Moroccan four 'pledged allegiance to ISIS' before 'revenge' decapitation of female tourist

[Philip the Arab]

Bad news: The tourists have departed to God ....

Good news: Moroccan authorities are torturing the snot out of these four suspects for what they did and to get more information out of them... after which they will be given life sentences and casted into brutal Moroccan jails during which they will surely be gang raped and killed brutally.....

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How did they catch them? Couldn't they have hid in the mountains or gone to Western Sahara?

 

[Jaanbaz]

@Jaanbaz

These were two criminals who raped the girls then murdered them. Should not be seen any different then a rapist in the US or elsewhere who kidnaps girls then murders them. I think they made up the whole ISIS bit to avoid affecting their family's reputation.

Edit: One of the perpetrators is illiterate who got really interested in 'hunting' animals recently. Actually it seems like 3 of the suspects 'pledged allegiance to ISIS before in a video'. These nasty illiterate low iq Khawarij need to be pursued strongly.

On a serious note, RIP to the victims. This is bad and regardless if the ISIS affiliation was made up, ISIS sympathizers need to be humiliated in a strong way.

Also Western tourists if going to any of these country's should request extra security and/or go with Arab/Muslim friends on these tourist trips. They should not go alone until this security situation is fixed.

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This website(forum) needs to be taken off the internet. I don't know who the provider is but they allow pro-ISIS sentiment on it even though they have a disclaimer on the website that they aren't affiliated with anyones views. If so, they need to ban all users with pro-ISIS sympathies and stuff letting them justify their crimes. Yet the staff on that site do nothing:

http://alfetn.net/vb3/index.php

Somebody figure out how to get this site taken down from the internet.



He is a bad poster with bad intentions. But, we need a strong response to this ourselves. They raped them then murdered them. This is unacceptable, Muslims in Muslim majority nations need to report anyone with ISIS sympathies and the security forces need to root them out of society, as well as their ideas. This is a major crime and sin in Islam and I hope Moroccan authorities execute them in the same manner they murdered the tourists. Or let Saudi executioners behead them. And publish their execution on state tv. They need to know there is a brutal price to pay for their actions.

I'm tired of these scum justifying and thinking they have a right to murder random tourists. Then on top of that claiming they are the best Muslims. They are low iq trash and evil people.

Saudi scholars or Arab scholars of Islam need to make a conference soon and release fatwas declaring that these Khawarij are out of fold of Islam. Don't just say they commit actions against Islam, declare them out of fold of Islam completely. The only problem with this is people(local regional people) think Saudi scholars are hypocrites who defend the Saudi Regime and not going to take them seriously.

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They are with God and God is the most just and will punish the perpetrators. Things get ugly in this world and we need to put our hope in God to deliver justice and make this world a more peaceful place(on top of exhausting our personal efforts).

Apparently they found a video where they claimed they did it to avenge Syria? Norwegian Police say the videos seem to be real but haven't confirmed it yet. This is fucked up, what revenge? Killing two defenseless women who aren't even American?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46645348

 

[jamahir]

Muslims are disgusting, the West should kick them all out back to their disgusting Muslim countries

Ask yourself why the Western governments created and supported groups like Al Qaida, FSA etc. Wherever there have been progressive Muslim-majority countries, there have been Western governments supporting terrorists. Take Syria for example.

The government of your own Australia sent troops to Iraq in 2003 to bring down the government of Saddam Hussein.

 

[Jugger]

I'll let it slide because I think it's just emotions running high.

Such mature response should also be adopted by countries where people are punished based on just acquisitions.
Forgive and forget to live a beautiful life.

Religiously twisted individuals are capable of the most heinous crimes. You can see such examples of repulsive atrocities committed by individuals in all the major religions in the world.

A true Muslim is the most peaceful and merciful individual with love for all beings.

Although ISIS calls themselves Muslims, they are the opposite of what a Muslim should be. In the end times satan distorts people’s mind by disguising himself as God, and certain weak minded individuals follows him instead of Allah.

 

[nahtanbob]

Ask yourself why the Western governments created and supported groups like Al Qaida, FSA etc. Wherever there have been progressive Muslim-majority countries, there have been Western governments supporting terrorists. Take Syria for example.

The government of your own Australia sent troops to Iraq in 2003 to bring down the government of Saddam Hussein.

I am opposed to 2003 invasion of Iraq. Even with hindsight it is not worth American lives and money.
Right now I would say things are better for Iraqis. I say good riddance to Saddam.

 

[Falcon29]

How did they catch them? Couldn't they have hid in the mountains or gone to Western Sahara?

OSLO/RABAT (Reuters) - Moroccan police have arrested nine more people in an investigation into the murder of two Scandinavian female tourists by suspected Islamic State militants, authorities said on Friday.

Four suspects were already under arrest over the killing of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, from Denmark, and Maren Ueland, 28, from Norway, whose bodies were found on Monday in the Atlas Mountains with knife wounds to the neck.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...murder-of-scandinavian-tourists-idUSKCN1OK14G

Apparently they found a video where they claimed they did it to avenge Syria? Norwegian Police say the videos seem to be real but haven't confirmed it yet. This is fucked up, what revenge? Killing two defenseless women who aren't even American?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46645348

Yeah video is authentic, but should be removed from the internet out of respect to the families. I don't think ISIS officially claimed this, but they are responsible either way after their continued calls for random people to attack/kidnap/murder foreigners. And these 4 low iq sociopaths heeded the call, and kidnapped the girls, also read raped them before killing them.

I really can't explain to you or understand the rational of these sociopaths. Same reason I can't understand why Mexican cartels execute random civilians to intimidate people or their other brutal methods of killings. However, no one in Muslim world should even thought of killing foreigners or anybody for that matter when it has nothing to do with the battlefield. Only reason weapons should ever be used in a war or battlefield. These sociopaths and extremists think its a cultural war and target anybody from the West, Japan, Russia or whatever other cases. There needs to be reform in education/religious preaching that does not dehumanize nonbelievers. The problem is they look down on nonbelievers or think they are permitted to commit abuses against them.

I see too many comments often by general Arab public after some kind of mass shooting or something else in the West where people just don't care or think its justified in some cases or wish for more carnage upon them. This is bad for us and is something we must take seriously. This kind of mentality means too many are just going by their own thoughts and lacking an ethical compass or ignoring the Islamic Aqeedah, let alone ignore God's attributes/characters and what he represents. Hint, to all the retards out there in our community, we are supposed to represent God's attributes on earth. And go read what his 99 names are, and look at the sky and contemplate nature and the Universe, he is a Great Lord with the best attributes, and we learn justice, fairness, kindness, good manners , ethics, and everything else from him.

We are not supposed to think like thugs or disregard the 'two wrongs don't make a right' notion. This is insane and this incident has really frustrated me, and caused me great disappoint in the Ummah and it's retarded misbehaving adherents. I don't want to get stressed out about this anymore so I will leave the rest to God and make prayers that guides us back on the right path.

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To add on, this falls squarely on the governments and Muslim scholars. Some of these scholars and governments don't think it's urgent to act against ISIS sympathizers because they are counter influence against the Muslim Brotherhood. But, more importantly , they have no idea how to teach people religion. These dictators like to keep people uneducated, especially about Islam, otherwise people would start demanding their rights and calling them out for their hypocrisy.

Now look at the Prophet's(SAW) time. He lived in a city which was ruled by local clans. There were no foreign people there, or hardly any. It was not what we know as a nation state today. The Caliphates were sort of nation states, and you were not allowed to attack visitors or foreign residents at all. The Prophet did fight his own some members of his own clan in the battlefield. And if he won, did not execute the male captives. Keep in mind back then, captives are very different than we think of today. Back then the city was hardly populated, a few dozen people or around a hundred could make a very big difference. So you had to make sure the captives converted otherwise they will just seek to strike back in middle of night while everyone was sleeping.

There were no homes with locks back then, only tents that people slept in. So anyone could certainly decide to kill all followers of your religion in the night time while everyone is asleep. So in some rare cases male combatant captives were to convert or risk not having protection. In one case, regarding a Jewish tribe, they broke their trust and the Prophet let their own guy judge them(who was helping the Muslims) and he judged them by the Torah laws which was execution of male captives. Females combatants are never supposed to be executed, let alone civilians or male civilians, or most of the time even male combatants were spared.

In today's world, it is very different, global population is through the roof. There is no reason to execute captives, and as Muslims we are supposed to follow international war laws which are definitely good and ethical and don't go against our religion. There is no threat from captive combatants, you just detain them until they are to be freed or swapped in a prisoner deal like everyone else. Islam is not under any threat, Muslims population is very big. It's not like the Prophet's time when there were only around 60 Muslims who were paranoid about surviving. Foreigners and visitors in modern Muslim nation states are to be secure from any attacks.

But, how many Muslims overseas can work their rational and logic to realize these things? Not enough that's forsure. And it's not possible to educate all those people with college grade education, because those countries are poor and not enough people can afford education. So scholars are required to make extra hard effort in teaching Islam properly, and encouraging people to use rational and logic, which doesn't contradict Islam.

 

[jhungary]

How did they catch them? Couldn't they have hid in the mountains or gone to Western Sahara?

The people make a video when they decapitate one of the girl (saw the footage, gruesome if they were real), Moroccan authority match the people to another video of the 4 of them pledge their allegiance to ISIS prior to the attack and that is how they found these people.

People who did this traditionally do not run away from the crime or attacks, they would have claim responsibility because they see that as a legitimate cause.

 

[jamahir]

I am opposed to 2003 invasion of Iraq. Even with hindsight it is not worth American lives and money.

American lives ??

What about those of the Iraqis ?? Their deaths and also the cancers brought on by the American use of Depleted Uranium bombs ??

Right now I would say things are better for Iraqis.

I don't know about now but as of last year there were regular bombings in the markets and other public places. 20 people dead, 50, 100...

Is that better ??

I say good riddance to Saddam.

Some of Saddam's acts were for the West Asian countries to sort it out themselves. No external action was needed.

 

[nahtanbob]

American lives ??

What about those of the Iraqis ?? Their deaths and also the cancers brought on by the American use of Depleted Uranium bombs ??

I don't know about how but as of last year there were regular bombings in the markets and other public places. 20 people dead, 50, 100...

I care about American lives more than Iraqi lives. I am not blind to the loss of Iraqi lives. It is not like everything was rosy in Iraq under Saddam's rule. Count the Iraqi dead - Kurdish revolt, Iran-Iraq war, 1st Gulf War, Shia uprising.

Depleted uranium rounds were used in the 1st Gulf War

The bombings have diminished a lot. 3,000 people died in 2018

Is you conduct a vote in Iraq "Are things better" ? I expect 70-80% (Shias and Kurds) to say yes

Some of Saddam's acts were for the West Asian countries to sort it out themselves. No external action was needed.

that is one approach to handling things. it is the one I would favor in 2003

 

[jamahir]

I care about American lives more than Iraqi lives. I am not blind to the loss of Iraqi lives.

Okay.

It is not like everything was rosy in Iraq under Saddam's rule.

Agreed.

My desire for Iraq then ( and Syria now ) is for it to become more socialist by adopting the Jamahiriya direct-democracy socialist system that governed Libya until the 2011 war. Libya was truly a people's system. Not a dictatorial government or one-party state or two-party state.

Count the Iraqi dead - Kurdish revolt, Iran-Iraq war, 1st Gulf War, Shia uprising.

Speaking about the Kurds, why isn't there a debate about how the Turkish governments have acted against them ??

Depleted uranium rounds were used in the 1st Gulf War

Not in the second ?? I don't think so.

The bombings have diminished a lot. 3,000 people died in 2018

That is still a big number.

Is you conduct a vote in Iraq "Are things better" ? I expect 70-80% (Shias and Kurds) to say yes

I think the Shia will see their acquiescing to the Western invasion as a mistake.

I don't know about the Kurds.

that is one approach to handling things. it is the one I would favor in 2003

Okay.

 

[nahtanbob]

Okay.
My desire for Iraq then ( and Syria now ) is for it to become more socialist by adopting the Jamahiriya direct-democracy socialist system that governed Libya until the 2011 war. Libya was truly a people's system. Not a dictatorial government or one-party state or two-party state.

I think the Shia will see their acquiescing to the Western invasion as a mistake.
I don't know about the Kurds.

this is the height of being naive. libya, syria and iraq were dictatorships. they were idealist regimes the day they were formed. with passage of time they were no better than the monarchies that surround them.

What choice did the Shias have ? Did anyone in the Muslim world speak for them ?

 

[Jaanbaz]

OSLO/RABAT (Reuters) - Moroccan police have arrested nine more people in an investigation into the murder of two Scandinavian female tourists by suspected Islamic State militants, authorities said on Friday.

Four suspects were already under arrest over the killing of Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, from Denmark, and Maren Ueland, 28, from Norway, whose bodies were found on Monday in the Atlas Mountains with knife wounds to the neck.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...murder-of-scandinavian-tourists-idUSKCN1OK14G



Yeah video is authentic, but should be removed from the internet out of respect to the families. I don't think ISIS officially claimed this, but they are responsible either way after their continued calls for random people to attack/kidnap/murder foreigners. And these 4 low iq sociopaths heeded the call, and kidnapped the girls, also read raped them before killing them.

I really can't explain to you or understand the rational of these sociopaths. Same reason I can't understand why Mexican cartels execute random civilians to intimidate people or their other brutal methods of killings. However, no one in Muslim world should even thought of killing foreigners or anybody for that matter when it has nothing to do with the battlefield. Only reason weapons should ever be used in a war or battlefield. These sociopaths and extremists think its a cultural war and target anybody from the West, Japan, Russia or whatever other cases. There needs to be reform in education/religious preaching that does not dehumanize nonbelievers. The problem is they look down on nonbelievers or think they are permitted to commit abuses against them.

I see too many comments often by general Arab public after some kind of mass shooting or something else in the West where people just don't care or think its justified in some cases or wish for more carnage upon them. This is bad for us and is something we must take seriously. This kind of mentality means too many are just going by their own thoughts and lacking an ethical compass or ignoring the Islamic Aqeedah, let alone ignore God's attributes/characters and what he represents. Hint, to all the retards out there in our community, we are supposed to represent God's attributes on earth. And go read what his 99 names are, and look at the sky and contemplate nature and the Universe, he is a Great Lord with the best attributes, and we learn justice, fairness, kindness, good manners , ethics, and everything else from him.

We are not supposed to think like thugs or disregard the 'two wrongs don't make a right' notion. This is insane and this incident has really frustrated me, and caused me great disappoint in the Ummah and it's retarded misbehaving adherents. I don't want to get stressed out about this anymore so I will leave the rest to God and make prayers that guides us back on the right path.

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...

To add on, this falls squarely on the governments and Muslim scholars. Some of these scholars and governments don't think it's urgent to act against ISIS sympathizers because they are counter influence against the Muslim Brotherhood. But, more importantly , they have no idea how to teach people religion. These dictators like to keep people uneducated, especially about Islam, otherwise people would start demanding their rights and calling them out for their hypocrisy.

Now look at the Prophet's(SAW) time. He lived in a city which was ruled by local clans. There were no foreign people there, or hardly any. It was not what we know as a nation state today. The Caliphates were sort of nation states, and you were not allowed to attack visitors or foreign residents at all. The Prophet did fight his own some members of his own clan in the battlefield. And if he won, did not execute the male captives. Keep in mind back then, captives are very different than we think of today. Back then the city was hardly populated, a few dozen people or around a hundred could make a very big difference. So you had to make sure the captives converted otherwise they will just seek to strike back in middle of night while everyone was sleeping.

There were no homes with locks back then, only tents that people slept in. So anyone could certainly decide to kill all followers of your religion in the night time while everyone is asleep. So in some rare cases male combatant captives were to convert or risk not having protection. In one case, regarding a Jewish tribe, they broke their trust and the Prophet let their own guy judge them(who was helping the Muslims) and he judged them by the Torah laws which was execution of male captives. Females combatants are never supposed to be executed, let alone civilians or male civilians, or most of the time even male combatants were spared.

In today's world, it is very different, global population is through the roof. There is no reason to execute captives, and as Muslims we are supposed to follow international war laws which are definitely good and ethical and don't go against our religion. There is no threat from captive combatants, you just detain them until they are to be freed or swapped in a prisoner deal like everyone else. Islam is not under any threat, Muslims population is very big. It's not like the Prophet's time when there were only around 60 Muslims who were paranoid about surviving. Foreigners and visitors in modern Muslim nation states are to be secure from any attacks.

But, how many Muslims overseas can work their rational and logic to realize these things? Not enough that's forsure. And it's not possible to educate all those people with college grade education, because those countries are poor and not enough people can afford education. So scholars are required to make extra hard effort in teaching Islam properly, and encouraging people to use rational and logic, which doesn't contradict Islam.

Couldn't have summed it better myself. I don't think I have any words to expand on what you wrote but yeah there needs to be a concentrated effort from mainstream Muslim scholors to target this extremism head on, denial is not helping Muslim countries. All its doing is destroying societies, increasing hatred against Muslims in general and its also turning some youths away from Islam and into Atheism.

 

[Type59]

Sad. Innocent women came to visit country. Terrorists only target the weak. People need to be convinced killing civilians won't further their cause. Morrocans are rightly so outraged.

 

[Nein]

Saddening news to be honest.

Terrorists have proven once again how nobody is spared from their cowardice in Somalia they bombed civilians again.

These khawarij terrrorists are a cancer upon the Islamic World and we have to zap the crap out of them.