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More than 100 Uyghur graveyards demolished by Chinese authorities, satellite images show

Everything. The SAME people who lied about Iraq are now lying about China. Funny how the SAME people who killed over 10 million innocent Muslims globally since August 1990 are now all of a sudden concerned about the re-education of some Muslims in China who may have been radicalized.......I wonder why?........:disagree:






Funny how these satellites never seem to see the graves of 3 million Iraqis killed by the Americans or the graves of Palestinians killed by the chosen ones..........:disagree:
or the attrocities in vietnam or in East Pakistan. The list is endless.

It is entirely possible to read a news piece and be able by doing a cross-reference to remove "color" from the facts themselves. Disregarding the whole due to conceived innate source bias is not a good way to consume media in general in my honest opinion.

For a quick example in attribution. The linked AFP investigative piece about the removal of cemeteries was re-hosted in SCMP, after the Alibaba acquisition. This should tell you that a) The story is not a fabrication and b) That Chinese officials are confirming it. The "color" in the story enters when you start assuming the reason for so many relocations. At that point, you can use the source as a weighted factor to ascertain the veracity of any politically motivated conclusions about the facts at hand.

This doesn't always work, but it is far better than simply disputing something on a political bias principle.
Thank you; this is happening and it is amazing how people are still denying it.
 
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Why for you westerners the solution always to topple Government ? Change regime ?

Communist countries don’t have Democracy, human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom to assemble, freedom of the internet, rule of law, independent judiciary, right to a lawyer.

These are universal values that every human being in the world must have. Communist ideology don’t believe in these values.

This is why all Communist countries must be toppled by whatever means necessary. The collapse of Soviet Communism unleashed a wave of universal values in Eastern European countries.

Communism is pure evil.
 
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Communist countries don’t have Democracy, human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom to assemble, freedom of the internet, rule of law, independent judiciary, right to a lawyer.

And who's gonna judge if all these Human rights exists in China or Any other Communist Country ? You really think you are free ? lol My friend you are still a slave in someway, things you take for granted exists in other countries as well , Freedom is the biggest lie of our time , have you read UN charter of Human rights ? read them and than look at your own country and world, no one is giving all these rights to Humans, exceptions are always made sometimes under the shadow of Terrorism , National security etc

These are universal values that every human being in the world must have. Communist ideology don’t believe in these values.

Universal ? I am sorry when did Western Values become Universal ? Do I have to remind you how many ME countries were destroyed just because they were not Democracies ? You can not hold on to some values and call them universal . And those Human rights you are talking about are all present in China, heck even Russians will come and tell you their countries have all these basic Human rights, its just you will ignore them because of your own convenience ,and it goes against your Liberal Ideas . At least accept that West Hate Communism not because of them not providing Basic Human right but because west see Communists as rivals .

This is why all Communist countries must be toppled by whatever means necessary. The collapse of Soviet Communism unleashed a wave of universal values in Eastern European countries.

As I said , Would you Allow Australia to be ruled by a Islam Law ? Or Hindu Law ? Chinese People support Communism and that is what they chose , who are you say lets topple their country and kill millions in Process ? May I ask who gave you the right to decide how people will live or what kinda system they would want to live under ?

Communism is pure evil.

evil is everywhere, For detainees of Abu Gharib Americans are the Ultimate Evil , For Israel Islam and Iran is pure Evil , For many Muslims West is Pure evil , for Indians Pakistan is pure evil , and so on .. What you say above about toppling a country with a billion + people is Indeed PURE EVIL .
I am no Fan of Communism or what China is doing with Uhigurs , but I will not single out them how they treat Muslims, for decades same west ignore the pleads of Kashmir and Palestine , while people were put in Prisons , mass rape, Mass murder , forced occupation .. I will wait when my Govt will raise this issue Officially with China, Plus I don't understand countries who themselves treating Muslims in worse way Possible suddenly show love for Muslims in China ? Aren't we all ( Muslims ) Evil ? As per Donald Trump he thinks Islam Hates US, he bans Muslims Entering US , France has a history of Killing hundreds of Thousands of Muslims in Algeria , That NZ mosque shooter was from your Country and gets no Punishment but rather hailed for what he did ..
Please spare us this hypocrisy . Come out as honest that you are spreading this only to Hurt China because they are doing better for their country than many others .
 
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US and going crazy about Chinese
waiting for "China drilling pregnant Muslim woman to destroy fetus"

Abdullah se zayada Sandy preshan.

The very CNN mainstream media, their own President Trump calls them "fake news" every day, what can you expect its hit piece on China?

Now all China enemies gather together here going crazy, but it's useless, we stay focused and couldn't care less,

the goal is to catch up with any western country, to reach $20,000 per capital GDP in next 10 years and realize Made in China 2025

to build space station, to put man on the moon and mars, above and beyond!

And who's gonna judge if all these Human rights exists in China or Any other Communist Country ? You really think you are free ? lol My friend you are still a slave in someway, things you take for granted exists in other countries as well , Freedom is the biggest lie of our time , have you read UN charter of Human rights ? read them and than look at your own country and world, no one is giving all these rights to Humans, exceptions are always made sometimes under the shadow of Terrorism , National security etc



Universal ? I am sorry when did Western Values become Universal ? Do I have to remind you how many ME countries were destroyed just because they were not Democracies ? You can not hold on to some values and call them universal . And those Human rights you are talking about are all present in China, heck even Russians will come and tell you their countries have all these basic Human rights, its just you will ignore them because of your own convenience ,and it goes against your Liberal Ideas . At least accept that West Hate Communism not because of them not providing Basic Human right but because west see Communists as rivals .



As I said , Would you Allow Australia to be ruled by a Islam Law ? Or Hindu Law ? Chinese People support Communism and that is what they chose , who are you say lets topple their country and kill millions in Process ? May I ask who gave you the right to decide how people will live or what kinda system they would want to live under ?



evil is everywhere, For detainees of Abu Gharib Americans are the Ultimate Evil , For Israel Islam and Iran is pure Evil , For many Muslims West is Pure evil , for Indians Pakistan is pure evil , and so on .. What you say above about toppling a country with a billion + people is Indeed PURE EVIL .
I am no Fan of Communism or what China is doing with Uhigurs , but I will not single out them how they treat Muslims, for decades same west ignore the pleads of Kashmir and Palestine , while people were put in Prisons , mass rape, Mass murder , forced occupation .. I will wait when my Govt will raise this issue Officially with China, Plus I don't understand countries who themselves treating Muslims in worse way Possible suddenly show love for Muslims in China ? Aren't we all ( Muslims ) Evil ? As per Donald Trump he thinks Islam Hates US, he bans Muslims Entering US , France has a history of Killing hundreds of Thousands of Muslims in Algeria , That NZ mosque shooter was from your Country and gets no Punishment but rather hailed for what he did ..
Please spare us this hypocrisy . Come out as honest that you are spreading this only to Hurt China because they are doing better for their country than many others .


he is a false flagger RSS hindu

Thanks for sharing, i hope this thread wont be closed aswell, its a humanitarian tragedy happening in Xinjian and everybody helping in the cover up is also responsible for the tragedy.

Leaving the fake news aside, first take care your own humanitarian tragedy in your own soil, all the Kurds and Armenians that got genocided, let alone your blatant invasion of another sovereignty country

Beijing(CNN)Uyghur poet Aziz Isa Elkun fled China's far western Xinjiang region nearly 30 years ago.

He's not welcome in the country. He can't even phone his mother. She said it was better if he didn't, because every time he did, police would show up at her door.

So, when Elkun's father died in 2017, there was no way he could go back to China for the burial. To be closer to his family, he would view his father's grave on Google Earth.

"I know exactly where his tomb is," Elkun told CNN in his north London home. "When I was a kid we would go there, pray at the mosque, visit our relatives. The entire community was connected to that graveyard."

He "visited" his father like this for nearly two years. But in June, something changed. The satellite photo on Google had been updated and the graveyard that used to be there was now nothing more than a flattened, empty field.

"I had no idea what happened," said Elkun. "I was completely in shock."


Cemeteries destroyed


Elkun's story is not unique.

China appears to have been destroying traditional Uyghur cemeteries for several years as part of what critics describe as a broader, coordinated campaign to control Islamic beliefsand Muslim minority groups within its borders.

In a months' long investigation, working with sources in the Uyghur community and analyzing hundreds of satellite images, CNN has found more than 100 cemeteries that have been destroyed, most in just the last two years. This reporting was backed up by dozens of official Chinese government notices announcing the "relocation" of cemeteries.

The destruction of Uyghur cemeteries was first reported in October by French news agency AFP and satellite imagery analysts Earthrise Alliance. They found at least 45 cemeteries had been destroyed since 2014.

AFP reporters visited several sites of destroyed cemeteries. In some, they found several bones that scientists later confirmed from photos were human remains.


CNN has identified more than 60 other gravesites that are no longer there, by cross-checking sites known to the Uyghur community abroad with satellite images taken over a number of years.

In response to CNN's request for comment, the Chinese government didn't deny the cemetery destruction.

A spokesperson with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said in a statement in part, "Governments...in Xinjiang fully respect and guarantee the freedom of all ethnic groups... to choose cemeteries, and funeral and burial methods."


One official notice announcing the "relocation" of a cemetery in western Aksu City said it needed to be moved "to meet the demand of city planning and promote construction."

CNN shared before and after images with five experts from Canada, the United States and Australia with experience in Uyghur culture or satellite imagery. They included Rian Thum, a respected historian who uses satellite imagery as part of his research into Islam in China.


Thum confirmed the majority of the satellite images shared with him were undoubtedly destroyed cemeteries. The other four experts verified the rest of the sites.

"It is a phenomenon that stretches right across the region of Xinjiang," said Thum.

At a press conference on December 16, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said that citizens' freedom of religious belief is strongly protected in Xinjiang and that local people endorsed the Chinese government's measures to "fight terrorism and maintain stability."


Human rights crisis


China is under intense and unwelcome international scrutiny after the release of documents that appear to confirm that it is deliberately trying to alter the Uyghur people to be more like the wider mandarin-speaking Han Chinese population.

The US State Department has said up to two million people from Muslim ethnic minorities, including Uyghurs, have been held in a massive network of detention camps since 2017.

China's government has consistently denied it is committing human rights abuses. It says the camps are voluntary vocational training centers, designed to stamp out religious extremism that has led to terrorist attacks.

In July, China's Xinjiang Autonomous Region Chairman Shohrat Zakir described the camps as "vocational training centers."

"They are not concentration camps as called by some people," he said. "People arrive and leave constantly ... Most have already gone back to society."


But leaked documents released by international media in November detailed a co-ordinated program of "ideological" re-education in heavily fortified detention centers, undermining Beijing's narrative.

It isn't the first evidence of a coordinated campaign against Uyghur citizens. Multiple former detainees have told CNN they were tortured inside the camps and forced to pledge loyalty to China's Communist Party.

Leaked video earlier this year showed prisoners being led from a train, while under heavy guard, blindfolded and shackled.

Outside the camps, it appears the government is trying to erase key elements of Uyghur culture.

More than a million Chinese public servants have been sent to stay with Uyghur families to ensure that they acted sufficiently patriotically. Satellite imagery and media reports suggest mosques have been destroyed across the region.

"This is absolutely a massive effort to eradicate Uyghur culture as we know it and replace it with a Chinese communist party approved culture," said Thum.

At a press conference on December 16, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said that citizens' freedom of religious belief is strongly protected in Xinjiang and that local people endorsed the Chinese government's measures to "fight terrorism and maintain stability."


Gathering places


Cemeteries are important in every culture, but perhaps more so in Uyghur culture. Cemeteries are central to village life, a place to meet and connect one generation to the last.

"It's akin for an American to see Arlington cemetery razed and the tomb of the unknown soldier dug up and paved over," said Thum.

"People would come to a shrine or cemetery from all over the Uyghur region for the annual pilgrimage festival... People pray for health and blessings, meet neighbors, share communal feasts and shop at carnival-like markets."

Experts and activists said cemeteries that had existed for hundreds of years were wiped out in a matter of months.

According to Uyghur activists and documents,the Sultanim Cemetery in the center of southwestern Hotan had existed in one form or another for more than 1,000 years, and was one of the most spiritually significant resting places in the city.

According to satellite images, it was completely flattened by April 2019.

Some cemeteries were redeveloped quickly with seeming disregard for the spiritual places they once were, the investigation by AFP showed, paved over and seeded with modern buildings.

Part of the Sultanim Cemetery appears to now be a parking lot.

CNN also found multiple public documents online confirming cemetery relocation in several different cities.

The May 2017 notice gave relatives just over two weeks to come and register their loved ones' graves before the removal and relocation work started. "Those graves that have not been registered within the date will be seen as unclaimed graves," the notice said.

What happened to the unclaimed graves was not mentioned.

Other official reasons for the destruction include wanting to build "civilized" cemeteries to "promote cultural and ideological progress."


'Cultural genocide'


Aziz Isa Elkun doesn't know what happened to his father's remains.

Contacting his remaining family in Xinjiang, he believes, is too dangerous. For those living in the region, contact with the outside world often brings increased police scrutiny.

Amnesty International has reported that those who take calls from abroad are sometimes detained by authorities. Elkun himself is terrified that his 78-year-old mother, who he believes is not in great health, could be swept up in the dragnet by his actions.

He even fears that speaking to the international media could have negative effects for his family inside the country. But Elkun said he believes has no choice but to speak out, calling what is going on in Xinjiang a "cultural genocide."

"We cannot live with (the government) together anymore, they've crossed too many red lines," he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/asia/xinjiang-uyghur-graveyards-china-intl-hnk/index.html

Yes, yes, yes, Sadam has weapons of mass destruction, that we should invade this sovereign country, or else everybody else in neighborhood will get nuclear bombed.

What? millions of innocent civilian muslims got killed in the process? Well, I don't care. I don't give a shit about them or Palestinian Muslims, or Kurds Muslims get genocided, or Indian Muslims, or Kashmir Muslims, or any other Muslims,

I only care for the Muslims in China
 
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This report is essentially coming from AFP, and then UK sources like Guardian and others ; not CNN. These satellite photos have not just appeared today, they have been under discussion for months. But CNN is reporting now.

If the AFP is making false news, who is telling only the truth ? Xinhua?

There is also news content based on evidence, not claims. Is there any fake satellite photos? The purpose of which this news used for is one thing; but whether this cultural destruction is real or not , another matter.
 
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It is entirely possible to read a news piece and be able by doing a cross-reference to remove "color" from the facts themselves. Disregarding the whole due to conceived innate source bias is not a good way to consume media in general in my honest opinion.

For a quick example in attribution. The linked AFP investigative piece about the removal of cemeteries was re-hosted in SCMP, after the Alibaba acquisition. This should tell you that a) The story is not a fabrication and b) That Chinese officials are confirming it. The "color" in the story enters when you start assuming the reason for so many relocations. At that point, you can use the source as a weighted factor to ascertain the veracity of any politically motivated conclusions about the facts at hand.

This doesn't always work, but it is far better than a priori disputing something on a political bias principle.



So what the Chinese are doing is worst than the Americans killing over 10 million Muslims globally since August 1990?
 
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So what the Chinese are doing is worst than the Americans killing over 10 million Muslims globally since August 1990?

Yes, yes, yes, Sadam has weapons of mass destruction, that we should invade this sovereign country, or else everybody else in neighborhood will get nuclear bombed.

What? millions of innocent civilian muslims got killed in the process and utter chaos ensued? Well, I don't care. I don't give a shit about them or Palestinian Muslims murdered daily by beloved Jews, or Kurds Muslims get genocided, or Indian Muslims, or Kashmir Muslims, or any other Muslims,

I only care for the Muslims in China who happen to live in peace and has a prosperous life.
 
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It is entirely possible to read a news piece and be able by doing a cross-reference to remove "color" from the facts themselves. Disregarding the whole due to conceived innate source bias is not a good way to consume media in general in my honest opinion.

For a quick example in attribution. The linked AFP investigative piece about the removal of cemeteries was re-hosted in SCMP, after the Alibaba acquisition. This should tell you that a) The story is not a fabrication and b) That Chinese officials are confirming it. The "color" in the story enters when you start assuming the reason for so many relocations. At that point, you can use the source as a weighted factor to ascertain the veracity of any politically motivated conclusions about the facts at hand.

This doesn't always work, but it is far better than a priori disputing something on a political bias principle.




Just confirms that some graveyards were cleared. Thank goodness they weren't Americans who have to clear out at least 10 million graves of Muslims they have killed since August 1990.
 
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This report is essentially coming from AFP, and then UK sources like Guardian and others ; not CNN. These satellite photos have not just appeared today, they have been under discussion for months. But CNN is reporting now.

If the AFP is making false news, who is telling only the truth ? Xinhua?

There is also news content based on evidence, not claims. Is there any fake satellite photos? The purpose of which this news used for is one thing; but whether this cultural destruction is real or not , another matter.

AFP or CNN, or New York Times, they are same thing, mainstream media

Donald Trump rightfully calls them FAKE NEWS
 
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Donald Trump rightfully calls them FAKE NEWS

I know that this is getting off-topic, but I'm intrigued. Do you consider Donald Trump as a reliable source with regards to fact checking?
 
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I know that this is getting off-topic, but I'm intrigued. Do you consider Donald Trump as a reliable source as regards to fact checking?

No, but western mainstream media are just like Donald Trump, both sides of same coin
 
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AFP or CNN, or New York Times, they are same thing, mainstream media

Donald Trump rightfully calls them FAKE NEWS
mf, Personally, I have always supported China's territorial integrity. Therefore, the reason I am involved in these issues is not for such a purpose.

However, all the arguments developed mainly by the Chinese team in the PDF begin with "what about you". Never mind the allegations, but there's plenty of evidence. Instead of responding to these, you start to attack the flags of members which are just expressing only personal opinions.

That doesn't make a good impression.
 
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No, but western mainstream media are just like Donald Trump, both sides of same coin

So, essentially the argument falls flat, doesn't it? (using a liar to prove a liar a liar). If you think about this man, it should remind you of the legendary "А у вас негров линчуют" soviet catchphrase. Ironically enough, said phrase took on a fresh meaning during Trumps' presidency too. :woot:

Sorry for going off-topic, I'll stop now. Thanks for the insight.
 
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