More Pakistanis Migrating to Non-English Speaking Rich Industrialized Nations

[waz]

Not exactly- a lot who are leaving may be going without education or funds.. those are where generally the bed repute comes from(not exclusive to Pakistanis)

Yes it is a mix, I can only see the ones who arrive in the UK, they tend to be the above.

 

[VCheng]

Brain drain, it's more than often the folks who have the funds and education to leave. They are needed in the country.

Good point, but people tend to leave only when they cannot find suitable opportunities in their home country.

 

[Abdussamad]

So all your suggestions cost money. Again your answer was typical Pakistani complain about facilities and benefits without paying taxes. Forex earned probably goes to you. If you are paying your fair share of taxes and look yourself in the mirror then no reason to get defensive.

Lower spending doesn't cost money. I definitely don't pay income tax. Why would I if I can avoid it? Most Pakistanis don't pay because there are no consequences for not paying.

Forex earned means I'm an exporter. You people don't see why exporters are valuable in a country like ours?

I disagree with the idea that tax evasion is theft. There are no rules in this world. There is no god and in Pakistan there is no law enforcement. We can do as we please. My moral code is not your moral code so please don't patronize me!

Note that the fact that most of us don't pay income tax doesn't mean we don't pay any tax. Indirect taxes make up the bulk of government revenue and all of us resident Pakistanis pay them. We kinda have no choice in the matter. Why there's even tax on packaged milk because the government would rather make money than improve the health of the people (loose milk is often adulterated and unsafe for human consumption)

 

[Pak_Sher]

Lower spending doesn't cost money. I definitely don't pay income tax. Why would I if I can avoid it? Most Pakistanis don't pay because there are no consequences for not paying.

Forex earned means I'm an exporter. You people don't see why exporters are valuable in a country like ours?

I disagree with the idea that tax evasion is theft. There are no rules in this world. There is no god and in Pakistan there is no law enforcement. We can do as we please. My moral code is not your moral code so please don't patronize me!

Note that the fact that most of us don't pay income tax doesn't mean we don't pay any tax. Indirect taxes make up the bulk of government revenue and all of us resident Pakistanis pay them.

I am overseas Pakistani and share of forex remittances is way past the exports. Again we all have a right to our opinions but suggestions with no financial backing is toothless & a mute point.

 

[Abdussamad]

I am overseas Pakistani and share of forex remittances is way past the exports. Again we all have a right to our opinions but suggestions with no financial backing is toothless & a mute point.

Exports are greater than remittances. Remittances are some $18bn while exports are consistently over $20bn.

I should also like to point out that the money which I've received over the years has been classified as remittances because of the backwardness of the banking system here. The government actually gives banks an incentive to misclassify export proceeds as remittances. They get cash back on the swift fees if it's a remittance.

Furthermore many people send black money out of the country and then send it back as remittances in order to whiten it. What this all means is that official remittances figures are bloated and exports are greater than they appear to be.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

The solution is lower defence spending and higher spending on health, education and law enforcement. Raising more tax revenues to squander on a bloated military's salaries, pensions and the procurement of expensive imported weapons is not the answer.



If this is a dig at me then you are mistaken. I can do as I please because I can afford to because I make good money doing what I do. Second there is no such thing as a sin because there is no god. Essentially you are trying to curtail my freedoms. That's a running theme on these forums and in Pakistani society in general. It's oppression based on ignorance and backwardness.

BTW just so you know I've done more for Pakistan than any of you. I've earned forex for my country and staked a claim in a new digital economy. How many of you can say the same?

Seriously friend.
Why would I take a dig at you ?
I just expressed my views . Heck I don't even have checked who you are . Infact I completely second your post that an uneducated population is of no use.
Dont know why you think I am taking a dig at you..

The solution is lower defence spending and higher spending on health, education and law enforcement. Raising more tax revenues to squander on a bloated military's salaries, pensions and the procurement of expensive imported weapons is not the answer.



If this is a dig at me then you are mistaken. I can do as I please because I can afford to because I make good money doing what I do. Second there is no such thing as a sin because there is no god. Essentially you are trying to curtail my freedoms. That's a running theme on these forums and in Pakistani society in general. It's oppression based on ignorance and backwardness.

BTW just so you know I've done more for Pakistan than any of you. I've earned forex for my country and staked a claim in a new digital economy. How many of you can say the same?

Even the societies that are completely atheistic societies , idleness is the biggest problem. A person is like a headless chicken when idle.
Not everyone is created equal.. People are sheep and they need shepherd .
If you don't guide then they would destroy themselves.

I don't even know about your atheism be for you mention it yourself . So I was just giving my opinion not talking a dig at you.

 

[Vortex]

@Abdussamad @Pak_Sher both of you have valid points.

But the main point is not about how money is spent but how to increase the total income.

Defence budget cannot be lowered because everyone knows what happened on 26/27 feb.

We elected dumb and or i mean corrupt politicians who took care of their pockets instead of country and its awam. But we also had army’s take overs.
So no development planning, no investment in education, no investment in research and development...
So who would want to pay taxe ? Nobody ! Who would want get green card, o settlements visa, or even migrate ? Everyone who had the possibility ! Even by taking loan on the dark market..

But today we have a true sincere leader. We have a very tough situation known to everyone. So what could be done to start the naya Pakistan ?

Of course a could be wrong.

 

[Yaseen1]

It is good for us as our population is high and this will reduce local population number and many people send money back to their family members in Pakistan which helps these family members to come out of poverty

 

[Abdussamad]

Dont know why you think I am taking a dig at you..

You quoted my post so that's why.

Even the societies that are completely atheistic societies , idleness is the biggest problem. A person is like a headless chicken when idle.

Individuals have the freedom to live their lives as they choose. If you don't like it then too bad. If you think life is all about working constantly then that's your perspective. Others might have other ideas about how to spend their lives.

Personally I think this glorification of busy work is one of those things that holds Pakistan back. The emphasis should be on working smarter than working long hours. That means mastering technology!

Not everyone is created equal.. People are sheep and they need shepherd .

Not everyone is a sheep. People need to learn to think for themselves. Also "guidance" in Pakistan means misleading people to serve your own interests. The advice that people offer here is always malicious in nature.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

You quoted my post so that's why.



Individuals have the freedom to live their lives as they choose. If you don't like it then too bad. If you think life is all about working constantly then that's your perspective. Others might have other ideas about how to spend their lives.

Personally I think this glorification of busy work is one of those things that holds Pakistan back. The emphasis should be on working smarter than working long hours. That means mastering technology!



Not everyone is a sheep. People need to learn to think for themselves. Also "guidance" in Pakistan means misleading people to serve your own interests. The advice that people offer here is always malicious in nature.

I qoated your post because I agree with you on that particular point .
Again you are looking my post with a bias .
Look maybe you live in a society that is evolved and developed.
We are not and 22 carore idle population is the biggest problem . Everyone needs a purpose in life . Not everyone can afford the luxury of being anything. And frankly these minions don't have not even evolved that much to think about the things about what they want or what they want to do .
This population is a boon if we have enough jobs but if we don't then this very same population can be used for other purposes .
Some would become religious zealots, other took up arms in the name of religion others took up arms in the name of nationalism etc etc.
Government simply don't have enough resources to start everything and neither they should. They need fdi but again due to the problems created by these huge unchecked population hinders the flow of fdi and also the major reason of conflict.
We have controlled terrorism but not ended it yet and we are unable to shake our image because we are on the wrong side of present super power's ambition and some very bad diplomacy in the past . No in pmln and a anti state agent in the form of hussain haqqni before that .
But one thing is for for sure. People need jobs.

You quoted my post so that's why.



Individuals have the freedom to live their lives as they choose. If you don't like it then too bad. If you think life is all about working constantly then that's your perspective. Others might have other ideas about how to spend their lives.

Personally I think this glorification of busy work is one of those things that holds Pakistan back. The emphasis should be on working smarter than working long hours. That means mastering technology!



Not everyone is a sheep. People need to learn to think for themselves. Also "guidance" in Pakistan means misleading people to serve your own interests. The advice that people offer here is always malicious in nature.

Again you are right.
Pakistanis have become really werid in behaviour. Everyone wants to guide you but actually they are pulling your legs . Half the business such as in Hafeez center or property dealers etc run on lies an pulling each other legs. But again these people are misled by other people for their benefits if the state does not provide them opertunities .
So state has to look .
Population needs to be checked no matter its benefits.

 

[Kabira]

This is only way Pakistan can survive economically. More and more remittances to fund rich importers hunger for $$.

 

[xyxmt]

I wonder why so many Indian are leaving India

 

[RiazHaq]

The Internet has enabled online labor markets where freelancers sell their services globally. Pakistan (8.5%) ranks 4th in the world for online labor after India (24%), Bangladesh (16%) and the United States (12%), according to Online Labor Index. This Index is based on data collected from four of the largest online labour platforms, also known as online freelancing or online outsourcing platforms: Fiverr, Freelancer, Guru, and PeoplePerHour. Most of the customer base for online platforms is located in OECD nations.



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[Goku]

I wonder why so many Indian are leaving India

Better opportunities , better lifestyle , we as a nation have a long way to go. We can't force someone to not leave the country. But plus point is we recieve highest remittances in the world which helps in our forex reserves but negative point is massive brain drain