Mossadegh's legacy; 'Persian nationalism amongst strongest forces on earth'

[Ahmad]

Persian is the foreign word for Iran.

Persian is not foreign to Iran. It was the name of Iran until Shah changed it to Iran(if i am not wrong).

 

[kollang]

Iranian nationalism is the correct one.

 

[Developereo]

Persian is not foreign to Iran. It was the name of Iran until Shah changed it to Iran(if i am not wrong).

The ancient name for Iran has always been Iran -- land of Aryans -- back from the days of Cyrus.

Persia was the Greek name for Iran as a lazy way to say 'the land where the (ethnic) Persians live'.

 

[Surenas]

The ancient name for Iran has always been Iran -- land of Aryans -- back from the days of Cyrus.

Persia was the Greek name for Iran as a lazy way to say 'the land where the (ethnic) Persians live'.

Nonsense. Let me give you a quick brief of Iranian history. You had the Achaemenids, who created the first Persian empire and they were the most famous tribe of the Pasargadae clan. The name 'Persian' or 'Pars' derives from this 'Pasargadae' clan and have nothing to do with Greeks inventing a new name for Iran or something like that. Besides that, even before the Greeks the Assyrians already talked about Parsua.

 

[Developereo]

Nonsense. Let me give you a quick brief of Iranian history. You had the Achaemenids, who created the first Persian empire and they were the most famous tribe of the Pasargadae clan. The name 'Persian' or 'Pars' derives from this 'Pasargadae' clan and have nothing to do with Greeks inventing a new name for Iran or something like that. Besides that, even before the Greeks the Assyrians already talked about Parsua.

Read my post again: I didn't say the Greeks 'invented' the name. I said they used it lazily to lump together everyone in the ancient empire.

Cyrus was a Persian by tribe so he was called the Persian King. However, the empire he created encompassed areas outside Persia and the people of the region were collectively called Aryanam, the Aryans. In other words, going back to antiquity, the collective name for the region is land of the Aryanam, or Iran. Persians just happened to be the dominant tribe and foreigners lazily used that word to describe their whole empire.

 

[MertKaan]

First of all, I don't believe that Azeri's are Turkic by ancestry. You can say it is, but I kindly refer you to what the greatest Azeri scholar Kasravi said. And I know you speak Turkic and I can respect that. I believe you guys should have the right to speak your own language, have your own tv-station and have access to Turkic language courses. If you think I oppose such thing, because I respect Iran's Persian history, you are wrong.

lol REALY YOU BELİEVE FAKE AZERİ NAME ?? please translate it ))



i dont believe that persians were real persians

 

[MertKaan]

Somewhere between 51% and 70% I would say. But 'Persian' here is only a synonym for 'Iranian'. It's like the Dutch who refer to Holland, rather than the Netherlands, although most people in the Netherlands don't live in the 'Holland' provinces.

i just laugh to persian nationalism

 

[Don Jaguar]

Germans, Russians, Japanese are far more nationalistic than Persians.

How do you compared the nationalism?

 

[Surenas]

i just laugh to persian nationalism

Your right. It should have been like this:

Based on this Iranian (Iranic) peoples:

And the map you posted is bullshit.

 

[MertKaan]

Your right. It should have been like this:

Based on this Iranian (Iranic) peoples:

And the map you posted is bullshit.

are you ok ?

 

[Developereo]

These Western "intellectuals" are trying to hijack Iranian nationalism as Persian nationalism, thereby inflaming ethnic tensions within Iran. It's sad to see some Iranians falling for the standard Western ploy of divide and conquer.

The smart Iranians I have known over many years are wise to these tricks and see themselves as Iranians first, not Persians. All Persians are Iranian, but not all Iranians are Persian.

 

[bozorgmehr]

If the opinions of those people in the northwest of the country is a sort of aversion against anything that have to do with 'Persian', than those people are nothing but idiots. The two longest empires during the history of Iran were of Persian origin, and they have left by far the greatest legacy of Iranian culture. In fact, most other ethnic groups like the Medes and Elamites stood right behind the Persians in their adventure for creating the greatest and largest empire the world at that time had seen.

Persian is often nothing more than a synonym for 'Iranian' and if some ignorant fools have problem with the word 'Persian', than I recommend those fools to read some history books. By saying 'Persian' nobody is excluding other ethnic groups in Iran, nor it is some antagonism against other races. I don't know who told you that, but you have probably listen to much to those anti-Persian demagogues.

I'm proud of Persians, Azeri's, Kurds, Lurs, etc. But that doesn't mean that we don't have to acknowledge that the Persians will always have a special role in Iran's history. And I'm not even completely Persian myself.

That's a nonsense post, if I ever saw one! There's no Persian nationalism in Iran. We don't use that term. It doesn't even make sense when you translate it. It's a foreign construct. What you say may make sense from a Dutch point of view. But it's irrelevant within the Iranian cultural and historical context.

 

[bozorgmehr]

i just laugh to persian nationalism

Why don't you go play with your mountain turks before you're dragged through sh!t again, my mighty warlord turkic warrior.

 

[Takaavar]

i just laugh to persian nationalism

http://a1209.hizliresim.com/11/v/dfkjk.jpg

In your map Tehranis are all Azeris And where are Lors of Khuzestan who are half of its population? And Golestan is Turkmen even though Turkmens are a minorty in Golestan

What an idiot!

 

[MertKaan]

In your map Tehranis are all Azeris And where are Lors of Khuzestan who are half of its population? And Golestan is Turkmen even though Turkmens are a minorty in Golestan

What an idiot!

troll
they were not azeri they were turk .. lol
when ahmet davutoglu arrived in tehran then he said that Next to İstanbul, Tehran is the greatest Turkish speaking city of the world.