanese work in the mainland, more than 10% of Taiwan's population. Do you think we will believe you?
Nepal hates Indians, especially after the earthquake. The cooperation between the Chinese and Nepalese governments has been very in-depth, and on October 12, 2019, China and Nepal have reached a strategic cooperation agreement, and China has actually agreed to protect Nepal from aggression by foreign forces. Next door to Nepal is rigze, a key city of the Tibet Military Region, where there are a large number of PLA. If Nepal needs it, the PLA will arrive in Nepal faster than the Indian army.

I am amazed by your knowledge of South Asia. Yes Nepalese, Bhutanese and Sri Lankans hate India more than Pakistan and Bangladesh ever can.

 

[MH.Yang]

How will China remove the IA based in Bhutan without hurting the country?

China cannot and does not want to do it. Bhutan just wants to use China to gain more independence. They don't want to use China to replace India, because China is a stronger country than India. China also does not want to replace India, China only needs to prevent Bhutan from being annexed.
Bhutan's position is too threatening. If PLA really enters Bhutan, Indians will even consider using nuclear weapons. China does not want India to have no choice.

 

[rott]

China only needs to prevent Bhutan from being annexed.

How are they going to do that if push comes to shove? What if India does annex Bhutan? India will not use Nuclear weapons. Why would they? For a country that doesn't actually belong to them. Even if they do use Nuclear, how reliable is their delivery system? I don't think India will use Nukes.
China cannot help Bhutan without hurting the country. I seriously think Bhutan will be annexed because of China's Non-interference policy.

 

[MH.Yang]

If I were a Mongol, I would join China in a heartbeat. What is their issue? Do they speak a different language and unwilling to learn Mandarin?

it is bhutan's decision to take .

In almost all of Central Asia ,so as to preserve their influence,the SOVIET UNION has filled anti-China venom through propaganda - tv,news,mass education to the previous generation which is still seeping.The Mongolians are worse off than HongKong rioters, they write in Russian instead of their own,they have no logic .Mongolians has fallen in next lvl degeneracy.Will Mexico agree to join USA despite USA's wealth and power? Mongolia's case is something like that. IMO, procuring vast region isn't always an asset unless it pays a strategic dividend since a great area would also spread manpower, resources and military. Is Mongolia worth it? may be or not.

The relationship between China and Mongolia is very complex, and it can not be said that it all is the fault of Mongolia and the Soviet Union.
The Mongols taught their children that the Chinese were very unfriendly to the Mongols in history. This is a fact. In the era of imperialism of China, China was indeed unfriendly to the nomads north of the Great Wall.
In October 1945, the Mongols held an independent vote and decided to leave China. The Chinese are also willing to respect their choices.
The current situation in Mongolia is also in China's interests. This is the choice of the Mongols themselves, so the Chinese government has no moral burden. The current situation of Mongols also gives Chinese Mongols a sense of superiority, so Xinjiang and Tibet have separatist organization, but Chinese Mongols have no separatist organization.
Moreover, Mongolia can only rely on Russia to balance China's influence, and China does not mind Russia expanding its influence. The Mongolian govt is not stupid enough to go to find USA, and USA are not stupid enough to establish a base in Mongolia.