More Vietnamese nurses in need in Japan

[Viet]

She has been to China many times, dancing in the bars. But still she is not as popular as Sola Aoi, Yui Hatano and Yoshizawa Akiho. All of the three have starred in Chinese dramas or MTVs.

Edison, I see you are a fan of japanese adult entertainment

 

[Edison Chen]

Someone is an expert here. Even memorized all their name.

I just google translated their names.

Unfortunately, I am still a beginner, in China you get thousands of professionals with vast numbers of collections of those masterpieces.

Edison, I see you are a fan of japanese adult entertainment

No. I am just average. I have girl friend irl. Watching too much **** will make you delusional and clumsy. So I am against these movies, but rather agree on practice.

 

[William Hung]

I just google translated their names.

Unfortunately, I am still a beginner, in China you get thousands of professionals with vast numbers of collections of those masterpieces.

Don't lie, you checked their name from your video collections on your phone.

You forgot to mention the other two popular half Japanese half white actress.

One is half or quarter German. She is a bit chubby and name something like Hara. I saw her make an appearance on a Cantonese movie.

Another one is half white and skinny and always have brown hair. I forgot her name but people always talk about her.

Ozawa and Yoshizawa I can always remember their name.

 

[Viet]

That's great - it doesn't change the fact that Vietnam has less doctors than that of war torn Syria, yet you are still exporting doctors and nurses.

It is almost like a beggar giving his money away to a millionaire, just because he has a feud with a middle class man.

before the civil war, Syria had one of the best health care systems in the world, but now everything is in ruine.

the amount of vietnamese doctors and nurses going for training and working overseas is too little to have a major impact on vietnamese overall system. using "beggar" word is inappropriate.

 

[Mehrdad1111]

from all migrants in germany, the vietnamese people are simp,y the best. their high education rate is even higher then the native german population and much higher then any other migrant group.

beside that, they cause zero problems like honor killing, parallel society..like other groups. japan is wise to pick and decide which ethnical group they let in and which not.

 

[Viet]

from all migrants in germany, the vietnamese people are simp,y the best. their high education rate is even higher then the native german population and much higher then any other migrant group.

beside that, they cause zero problems like honor killing, parallel society..like other groups. japan is wise to pick and decide which ethnical group they let in and which not.

he he he..thank you. that is a fact that even a VN hater like @Götterdämmerung (you should change your nick name, it is too long) cannot deny. that is the result of hard works, my friend.

 

[Mehrdad1111]

the vietnamese people have the culture of diligence and education rather then the culture of honor and shame like some other migrant groups. we know who i mean.

that makes vietnamese people a enrichment for all countries.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

have I ever denied Vietnam heatlh care system has no deficiency?

sure, it sucks. many problem exists in VN. doctors and nurses are underpaid, hospitals are underfunded, lack of modern equipments and treatments. the list goes on. in short, tons of money are needed. we need help and assistance from other modern nations. In this regard it is not too bad to send our people abroad for trainings and works.

ok, I say a big thank to germany for the generous offer. are you happy now?

I don´t deny either that the difference of quality is huge if for example comparing between german and vietnam. I was ill recently and spent some days in a german hospital. the treatment was first class although I am not a private patient. Only the foods suck.

sure, my posts have anything relating to germany. what japan does now is similar to what germany has implemented. I bet japan will soon be forced to adopt the german immigration system.

Well, while we train Vietnamese to become top notch nurses, the Japanese are practicing a skill drain with Vietnam. From Vietnam's perspective, there is little to celebrate about because there is already a lack of doctors and nurses in Vietnam.

The Japanese guy is trying to sell it as a cause of celebration, well, for Japan probably, not for Vietnamese patients.

I also condemn this practice here in Germany, because we are worsening the health care in our poor neighbour countries. This can only be aleviated if becoming a nurse in Germany would be better compensated. One of my best friend is a director of a hospital, I know what I'm talking about. He would like to pay higher wages, but the current system doesn't allow that to happen.

he he he..thank you. that is a fact that even a VN hater like @Götterdämmerung (you should change your nick name, it is too long) cannot deny. that is the result of hard works, my friend.

Why am I a hater, when it's Japan (and my country) that I criticise for draining skills of lesser developed countries?

 

[Aepsilons]

the vietnamese people have the culture of diligence and education rather then the culture of honor and shame like some other migrant groups. we know who i mean.

that makes vietnamese people a enrichment for all countries.

Indeed, I agree with you. I think that this agreement between Japan and Vietnam enables the Vietnamese healthcare professionals to showcase their strengths and abilities.

Well, while we train Vietnamese to become top notch nurses, the Japanese are practicing a skill drain with Vietnam. From Vietnam's perspective, there is little to celebrate about because there is already a lack of doctors and nurses in Vietnam.

The Japanese guy is trying to sell it as a cause of celebration, well, for Japan probably, not for Vietnamese patients.

I also condemn this practice here in Germany, because we are worsening the health care in our poor neighbour countries. This can only be aleviated if becoming a nurse in Germany would be better compensated. One of my best friend is a director of a hospital, I know what I'm talking about. He would like to pay higher wages, but the current system doesn't allow that to happen.




Why am I a hater, when it's Japan (and my country) that I criticise for draining skills of lesser developed countries?

You have a point about the potential migration of Vietnamese health professionals. In consideration of this, Japan had agreed to build a new medical school in Vietnam , the Tokyo Vietnam Medical University, which , upon completion and matriculation of students, will enroll a maximum of 1,200 Vietnamese medical students. This is but one of the many projects that Vietnam and Japan have agreed to collaborate on -- in terms of educational visage. These students may elect to complete their elective or core rotations in Japanese hospitals and rehabilitation facilities -- and learn from Japanese health system. Upon completion of their medical studies, they will have the privilege to apply these to their patients in Vietnam. Or, if they chose to, can go abroad to countries like Japan and find professional and personal opportunities there.

 

[BoQ77]

That's great - it doesn't change the fact that Vietnam has less doctors than that of war torn Syria, yet you are still exporting doctors and nurses.

It is almost like a beggar giving his money away to a millionaire, just because he has a feud with a middle class man.

There's a fact that comparing to similar countries in development level, education system of Vietnam is better. That leads to another fact that Vietnam could provide more teachers, nurses, doctors...
For example, Nigeria is bigger economy, and GDP per capita similar to Vietnam, but public healthcare popularity of Vietnam is much better than Nigeria.

 

[Aepsilons]

There's a fact that comparing to similar countries in development level, education system of Vietnam is better. That leads to another fact that Vietnam could provide more teachers, nurses, doctors...
For example, Nigeria is bigger economy, and GDP per capita similar to Vietnam, but public healthcare popularity of Vietnam is much better than Nigeria.

In Japan, we have thousands of Vietnamese health care workers , many of them are home care givers , or nurses or nursing assistants in nursing homes/ rehabilitation facilities. They are very hard workers, and compassionate in their care delivery. This is one of the reasons why Japan continues to hire Vietnamese care workers.

 

[NiceGuy]

In Japan, we have thousands of Vietnamese health care workers , many of them are home care givers , or nurses or nursing assistants in nursing homes/ rehabilitation facilities. They are very hard workers, and compassionate in their care delivery. This is one of the reasons why Japan continues to hire Vietnamese care workers.

VN is poor country, so some times, some of those workers do illegal things like pick-pocket, shop-lifting etc, but pls dont thing they r representative for the whole poor VNese working over sea.

 

[BoQ77]

We have goodwill in our mind.

 

[Aepsilons]

VN is poor country, so some times, some of those workers do illegal things like pick-pocket, shop-lifting etc, but pls dont thing they r representative for the whole poor VNese working over sea.

Of course.

We have goodwill in our mind.

I admire the fact that Vietnamese share similar traits as us Japanese. Hardworking and adaptable.

 

[BoQ77]

Surprising fact: Foreigners visiting Vietnam for medical treatment
VietNamNet Bridge - About 100,000 foreigners visit Vietnam every year for medical treatment, bringing more than $1 billion of revenue to local hospitals.

When he heard that Vietnam used the femtosecond laser technique in refractive surgery through a Vietnamese friend in HCM City, Mr. Carthay, an Austrian, travelled to Vietnam for eye surgery at the HCM City Eye Hospital.

"I was quite surprised because this was the first patient from Austria. Our foreign patients are mainly from Southeast Asia," said Dr. Tran Hai Yen, Deputy Director of the HCM City Eye Hospital.

Carthay, 41, had refraction problems for four years. He underwent two surgeries in a hospital in Vienna but they did not work. The operation using new technology at the Ho Chi Minh City Eye Hospital took place over two hours, at the cost of over $1,000, one-third compared to the fees that Carthay paid at the Austrian hospital. And the result was outstanding.

"I did not expect Vietnam's health care system had such great progress," the patient told his Vietnamese doctor after the operation. he said that he would recommend it to many people in Austria.

"My hospital has welcomed many foreigners," said Ms. Nguyen Thi Le Thu, external relations and marketing manager of the FV Hospital in Ho Chi Minh City.

According to Thu, 10 years ago the hospital’s foreign patients were mainly citizens of Southeast Asian countries but now they come from Europe, the Americas and Africa. The hospital treats nearly 20,000 patients from Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar each year.

Shumells, 51, from Frankfurt, Germany had a colorectal tumor. After reading an article on the endoscopic surgical techniques in Vietnam in a medical journal, Shumells decided to go to Vietnam.

"I read about many successful cases of operation in Vietnam so I hoped that Vietnamese doctors could help me," Shumells said.

The price of the surgery was also important to Shumells. "It's less than half in Germany and the postoperative services are also good here," this patient said.

There are 15-20 Cambodian and English interpreters at the HCM City Medical College Hospital to serve foreign patients. The hospital welcomes the highest number of Cambodian patients in Vietnam, with about 18,000 people each year. The hospital also treats about 1,000 patients from Europe, Australia, Asia and America.

The hospital’s deputy director, Dr. Nguyen Hoang Bac, said that since 2008 the hospital treated nearly 6,000 foreign patients, including those from Japan, England, South Korea, the United States, Australia, Switzerland, Turkey and Spain.

"Foreign patients come here for examination and treatment of hepatobiliary diseases, using endoscopic techniques and treatment of neurological diseases and osteoarthritis," Dr. Bac said.

At Cho Ray Hospital, one of the biggest state hospitals in HCM City, many foreign patients have been treated successfully. "Many patients from Europe or America come here for treatment of thoracic, vascular diseases or plastic surgery," Dr. Nguyen Van Khoi, Deputy Director of Cho Ray Hospital said.

The Central and HCM City Dental and Maxillofacial Hospitals annually treat more than 2,000 foreign patients and overseas Vietnamese. Foreign patients visit for good quality services and cheap hospital fees, said doctors at the two hospitals.

In Vitro fertilization

A large number of foreigners come to Vietnam for in-vitro fertilization services.

Prof. Dr. Nguyen Thi Ngoc Phuong, who laid the foundation for this technique in Vietnam and is now the chair of the HCM City Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility Association said that in-vitro fertilization method has resulted in more than 10,000 births.

"Vietnam uses this technique the most in Southeast Asia, with a high success rate,” Dr. Phuong said proudly.

Four years ago, Dr. Phuong and her colleagues were very surprised when one of the renowned experts of in-vitro fertilization in the world and his wife came to HCM City to have in-vitro fertilization.

"He is the co-author of the world’s most famous textbook on reproductive assistance techniques," said Dr. Phuong.

"His son is now 4 years old," Dr. Phuong said, adding that this expert added the picture of his in-vitro son into the textbook of in-vitro fertilization.

According to Dr. Phuong, Vietnam began provided the in-vitro fertilization treatment for foreigners in 2000 at the three hospitals in HCM City, including An Sinh, Van Hanh and Tu Du. The Tu Du Obstetrics Hospital alone served more than 200 foreign patients a year.

Dr. Ho Manh Tuong, director of the infertility treatment faculty of the An Sinh Hospital said about 100 foreigners are treated with infertility at the hospital each year and some of them come from Europe.

Dr. Tuong said Vietnam can perform the most modern techniques for the treatment of infertility. He said foreigners come because of the high success rate, while the price is very cheap.

"In some cases foreign patients went to Vietnam after foreign hospitals failed to help them to have a child and their dreams became true in Vietnam," Dr. Tuong said.

The success rate of in-vitro fertilization at the Central Obstetrics Hospital in Hanoi is 50-60% and about 65% at Tu Du and An Sinh hospitals in HCM City, compared to only about 40-45% in Thailand or Singapore.

Dr. Ho Manh Tuong said the price for an in-vitro fertilization case in Vietnam is about $5,000 compared to $15.000-$30,000 in other countries.

Dr. Nguyen Dinh Phu, deputy director of the People's Hospital 115 in HCM City, said the hospital had successfully conducted 10 kidney transplants for foreign patients in the last 10 years.

"The price for a kidney transplant operation in Vietnam is VND50-VND100 million ($2,500-$5,000), while it is up to 30,000 euros in Europe," said Dr. Phu.

In Singapore, the cost of a bone marrow transplant surgery is up to VND2 billion (nearly $100,000) while it isVND500-VND700 million ($25,000-$35,000) in Vietnam.