Motorway Police official & Army officers scuffle on the Motorway.

[django]

Weapons, hotheadedness and a feeling of being above the law by virtue of a uniform, no matter what kind, is a recipe for disaster. It is only a matter of time someone is shot or even killed. Behaving as a colonial occupying force or a colonial law agency 70 years after independence just shows the abysmal state of affairs of the State of Pakistan.

Do not judge an entire institution by the behavior of a few bad apples, this incident needs to be investigated, all the facts need to be ascertained only then can we come up with the appropriate response and conclusion.

 

[third eye]

One Army officer doesn't represent an institution as a whole, these are isolated events and i am sure he will have to pay for what he has done. No one is above the law, media is free and no one can just get away with it. Especially if he is an Army officer.

No trolling please.

Well both parties were on the wrong so it had to be done......and had these guys been regular troops they would have bells ringing already .......thy would have had their career done and dusted

Such incidents happen all the time on both sides of the Durand line. This is not the first nor shall it be the last .

There has always been a sense of mutual respect among all uniformed persons in the sub continent whereby they respected each other . With time this is eroding, the results are to show.

I'll take the Armed Forces first, the nature of their job entails a certain degree of aggressiveness and ' disdain' for established conventions. They would not succeed in war if they followed rules, please do not get me wrong this does not in any way imply they should flout the law of the land . However, its for the Police to ensure a Fauji is not treated as the rest & vice versa.

A Fauji has very high self esteem. In fact a young officer without the ' fire' in him is a misfit, he will lose men in battle. He does not take being belittled easily , more so by a traffic cop. I have seen countless instances where all a cop had to say was " Sahab" and the officer immediately apologised ( higher the man , the more humble he invariably is) . This exchange of words put to end what could have been a very ugly scenes. Remember both faujis & cops are a law unto themselves & loss of face hurts.

Now, for the Police, with time and political patronage ' its gone to their head'. In today's day & age money is the sole determinant of a man's status. A Policeman invariably has more ( ill gotten) money than a soldier . He therefore does not consider himself lesser than a soldier , in fact a notch or two higher. He also knows he can buy off his boss when in trouble, something a fauji cannot. Therefore all thats needed to be done is to create a scene & the media & Army Act will do the rest. He meanwhile gets himself transferred to another Thana.

All in all, while faujis ought not to take law in their own hands , the Cops too must realise that an Officer must not be treated as riff raff.

 

[-xXx-]

Such incidents happen all the time on both sides of the Durand line. This is not the first nor shall it be the last .

There has always been a sense of mutual respect among all uniformed persons in the sub continent whereby they respected each other . With time this is eroding, the results are to show.

I'll take the Armed Forces first, the nature of their job entails a certain degree of aggressiveness and ' disdain' for established conventions. They would not succeed in war if they followed rules, please do not get me wrong this does not in any way imply they should flout the law of the land . However, its for the Police to ensure a Fauji is not treated as the rest & vice versa.

A Fauji has very high self esteem. In fact a young officer without the ' fire' in him is a misfit, he will lose men in battle. He does not take being belittled easily , more so by a traffic cop. I have seen countless instances where all a cop had to say was " Sahab" and the officer immediately apologised ( higher the man , the more humble he invariably is) . This exchange of words put to end what could have been a very ugly scenes. Remember both faujis & cops are a law unto themselves & loss of face hurts.

Now, for the Police, with time and political patronage ' its gone to their head'. In today's day & age money is the sole determinant of a man's status. A Policeman invariably has more ( ill gotten) money than a soldier . He therefore does not consider himself lesser than a soldier , in fact a notch or two higher. He also knows he can buy off his boss when in trouble, something a fauji cannot. Therefore all thats needed to be done is to create a scene & the media & Army Act will do the rest. He meanwhile gets himself transferred to another Thana.

All in all, while faujis ought not to take law in their own hands , the Cops too must realise that an Officer must not be treated as riff raff.

A soldier in you has spoken.

 

[third eye]

@Icarus . . Your views on post # 199.

 

[RedHulk]

Talk in English please. This aint an 'urdu' forum. You are ignorant and probably havent been on twitter ever or not literate enough to know how to use it. PMLN media team is in full swing with Anti Army and Rangers rants all over twitter and other social media because of this incident. I bet you are one of them. This incident has already been peacefully resolved few days ago by MW Police and Army, it was PMLN's decision to bring it up to the limelight and target Army and Rangers.

I wish you could put you in front of 29 guns and fire them simultaneously.

lol. frustration I have been using Internet before you were even born. mIRC baba G Your thick head won't understand how justice is done. Am bigger hater of PMLN then you are. You should have born in Gora's house. FYI i had British housemates so don't tell me how to reply if you can't handle your own mother tongue. inferiority complex ka mara

 

[VCheng]

All in all, while faujis ought not to take law in their own hands , the Cops too must realise that an Officer must not be treated as riff raff.

Remember the High Court judge that created a scene at being stopped and searched when entering a controlled area? How was the Army guard supposed to know a real or fake judge? He must check every one. That is his duty.

Now consider the Motorway Police. They see speeding cars, who do not stop. What are they supposed to do? It is their duty to issue tickets to those violating the law. How would they know who is driving the vehicles?

What happened afterwards is just stupidity on top of stupidity, in typical Pakistani fashion.

 

[Imran Khan]

Remember the High Court judge that created a scene at being stopped and searched when entering a controlled area? How was the Army guard supposed to know a real or fake judge? He must check every one. That is his duty.

Now consider the Motorway Police. They see speeding cars, who do not stop. What are they supposed to do? It is their duty to issue tickets to those violating the law. How would they know who is driving the vehicles?

What happened afterwards is just stupidity on top of stupidity, in typical Pakistani fashion.

but good part of this drama was police ki chitrool

 

[Jaga Badmash]

This pic clearly indicates that matter was resolved mutually & the SM campaign was sinister to attack Pak army only

 

[Imran Khan]

lol. frustration I have been using Internet before you were even born. mIRC baba G Your thick head won't understand who justice is done. Am bigger hater of PMLN then you are. You should have born in Gora's house. FYI i had British housemates so don't tell me how to reply if you can't handle your own mother tongue. inferiority complex ka mara

bhai wo FIA waly kidher reh gaay ? i am still waiting for them .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

A Fauji has very high self esteem. In fact a young officer without the ' fire' in him is a misfit, he will lose men in battle. He does not take being belittled easily , more so by a traffic cop. I have seen countless instances where all a cop had to say was " Sahab" and the officer immediately apologised ( higher the man , the more humble he invariably is) . This exchange of words put to end what could have been a very ugly scenes. Remember both faujis & cops are a law unto themselves & loss of face hurts.

Rubbish. A good soldier is not crazy brute. A good soldier is disciplined in adverse circumstance, stay cool in chaos, calm in face of hostile conditions. Some of the greatest armies in the world which actually won countless battles exhibit these qualities. Let us take the British Army. It has fought, won and lost battles all over the globe - it was at the forefront of building a empire that the sun never set on.

However in every tangle between British Police and British Army the police reigns supreme. No British officer, even if he was commanding a elite armoured division, at head of a column of 200 Challanger Tanks, 400 Warrior APCs and 800 vehicles, 10,000 armed soldiers dare push a single humble motorway police constable.

The reason is the principle of rule of law is sacred and deeply ingrained in society. When this is trampled on the entire society loses out.That is why we can't ever let due process be compromised because evil lies in the discretionary use of power.

 

[Saleem]

Last December, Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf Senator Nauman Wazir was humiliated by military personnel at a check-post near Nowshera.

On Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani’s intervention, Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif had promised to order an inquiry into the incident and share the findings with him. But nothing was heard about it afterwards.

Meanwhile, police are conducting an investigation into the latest incident.

Published in Dawn September 13th, 2016

"senate" everybody and his uncle knows "senate" seats are for sale and these crooks have bought them. the so called assembly is full of crooks charlatans murderers qabza group etc. this low life rabbani is a facilitator of criminals of the APS peshawar school attack as this swine claimed he had tears in his eyes when he was signing the national action plan....

i have very sure these highway "police' hoodlums have backing of criminals who masquerade as politicians in this country---anything to loot and destroy pakistan and defame the armed forces.....

disband the highway police immediately......try the highway/motorway "police" in special courts and hang them... also hang all "politicians" who treid to make a issue of out of this and similar incidents and confiscate all their assets-declared and undeclared.......

http://www.unewstv.com/87088/allege...aptain-involved-in-clash-with-motorway-police

 

[Saifullah]

Motorway police officials in Attock Fort in officer's Mess with CO SSG, where all issues were resolved.

LOL Lollipop by Force.

Lets not be stupid if you are on Mission then how come MP knows that "THEY ARE ON MISSION".
They were driving fast being singled to stop once they didn't comply and had to stop when they were chased and stopped. If the mission was so F important then they should have just paid the fine and move along rather they wanted to show their Pawaa. And upon trying to show pawa they were treated harshly it's just and should have been done. Then there comes the gali gloch from both side and showing their pawa guess what "THEY WERE ON MISSION" and wasted a whole a lot of time there and then both parties called for backup and MP toke light hand and didn't take the rash action they could which could have ended on fire fight etc. Just because they are FORCES, you are like whola they are RIGHT.
even if the guns were pointed at them how come the police knew that the harshly driving none identified vehicle are some robbers or thugs.
What if i call you (Forces's social media cell)

Regards

 

[litman]

Such incidents happen all the time on both sides of the Durand line. This is not the first nor shall it be the last .

There has always been a sense of mutual respect among all uniformed persons in the sub continent whereby they respected each other . With time this is eroding, the results are to show.

I'll take the Armed Forces first, the nature of their job entails a certain degree of aggressiveness and ' disdain' for established conventions. They would not succeed in war if they followed rules, please do not get me wrong this does not in any way imply they should flout the law of the land . However, its for the Police to ensure a Fauji is not treated as the rest & vice versa.

A Fauji has very high self esteem. In fact a young officer without the ' fire' in him is a misfit, he will lose men in battle. He does not take being belittled easily , more so by a traffic cop. I have seen countless instances where all a cop had to say was " Sahab" and the officer immediately apologised ( higher the man , the more humble he invariably is) . This exchange of words put to end what could have been a very ugly scenes. Remember both faujis & cops are a law unto themselves & loss of face hurts.

Now, for the Police, with time and political patronage ' its gone to their head'. In today's day & age money is the sole determinant of a man's status. A Policeman invariably has more ( ill gotten) money than a soldier . He therefore does not consider himself lesser than a soldier , in fact a notch or two higher. He also knows he can buy off his boss when in trouble, something a fauji cannot. Therefore all thats needed to be done is to create a scene & the media & Army Act will do the rest. He meanwhile gets himself transferred to another Thana.

All in all, while faujis ought not to take law in their own hands , the Cops too must realise that an Officer must not be treated as riff raff.

in addition to that when a soldier comes back from operation areas after defending his country against the terrorists his feelings are very much different. no civilian can understand this. a feeling of pride, satisfaction is there. when such a person is degraded by a cop esp in a country like pak where police is the most corrupt institute it is very difficult for him to control over his anger. the SSG keeps on visiting operation areas very frequently. overall a military man is supposed to follow laws more strictly then civilians.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Check out Wolfe Tone V Regina 1798. Yes, that is 218 years ago. Pakistan in terms of rule of law is behind what Britain was 218 years ago. The supremacy of civil law prevailed over the military even over 200 years ago. That was the time British Army was invading and taking over half the world but when it ran into civil law it retreated like a slug retreats into a shell.

Think about that.

Link > https://books.google.co.uk/books?id... tone case 1798 military law civilian&f=false

 

[VCheng]

The Pakistan Army Act trumps all civil law. By law.