Most US opinion leaders back military defence of Taiwan if China invades, survey finds

[fallstuff]

Tell us how many Trump's 28 officials have found new job after being sanctioned?

Seriously ?

 

[FuturePAF]

Considering how both the US and China are coming out of this pandemic, and that neither side wants a confrontation, China and the US will both spend on modernization of their conventional forces, while China but not the US will spend on full modernizing the nuclear forces. (Due to the huge cost to modernize, the US may even retire the land based Nukes, and move to a sea based deterrent force and some strategic bombers in reserve)

If the US is smart it will put pressure on its East Asian allies to step up military support to Taiwan, and get Taiwan to build up their own defenses to be as formidable as possible

To counter, China will build up the conventional and nuclear means to invade.

It will be a bluffing game, where, like the Cold War, spies and stealing of military secrets will play a huge part in building up or undermining the other sides defenses.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Most foreign policy leaders and professionals in the United States support the use of American troops to defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion,

Because these ‘foreign policy leaders and professionals’ are the best example of a US Establishment circle jerk.

These ‘professionals’ have the profile they do because of their Establishment connections, and therefore will push that same, tired, war-mongering Cold War mindset that the US Establishment wants. It wasn’t without reason that there were hardly any mainstream ‘foreign Policy professionals & experts’ voicing strong disagreement against the decision to invade Iraq, or against poor US policies in Afghanistan or against the US’s continued poor treatment of Pakistan. The latter meant that the US literally got ‘what it paid for’, not an ounce more, and Americans still wonder why Pakistan didn’t give the US Strategic loyalty instead of the tactical, transactional relationship that the US never wanted to move beyond on its end.

Ever wonder why someone so out of touch, like Husain Haqqani, still continues to be treated like royalty in US Establishment and the ‘foreign policy professional’ circuit in the US? He pushes a line the US establishment wants, hence his relevance & profile.

 

[FuturePAF]

Because these ‘foreign policy leaders and professionals’ are the best example of a US Establishment circle jerk.

These ‘professionals’ have the profile they do because of their Establishment connections, and therefore will push that same, tired, war-mongering Cold War mindset that the US Establishment wants. It wasn’t without reason that there were hardly any mainstream ‘foreign Policy professionals & experts’ voicing strong disagreement against the decision to invade Iraq, or against poor US policies in Afghanistan or against the US’s continued poor treatment of Pakistan. The latter meant that the US literally got ‘what it paid for’, not an ounce more, and Americans still wonder why Pakistan didn’t give the US Strategic loyalty instead of the tactical, transactional relationship that the US never wanted to move beyond on its end.

Ever wonder why someone so out of touch, like Husain Haqqani, still continues to be treated like royalty in US Establishment and the ‘foreign policy professional’ circuit in the US? He pushes a line the US establishment wants, hence his relevance & profile.

Recently, there was a podcast where defense establishment types said that the pre-pandemic projections the defense budget would need to go to nearly $970 Billion by 2023 (if I remember correctly) if the US wanted to do all the missions it is currently doing, as well as confront China. They now acknowledge that the defense budget will probably just stay the same, it might be cut slightly, and be ONLY $740 Billion. If the US defense budget remains the same, then confronting the PLA buildup will be pushed back for a decade or just scaled back considerably.

A very interesting podcast. One of the thing they said they would cut if they had to was the $4 Billion for the Afghan Army, alongside the land based ICBMs.

Six Blind Men, the Elephant, and the Defense Budget - War on the Rocks

Chris, Zack, and Melanie sit down to discuss Thomas Spoehr’s article “The Six Blind Men and the Elephant: Differing Views on the U.S. Defense Budget.” How

warontherocks.com

Considering all the money spend on COVID relief, I anticipate at the very least the defense budget being frozen if not cut, along with other social spending (if republicans win the midterms in 2022), as well as tax hikes (if the democrats win the midterms in 2022).

The current US debt. If anything, the state department should have its budget raised, and the defense budget cut. Give diplomacy a chance to do what decades of failed defense policies haven’t been able to do. To paraphrase a quote from the podcast “we have run out of money, it’s time to start thinking”.

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Recently, there was a podcast where defense establishment types said that the pre-pandemic projections the defense budget would need to go to nearly $970 Billion by 2023 (if I remember correctly) if the US wanted to do all the missions it is currently doing, as well as confront China. They now acknowledge that the defense budget will probably just stay the same, it might be cut slightly, and be ONLY $740 Billion. If the US defense budget remains the same, then confronting the PLA buildup will be pushed back for a decade or just scaled back considerably.

A very interesting podcast. One of the thing they said they would cut if they had to was the $4 Billion for the Afghan Army, alongside the land based ICBMs.

Six Blind Men, the Elephant, and the Defense Budget - War on the Rocks

Chris, Zack, and Melanie sit down to discuss Thomas Spoehr’s article “The Six Blind Men and the Elephant: Differing Views on the U.S. Defense Budget.” How

warontherocks.com

Considering all the money spend on COVID relief, I anticipate at the very least the defense budget being frozen if not cut, along with other social spending (if republicans win the midterms in 2022), as well as tax hikes (if the democrats win the midterms in 2022).

The US Defence budget should be cut - it is far beyond any legitimate self-defense needs, and the whole premise of ‘countering the rise of China’ is laughably absurd.

What’s the goal here? To destroy or cripple a rapidly advancing nation of 1.4 billion? Has China indicated that it wants to conquer the US, or Europe?

Correct me if I am wrong, but China’s ‘expansionism’ remains confined to Chinese claims on small territories and sea/ocean zones here or there around the Chinese mainland, with Taiwan perhaps being the largest claim, but even there I doubt the Chinese government wants a full fledged war that would set China back significantly. I’m not sure what major military threat China poses to the US or Europe.

 

[FuturePAF]

The US Defence budget should be cut - it is far beyond any legitimate self-defense needs, and the whole premise of ‘countering the rise of China’ is laughably absurd.

What’s the goal here? To destroy or cripple a rapidly advancing nation of 1.4 billion? Has China indicated that it wants to conquer the US, or Europe?

Correct me if I am wrong, but China’s ‘expansionism’ remains confined to Chinese claims on small territories and sea/ocean zones here or there around the Chinese mainland, with Taiwan perhaps being the largest claim, but even there I doubt the Chinese government wants a full fledged war that would set China back significantly. I’m not sure what major military threat China poses to the US or Europe.

It’s the economic challenge of China that should be confronted with smart diplomacy and a comprehensive alternative to developing nations, otherwise they will join OBOR.

Militarily, if they want to confront China, they’ll have to give up the COIN wars, or continue the COIN wars and give up confronting China. Even then, continuing to do both will still require an increase in the defense budget; and increase the nation can ill afford considering the massive debt taken on due to the pandemic.

Considering China doesn’t seem to have any desire for military expansion, it’s a priority that should be reconsidered, and addressed more holistically.

the sad reality is, this maybe the moment they will have to accept that co-existence and just economic competition is the best long term strategy.

 

[Suika]

So many triggered posters for just posting a couple of pictures of Taipei 101.

Looks like desparation.

 

[Beast]

So many triggered posters for just posting a couple of pictures of Taipei 101.

Looks like desparation.

lol.. You mean you? There is no Japan in the thread and here someone drag Japan in. This thread must have trigger some delusion.

I am still waiting Japan to accept Taiwan independent and abandon one China policy.. Maybe will happened in 200 years time from now or never. I guess it must have hurt you with such blunt truth.

 

[Suika]

lol.. You mean you? There is no Japan in the thread and here someone drag Japan in. This thread must have trigger some delusion.

I am still waiting Japan to accept Taiwan independent and abandon one China policy.. Maybe will happened in 200 years time from now or never. I guess it must have hurt you with such blunt truth.

The Japan threads being trolled by Pro-CCP posters looks like an effort to distort and disrupt what is happening with the JSDF. So that too looks like desparation. If not worried about the JSDF, then why do other Pro-CCP posters feel an urge to trash those threads? Its desparation.

Taiwanese and Japanese politicians already meet on a regular basis and have many cultural exchanges that have been on a raise. If the UN had to under go changes to officially recognize Taiwan, then Japan should be admitted to a permannant seat to the UNSC as well. But the UN as we all know is kind of broken anyway. So its not important except only for face value. If face value is enough to keep the PRC happy, then its fine.

 

[Beast]

The Japan threads being trolled by Pro-CCP posters looks like an effort to distort and disrupt what is happening with the JSDF. So that too looks like desparation. If not worried about the JSDF, then why do other Pro-CCP posters feel an urge to trash those threads? Its desparation.

Taiwanese and Japanese politicians already meet on a regular basis and have many cultural exchanges that have been on a raise. If the UN had to under go changes to officially recognize Taiwan, then Japan should be admitted to a permannant seat to the UNSC as well. But the UN as we all know is kind of broken anyway. So its not important except only for face value. If face value is enough to keep the PRC happy, then its fine.

LOL... Nobody troll JSDF. It always fanboy like you still try to brag JSDF as some imperial Japan forces and result in rational rebuke from some members who just spoke the truth.

Face value? Taiwan, not able to join UN as an independent country has no abilities to join major treaty and organization. Why not ask Japan not to join WTO and have no means to negotiate foreign policy as non member of UN and tell me, this are face value only? You are deluding yourself.

 

[Suika]

LOL... Nobody troll JSDF. It always fanboy like you still try to brag JSDF as some imperial Japan forces and result in rational rebuke from some members who just spoke the truth.

Face value? Taiwan, not able to join UN as an independent country has no abilities to join major treaty and organization. Why not ask Japan not to join WTO and have no means to negotiate foreign policy as non member of UN and tell me, this are face value only? You are deluding yourself.

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[Place Of Space]

The Japan threads being trolled by Pro-CCP posters looks like an effort to distort and disrupt what is happening with the JSDF. So that too looks like desparation. If not worried about the JSDF, then why do other Pro-CCP posters feel an urge to trash those threads? Its desparation.

Taiwanese and Japanese politicians already meet on a regular basis and have many cultural exchanges that have been on a raise. If the UN had to under go changes to officially recognize Taiwan, then Japan should be admitted to a permannant seat to the UNSC as well. But the UN as we all know is kind of broken anyway. So its not important except only for face value. If face value is enough to keep the PRC happy, then its fine.

Heyllo Pro Japan Non-Japanese guy, Japan cooperating with China is good. You can't remove your neighbors, but America finally will leave Asia sooner or later.

 

[Place Of Space]

Seriously ?

You tell us their new jobs.

 

[striver44]

Nice to know that US alone has more nukes than PRC and it's allies combined

 

[Beast]

Nice to know that US alone has more nukes than PRC and it's allies combined

Doesn't matter. Becos PRC nuke are enough to wipe out US.