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Indian Navy plans to buy three more new Talwar class frigates from Russia through Reliance Defense, which was earlier planned for Russian Navy, those three ships are almost completed without having the engine/power plant, due to the Ukrainian issue, they denied to supply the Zorya gas turbine engines to Russia, So Russia has no plans either scrap the Ships or transfer to Friendly country's who maintain peace with both Russia and Ukraine, Earlier Russia openly offered the Ships to India, however Navy plans for future induction with P 17 A project.
The Indian Private player Reliance defense, plans to buy the Ships from Russia and Engines from Ukraine to integrate both in his own shipyard Pipavav Ship building, which is partially owned by Reliance defense, It's believed either India or some other Navy would buy the Ship from Reliance, the price also comes very cheap, because of zero interests from foreign Navy's, Those Russian frigates are much complicated to operate, need huge maintenance costs, however Indian Navy has no problems since it operates six Talwar class frigates, Navy already modernized the Ships for their needs by adding Brahmos and AK 630 missile systems.
Compared to the Older Talwar Frigates, the new frigates comes with vertical launching Shtil Missiles, the older Talwar class comes with arm launching Shtil missiles, which can launch one missile every 10+ seconds only, however the VLS allows multiple missile launch in quick time to engage multiple threats simultaneously, the Talwar class comes with two AK 630 for close defense system, some of the Indian Talwars have two Khastan based CIWS for last line of defense, India already moved or inked a contract with Russia to upgrade all existing Arm based Shtil missiles into Vertical launch mechanism.
The Russian Talwars comes with Klub supersonic anti shipping cruise missiles, which is a drawback, where Navy plans to use the Brahmos missiles in all of it's Navy Ships in coming days, that's the major reason why Navy earlier rejected it, the Klub missiles used by earlier variants of Indian Talwars too, however the same was replaced with Brahmos in last three Talwars, the Ships can fire those anti shipping missile through it's vertical launchers for saturation attacks,




The Frigates major mission is escort other naval vessels and aircraft carrier, so the Frigate could comes with decent anti air capability's and anti submarine capabilities, the Ship has the Shtil and AK 630 for Anti air missions, However it's not considered best in modern battlefield, since the scenario changed with more variety of anti missiles systems, like Long Range Missiles, Short range quick reaction missiles, and CIWS support, India yet to comes in the best category, while the P 15 B class destroyers were comes with such capacities comprising Barak Long range missile, Maitri Short range missile and AK 630 or Phalnx for CIWS support.
The Talwar's anti submarine capability, comes with variety of options, the whole system known as RPK 8, which includes RBU series of Rocket launchers, Talwar uses twin RBU 6000 launchers, each comes with 12 barrels, the Rocket launchers can launch anti submarine rockets which can detonate under the sea, the tested depth is somewhere near to 1000 meters, with having the range of some 4 kilometers, which is a much safer distance to engage a maneuvering Submarine, the same launcher can also drop depth charges triggered with time or depth, The Talwar can also fire heavy 533 mm Torpedo's, each Talwar comes with four launchers,
Talwar comes with main Sonar in the Bow, and also carries towed sonar array's to search submarines from stand off distance, the entire system controlled by one finger with the use of Granit designed Purga fire control system, which gives a ultimate edge to the Talwars class frigates in anti submarine fighting capability, the Ship also can carry and coordinate with Ka 28 anti submarine helicopter, which can increase the range of Ship's ASW capability, the same methods are used in almost all front line Naval destroyers and frigates,
The Indian Navy has a plan to operate three dedicated Carrier Battle Group and four Amphibious assault group by 2030, the vision already set to achieve the Blue water capability, each of the Battle groups comprises three Destroyers, five frigates/corvette along with two or more Nuclear or Diesel electric submarines, along with support ships, the Navy has three Kolkata Class destroyers, four Vizag class Destroyers, and three Delhi class Destroyers, Navy need 12 more Modern Destroyers before 2030, also in Frigates and Corvette's Navy operates and Building some Six P 17 A class, Six plus three Talwar frigates, three Shivalik's and three Brahmaputra's, and four Komarta class corvette's, and Navy need another ten frigates to achieve the goal.
Many sources from Navy quoting that Navy might buy those Ships comes via Reliance, however even if the Navy or government denies the Acquisition, Reliance can sell those ships to foreign countries which gives them high profit, It's a good chance to Navy they might buy those Talwar's.
 
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I think a thread about those ships already exist.
 
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Why is India strengthening its Navy?
every country with large costline wants a good navy to protect its interest.budget and capability to make ships are the deciding factor.if pak had large sums of money to spent on its navy,it would certainly buy and make more bigger ships.india has both and then there is china showing up in indian ocean which is also a big factor for our modernization.
 
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Why is India strengthening its Navy?
It is important for India's economic security for it to protect its sea lines of communication.

Additionally, an enormous amount of the world's trade flows through the IOR and as the dominant power in the IOR India sees itself as the natural protector of this traffic.

pakistan also consider these ships
may be indians are not interested
Russia is in no postion to offer these on a finance agreement.
 
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What are we going to do with 3 CBGs? We are not America that we would deploy carrier fleet in different part of worlds . Not to mention it is damn expensive .
IMHO, Navy should invest money on Andaman. Protect it with multi layered SAMs. Buy more Mig29k.
IMHO, we do not need more than 2 CBGs. Atleast 1 could be active all the time.
 
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What are we going to do with 3 CBGs? We are not America that we would deploy carrier fleet in different part of worlds . Not to mention it is damn expensive .
IMHO, Navy should invest money on Andaman. Protect it with multi layered SAMs. Buy more Mig29k.
IMHO, we do not need more than 2 CBGs. Atleast 1 could be active all the time.
Plan is to deploy one CBG on each side( Eastern naval command and Western naval command) as per our new doctrine and 3 CBGs will ensure that atleast 2 of them will be active at any given time.
And no doubt A&N Islands have their own advantages and they will play a role irrespective of CBGs. Currently they have four aitbases( 1 for airforce, 3 for navy) and atleast 2 of them can handle all types of aircrafts while rest 2 are being upgraded as we speak to do same. We have a planned submarine base there too though this might take some more time for obvious reasons. Plan to deploy SAMs and coastal batteries are there too.
 
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Someone told me that we are waiting for December. This would be announced during the summit, to make it more successful.

Well that is all good at the political level, but shouldn't the work start now and announce it later. This way we are losing time.
 
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If the price is right, then we should buy them

We are already building 7 Frigates and 5 Destroyers under make in India,

It will take 10 years for all of them to enter service
Currently we have 10 Destroyers and 15 Frigates, that's 25 Principle Surface combatants not counting the 3500 Ton Kamorta class heavy corvettes

Our fleet is expected to fall down to 20 or even 19 Principle Surface Combatants by year 2022, when first of P15B and P17A start joining service
That's because Godavari class and Rajput class will start Retiring in year 2016, and their replacements are 7-10 years away

Hence we should acquire additional Talwar class frigates,
They will allow us to retire the Godavari class without fear of losing edge
 
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