More Morsi Aides Resign as Egypt Deploys Tanks in Cairo

[Banu Umayyah]

And Saudi is helping with massive cash handouts to brotherhood aka the more polite version of Al Quaida.

Saudi Arabia supports the old regime against MB.

 

[KingMamba]

Again you are using a religious reference to make an argument. It does not matter that you state muslims do not want to change Quranic laws etc, the fact is that Islam does not permit it makes it incompatible with Democracy.

There are some 50 Muslims countries and yet one can't be shown that has a Quran based perfect islamic system, infact after the mythical 4 khalifas there hasn't been one. Thats proof enough that Muslims do not want to change Quranic laws but do not want to follow them too.

You are saying Islam does not permit the changing of the Quran and you are right but that is a fundamental part of the religion and not a part of democratic aspect of the faith. That is why a constitution was made, in order to accommodate the changing aspect of a nation state while the caliph served as a constitutional elected head of state. Now did it stay that way?? The answer is no and the battle of karbala was the de facto turning point of the caliphate from constitutional republic to hereditary monarchy. You are right Muslim countries have not made a perfect Islamic system but the fact remains it is because the leaders of said countries have prevented it themselves. In Islam kings are forbidden, yet you see all the monarchies running about?? They have nothing to do with Islam so obviously they would not want to encompass aspects of Islam that hinder their own power. Now the people themselves are uneducated or brainwashed in the case of the Wahabbis so they do not know any better. BTW the four caliphas are not a myth, their tombs are located in various countries in the middle east and their interactions with outside nations are also recorded by non Muslim sources. However your motives are different here as I can tell. You have a problem with the Quran and think that it is the cause of strive in Muslim countries therefore you think it should be changed and I say it is not the Quran, it is lack of an understanding of the Quran. So now I ask you again which part of the Quran do you have a problem with?? Once you zero in on which particular part, take the answer to any Islamic forum and you will get an appropriate answer.

 

[mdcp]

Americans and israelis want to distrub Mursi govt.
It is good for Mursi that israeli agents are resigning
Egypt judges belong to mubarak regime so they dont want to face justice themselve cuz they covered mubarak for many decade and work like his pupit

 

[notsuperstitious]

You are saying Islam does not permit the changing of the Quran and you are right but that is a fundamental part of the religion and not a part of democratic aspect of the faith. That is why a constitution was made, in order to accommodate the changing aspect of a nation state while the caliph served as a constitutional elected head of state. Now did it stay that way?? The answer is no and the battle of karbala was the de facto turning point of the caliphate from constitutional republic to hereditary monarchy. You are right Muslim countries have not made a perfect Islamic system but the fact remains it is because the leaders of said countries have prevented it themselves. In Islam kings are forbidden, yet you see all the monarchies running about?? They have nothing to do with Islam so obviously they would not want to encompass aspects of Islam that hinder their own power. Now the people themselves are uneducated or brainwashed in the case of the Wahabbis so they do not know any better. BTW the four caliphas are not a myth, their tombs are located in various countries in the middle east and their interactions with outside nations are also recorded by non Muslim sources. However your motives are different here as I can tell. You have a problem with the Quran and think that it is the cause of strive in Muslim countries therefore you think it should be changed and I say it is not the Quran, it is lack of an understanding of the Quran. So now I ask you again which part of the Quran do you have a problem with?? Once you zero in on which particular part, take the answer to any Islamic forum and you will get an appropriate answer.

I'm not saying Quran should be changed

I'm saying its incompatible with democracy as in a democracy humans in majority make laws, thats not possible where quran already has a ruling.

I'm also not saying 4 khalifas did not exist, i'm saying their rule being perfect is a mythical claim. And nothing about that rule was democratic, what say did the persians have for example, and nothing sice for 1400 years has been democratic.

You are free to preach islam and islamic rule, but you are using deception by claiming its democratic that it is not. Thats all.

And don't worry about my intentions, for most islamists anyone who does not buy the perfection of islam has ''bad intentions'', the typical we vs them. That does not stand the scrutiny of reason.

 

[agentny17]

No one wants to chop hands.those punishments are kept for fear so that no one indulges in crime. If u r not thiv u dont hav to worry.
Yestetday night my frends frend was robbed and stabbed. You just ask him wat would he do to that criminal. Who just dont care about a life for just 1000 rs.

Are you trying to convince me that inhumane Corporal Punishment is a good thing ?!! I can't believe you

Americans and israelis want to distrub Mursi govt.
It is good for Mursi that israeli agents are resigning
Egypt judges belong to mubarak regime so they dont want to face justice themselve cuz they covered mubarak for many decade and work like his pupit

Poor Muslim Brotherhood, everybody is against them..

 

[Luffy 500]

These 2 egyptians here are not a good representation of the egyptian political arena and have deep bias. Though I don't mean to intrude, but just saying that 2 ultra liberal people is not a good representation of egypt in a forum. Now having said that may I ask brother @Mahmoud_EGY and @agentny17, is what are their main problem with this constitution. To an outsider like me its obviously clear that its no a full implementation of sharia but a near symbolic representation of Islam just like majority of the muslim countries in the world.

And what type of absolute power are they accusing Mr. Morsi off? No democratic country in your liberal west gives judiciary the right to nullify presidential orders. SO why the whining?

Also it is getting put in a referendum which would be overseen by the intl. community & an overwhelming Egytpian secular media. What are the actual chances of vote rigging really? And isn't this democracy according to liberal west. Morsi is giving U the right to choose your constitution which most muslim countries didn't/ still don't have the privilege off including your model Turkey & indonesia. Isn't this a first in a muslim country? If people choose this referendum then what's the problem considering the fact the seculars act as champions of democracy.

Opposing a move just because U aren't in power & fear losing, isn't democracy but utter hypocrisy.

 

[doublemaster]

Again you are using a religious reference to make an argument. It does not matter that you state muslims do not want to change Quranic laws etc, the fact is that Islam does not permit it makes it incompatible with Democracy.

There are some 50 Muslims countries and yet one can't be shown that has a Quran based perfect islamic system, infact after the mythical 4 khalifas there hasn't been one. Thats proof enough that Muslims do not want to change Quranic laws but do not want to follow them too.



Do you read what you type? None of the civilised people here want the state thet represents us cutting off people's hands because they stole. Thats a permanent punishment for a small crime, is simply unethical, excessive, barbaric and inhuman. Your religion is not the only moral compass, we like to use our own thinking.

Same applies to your thinking tooo. Every one do not want take ur opinion. Besides that Majority of the muslims accept this.
You can keep your own thinking to yourself.

When u are in discussion u better not talk like this.

Highly un-civilized behavior needs this kind of treatment, just to keep peace in society and help civilized people to live peacefully. As i said earlier you need to ask the person who suffered.

Some times one time stealing will make family suffer permanently. So many people might be in trouble/suffer forever. If these incidents are less it is more helpful for normal civilized people. Threat of punishment will just help this.

Result are quite visible, you check number of rapes in saudi and india. how many murders happen in india every day and how many murders + how many murder's death as a penalty happens in saudi. At the end these sever punishment will only save lives.

I want to shoot the killer, says murdered cop's daughter - Oneindia News

Read this recent news. You get some idea. Above girl is civilized and she knows what punishment is needed for her suffering.

 

[doublemaster]

These 2 egyptians here are not a good representation of the egyptian political arena and have deep bias. Though I don't mean to intrude, but just saying that 2 ultra liberal people is not a good representation of egypt in a forum. Now having said that may I ask brother @Mahmoud_EGY and @agentny17, is what are their main problem with this constitution. To an outsider like me its obviously clear that its no a full implementation of sharia but a near symbolic representation of Islam just like majority of the muslim countries in the world.

And what type of absolute power are they accusing Mr. Morsi off? No democratic country in your liberal west gives judiciary the right to nullify presidential orders. SO why the whining?

Also it is getting put in a referendum which would be overseen by the intl. community & an overwhelming Egytpian secular media. What are the actual chances of vote rigging really? And isn't this democracy according to liberal west. Morsi is giving U the right to choose your constitution which most muslim countries didn't/ still don't have the privilege off including your model Turkey & indonesia. Isn't this a first in a muslim country? If people choose this referendum then what's the problem considering the fact the seculars act as champions of democracy.

Opposing a move just because U aren't in power & fear losing, isn't democracy but utter hypocrisy.

Exactly:
Egypt draft explained here..
Amr Darrag on Egypt's 'perfect' constitution - Talk to Al Jazeera - Al Jazeera English

Why should Egyptian ignore majority and serve only liberals? If liberals think that numbers are in their side...they can vote.
Those idiots are still saying that Morsi sweeped power. But they dont say that draft constitution will limit his power.
They did not protest when Mubarak judges dissolved parliament elected by people. they did not want democracy. But now they want democracy.

 

[PakShah]

CAIRO — Resignations rocked the government of President Mohamed Morsi on Thursday as tanks from the special presidential guard took up positions around his palace and the state television headquarters after a night of street fighting between his Islamist supporters and their secular opponents that left at least 6 dead and 450 wounded.

The director of state broadcasting resigned Thursday, as did Rafik Habib, a Christian who was the vice president of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party and the party’s favorite example of its commitment to tolerance and pluralism. Their departures followed an announcement by Zaghoul el-Balshi, the new general secretary of the commission overseeing a planned constitutional referendum, that he was quitting. “I will not participate in a referendum that spilled Egyptian blood,” he said in a television interview during the clashes late Wednesday night.

With the resignations on Thursday, nine Morsi administration officials have quit in protest in recent days. In a day of tension and uncertainty unlike any other since the revolt that overthrew Hosni Mubarak nearly two years ago, state media reported that Mr. Morsi, of the Muslim Brotherhood’s political arm, was meeting with his top advisers and would deliver a public address in response to the clashes. The top scholar of Al Azhar, the center of Sunni Muslim learning that is considered Egypt’s chief moral authority, urged both sides to pull back from violence and seek “rational dialogue.”

The scale of the violence around the palace has raised the first doubts about Mr. Morsi’s effort to hold a public referendum on Dec. 15 to vote on a draft constitution approved by his Islamist allies over the objections of his secular opposition and the Coptic Christian Church.

About 1 p.m. Thursday, hundreds of his supporters who had camped outside his palace to defend it — many waking up with bandaged heads from wounds sustained from volleys of rocks and the blows of makeshift clubs the previous night — abruptly began to pull out of their encampment in unison, a development that suggested that their organizers in the Muslim Brotherhood had ordered a withdrawal. It took place just moments after several Brotherhood members camped there had vowed to stay put until the referendum, set for Dec. 15.

The Egyptian military, which seized power from Mr. Mubarak in February 2011, saying it was stepping in to protect the legitimate demands of the public, stayed silent after a statement Wednesday that it would not intervene in a dispute between political factions. The presidential guard that deployed Thursday is a separate unit that reports directly to the president.

Wednesday night’s battle was the worst clash between political factions here since the days of President Gamal Abdel Nasser’s military coup six decades ago, and Egyptians across the political spectrum responded with shock and dismay.

Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, a popular former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood who ran for president as a liberal Islamist and has stayed on the sidelines of the escalating conflict between Mr. Morsi and his secular opponents, slammed the president and the Brotherhood for calling on their civilian supporters to defend the palace with force rather than relying the institutions of law enforcement.

“The palace is not a private property to the Muslim Brotherhood or Dr. Morsi; it belongs to us, all Egyptians,” Mr. Aboul Fotouh said in a televised news conference. He was flanked by a Morsi adviser who had just resigned and by a well-known revolutionary poet who is the son of Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, perhaps the most influential religious scholar in the Sunni Muslim world and a spiritual guru to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Wednesday night’s clashes followed two weeks of sporadic violence around the country that erupted after Mr. Morsi, a former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood movement, seized temporary powers beyond the review of any court, removing the last check on his authority until ratification of the new constitution.

Mr. Morsi has said he needed the expanded powers to block a conspiracy by corrupt businessmen, Mubarak-appointed judges and opposition leaders to thwart Egypt’s transition to a constitutional democracy. Some opponents, Mr. Morsi’s advisers say, would sacrifice democracy to stop the Islamists from winning elections.

Mr. Morsi’s secular critics have accused Mr. Morsi and the Islamists of seeking to establish a new dictatorship, in part by ramming through a rushed constitution that they say could ultimately give new power over society to Muslim scholars and Islamists groups. And each side’s actions have confirmed the other’s fears.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/world/middleeast/egypt-islamists-secular-opponents-clashes.html

Deploying TANKS against your OWN people! ... crazy mullah backers

lol funny Indian.

Buzz off. Its Egypt's internal affairs.

I know MANY, MANY Egyptians who support the Muslim Brotherhood ardently.

Thats why Morsi won. lol.

The Islamic wave sweeping over the Islamic world is unstoppable now.

Learn to live with it. Muslims want Sharia law. We want Allah's laws and nothing else!

 

[JayAtl]

lol funny Indian.

Buzz off. Its Egypt's internal affairs.

I know MANY, MANY Egyptians who support the Muslim Brotherhood ardently.

Thats why Morsi won. lol.

The Islamic wave sweeping over the Islamic world is unstoppable now.

Learn to live with it. Muslims want Sharia law. We want Allah's laws and nothing else!

 

[fobcoder]

Mubarak was a dictator, when people protested against him they were on the right side of history
Morsi is an elected official! if people don't like his policies they can vote him out next time, or have their opposition leaders voice up their concern in a democratic fashion!
No matter what Morsi does, the mubarak era supporters will cause chaos on the streets and then whine about legitimate crackdowns by a democratically elected government!

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Mubarak was a dictator, when people protested against him they were on the right side of history
Morsi is an elected official! if people don't like his policies they can vote him out next time, or have their opposition leaders voice up their concern in a democratic fashion!
No matter what Morsi does, the mubarak era supporters will cause chaos on the streets and then whine about legitimate crackdowns by a democratically elected government!

if these are mubark supporters then he could he was kicked out if he had this numbers

and for the last time this is not about morsi this is about the constitution let him have his 4 years

 

[ephone]

Well, seeing those remarks by those fxxk-up minded certain morsi supporters, a.k.a., muslim brotherhood idiots here, is really beyond comprehension.

Won by election? Well, Hamas also won by election, right? All of Nazis (japs, germany and italy) were all elected, right?

Mubarak? Well, I do not think he is a good man either but at least he kept Epgyt stable. He kept all the faiths there living peacefully. Now those muslim thugs try every day to intimidate those from other faiths, or atheists there. They even want to put those barbaric idiotic sharia "laws" into the constitutions??? What the heck do they think they are???

You want to believe your allah or whatsoever, it is your own business. You have no right to impose your belief into others. Let alone by thuggish intimidation and criminal activities.

Mubarak was just too lenient and did not kill off those fxxk-up muslim brotherhood thugs and their terrorist associates. I hope the military can finish the job and dump all of those suckers into the ocean for sharks.